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Failed to make encryption work on a barebone ATMEGA328P

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  • EncryptE Encrypt

    @Anticimex: I have just found that there is an EESAVE fuse on the ATMEGA328P which prevents the EEPROM from being erased whenever a new sketch is pushed to the microcontroller.

    It seems to be the root cause of the issue since I've found references in other posts of the MySensors forum to that problem.

    I'll test that now and let you know.

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    Anticimex
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    wrote on last edited by
    #32

    @encrypt ah, that would indeed explain a lot and especially the tampered indication.
    If true, I'll see if I can add that to the troubleshooting section to the documentation.
    I was not aware of this fuse.

    Do you feel secure today? No? Start requiring some signatures and feel better tomorrow ;)

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      wrote on last edited by Encrypt
      #33

      IT WORKS @Anticimex !!! :the_horns:

      The issue was indeed the EESAVE fuse not set, which caused the EEPROM to be erased after each sketch upload.

      Here is my modified boards.txt file:

      ##############################################################
      
      atmega328bb.name=ATmega328 on a breadboard (8 MHz internal clock)
      
      atmega328bb.upload.protocol=arduino
      atmega328bb.upload.maximum_size=30720
      atmega328bb.upload.speed=57600
      
      atmega328bb.bootloader.low_fuses=0xE2
      atmega328bb.bootloader.high_fuses=0xD2
      atmega328bb.bootloader.extended_fuses=0x05
      
      atmega328bb.bootloader.file=atmega/ATmegaBOOT_168_atmega328_pro_8MHz.hex
      atmega328bb.bootloader.unlock_bits=0x3F
      atmega328bb.bootloader.lock_bits=0x0F
      
      atmega328bb.build.board=AVR_ATMEGA328BB
      atmega328bb.build.mcu=atmega328p
      atmega328bb.build.f_cpu=8000000L
      atmega328bb.build.core=arduino:arduino
      atmega328bb.build.variant=arduino:standard
      
      
      atmega328bb.bootloader.tool=arduino:avrdude
      atmega328bb.upload.tool=arduino:avrdude
      

      So, basically, for people coming here in the future:
      Follow the tutorial https://www.arduino.cc/en/Tutorial/ArduinoToBreadboard to flash the bootloader of your ATMEGA328P but replace the given boards.txt file (in the breadboard-1-6-x.zip archive) by the one above.

      A useful link to calculate the fuses values: http://www.engbedded.com/fusecalc/

      Thanks for your help @Anticimex, @mfalkvidd and @kimot :)

      Come have fun with me on IRC: #mysensors on Libera.chat :)

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      • EncryptE Encrypt

        IT WORKS @Anticimex !!! :the_horns:

        The issue was indeed the EESAVE fuse not set, which caused the EEPROM to be erased after each sketch upload.

        Here is my modified boards.txt file:

        ##############################################################
        
        atmega328bb.name=ATmega328 on a breadboard (8 MHz internal clock)
        
        atmega328bb.upload.protocol=arduino
        atmega328bb.upload.maximum_size=30720
        atmega328bb.upload.speed=57600
        
        atmega328bb.bootloader.low_fuses=0xE2
        atmega328bb.bootloader.high_fuses=0xD2
        atmega328bb.bootloader.extended_fuses=0x05
        
        atmega328bb.bootloader.file=atmega/ATmegaBOOT_168_atmega328_pro_8MHz.hex
        atmega328bb.bootloader.unlock_bits=0x3F
        atmega328bb.bootloader.lock_bits=0x0F
        
        atmega328bb.build.board=AVR_ATMEGA328BB
        atmega328bb.build.mcu=atmega328p
        atmega328bb.build.f_cpu=8000000L
        atmega328bb.build.core=arduino:arduino
        atmega328bb.build.variant=arduino:standard
        
        
        atmega328bb.bootloader.tool=arduino:avrdude
        atmega328bb.upload.tool=arduino:avrdude
        

        So, basically, for people coming here in the future:
        Follow the tutorial https://www.arduino.cc/en/Tutorial/ArduinoToBreadboard to flash the bootloader of your ATMEGA328P but replace the given boards.txt file (in the breadboard-1-6-x.zip archive) by the one above.

        A useful link to calculate the fuses values: http://www.engbedded.com/fusecalc/

        Thanks for your help @Anticimex, @mfalkvidd and @kimot :)

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        Anticimex
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        #34

        @encrypt great news! Thanks for joining the community and for your troubleshooting. This information will be compiled into the docs for future reference. Happy signing :spock-hand:

        Do you feel secure today? No? Start requiring some signatures and feel better tomorrow ;)

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        • AnticimexA Anticimex

          @encrypt great news! Thanks for joining the community and for your troubleshooting. This information will be compiled into the docs for future reference. Happy signing :spock-hand:

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          wrote on last edited by tekka
          #35

          @anticimex @Encrypt That's a bit odd and certainly specific to the bootloader you're using (ATmegaBoot): AVRdude does (at least with optiboot) a page erase (vs. chip erase where EESAVE has an effect). I do not have the EESAVE fuse bit set and no issues with erased eeprom when loading a new sketch, also see below:

          Arduino Uno with optiboot:

          uno.bootloader.tool=avrdude
          uno.bootloader.low_fuses=0xFF
          uno.bootloader.high_fuses=0xDE
          uno.bootloader.extended_fuses=0xFD
          uno.bootloader.unlock_bits=0x3F
          uno.bootloader.lock_bits=0x0F
          uno.bootloader.file=optiboot/optiboot_atmega328.hex
          

          High fuse (0xDE) does not enable EESAVE.

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            wrote on last edited by Encrypt
            #36

            Hello @tekka and thank you for your remarks!

            Your input makes questions come to my mind:

            1. What is the difference between Optiboot and the bootloader given in the Arduino tutorial? I am quite new to the world of microcontrollers and I don't know much for the moment, I simply use what is working, eh eh :P

            2. The configuration you gave here doesn't use the internal 8MHz clock, therefore it doesn't fit my needs here, eh eh. Could I just use the "regular" Arduino Uno bootloader and set the proper fuses values in the boards.txt file to use the internal 8MHz clock?

            3. You are saying that it's actually optiboot which does the page erase and not avrdude? I believed there the "chip erase" instruction is the only instruction possible to erase the flash, handled by avrdude. And according to the ATMEGA328P datasheet (page 297), I have understood that any "chip erase" instruction will also erase the EEPROM if the EESAVE fuse isn't set. That operation seems to be mandatory too as they say: « A Chip Erase must be performed before the Flash and/or EEPROM are reprogrammed ». So, how does Optiboot / avrdude handle that in such a configuration?

            Finally, it seems there is no tutorial in the MySensors documentation explaining how to build a project using a standalone ATMEGA328P and which bootloader to choose (there are a few discussions though). It could be worth creating a tutorial / post about that and I could contribute to it of course :)

            Come have fun with me on IRC: #mysensors on Libera.chat :)

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            • EncryptE Encrypt

              Hello @tekka and thank you for your remarks!

              Your input makes questions come to my mind:

              1. What is the difference between Optiboot and the bootloader given in the Arduino tutorial? I am quite new to the world of microcontrollers and I don't know much for the moment, I simply use what is working, eh eh :P

              2. The configuration you gave here doesn't use the internal 8MHz clock, therefore it doesn't fit my needs here, eh eh. Could I just use the "regular" Arduino Uno bootloader and set the proper fuses values in the boards.txt file to use the internal 8MHz clock?

              3. You are saying that it's actually optiboot which does the page erase and not avrdude? I believed there the "chip erase" instruction is the only instruction possible to erase the flash, handled by avrdude. And according to the ATMEGA328P datasheet (page 297), I have understood that any "chip erase" instruction will also erase the EEPROM if the EESAVE fuse isn't set. That operation seems to be mandatory too as they say: « A Chip Erase must be performed before the Flash and/or EEPROM are reprogrammed ». So, how does Optiboot / avrdude handle that in such a configuration?

              Finally, it seems there is no tutorial in the MySensors documentation explaining how to build a project using a standalone ATMEGA328P and which bootloader to choose (there are a few discussions though). It could be worth creating a tutorial / post about that and I could contribute to it of course :)

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              wrote on last edited by tekka
              #37

              @encrypt I may have an idea what's going on here: Are you programming a new sketch to your barebone AT328p via ArduinoISP or any other means of serial (=SPI) programming? Programming via bootloader (ATmegaboot or optiboot) requires a FTDI adapter and will only do page erases while leaving the eeprom untouched.

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                wrote on last edited by Encrypt
                #38

                Hi @tekka!

                I'm indeed programming the ATMEGA328P using an Arduino Uno transformed as ISP with the ArduinoISP sketch.

                I've wired the circuit exactly as shown on the first picture of the tutorial here: https://www.arduino.cc/en/Tutorial/ArduinoToBreadboard. I used the same circuit to burn the bootloader and to upload my sketches.

                Your remark makes me wonder: do I really need a bootloader at the end?

                Come have fun with me on IRC: #mysensors on Libera.chat :)

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                • EncryptE Encrypt

                  Hi @tekka!

                  I'm indeed programming the ATMEGA328P using an Arduino Uno transformed as ISP with the ArduinoISP sketch.

                  I've wired the circuit exactly as shown on the first picture of the tutorial here: https://www.arduino.cc/en/Tutorial/ArduinoToBreadboard. I used the same circuit to burn the bootloader and to upload my sketches.

                  Your remark makes me wonder: do I really need a bootloader at the end?

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                  wrote on last edited by
                  #39

                  @encrypt Ok, this explains your issue: programming via ISP will do a chip erase and hence the EESAVE fuse setting is critical for e2p persistance. The most common use case is programming via serial bootloader (e.g. optiboot, atmegaboot, etc.) which only does page erases and leaves the rest untouched. To answer your question: If you're using an ISP programmer you do not need a bootloader.

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                    wrote on last edited by mfalkvidd
                    #40

                    I thought the bootloader is overwritten when using ISP? So "you don't need a bootlader" is slightly incorrect, you can not have a bootloader when using isp?

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                    • mfalkviddM mfalkvidd

                      I thought the bootloader is overwritten when using ISP? So "you don't need a bootlader" is slightly incorrect, you can not have a bootloader when using isp?

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                      wrote on last edited by tekka
                      #41

                      @mfalkvidd The Arduino builder generates two .hex files, one of which contains the bootloader as specified in boards.txt. Depending on the flashing settings you may burn the sketch only or the sketch + bootloader, however, the bootloader is not needed for ISP programming.

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                      • tekkaT tekka

                        @mfalkvidd The Arduino builder generates two .hex files, one of which contains the bootloader as specified in boards.txt. Depending on the flashing settings you may burn the sketch only or the sketch + bootloader, however, the bootloader is not needed for ISP programming.

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                        wrote on last edited by
                        #42

                        @tekka I see. Thanks for explaining.

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