Modifying IKEA Tradfri Sensor (E1525) timeout help wanted

electrik

Yes, that is what I expected. The voltage level is read by the MCU and used to set options in the sensor. I don't think you can change anything with it. You could try to connect the pin that goes to the MCU, to ground. But no success guaranteed...

bob21

I can try - is there a possibility that I could fry it doing that?

electrik

if you don't connect VDD to GND, you won't. So you should measure that first.

bob21

Gotcha. So we know that pin 4 on the E93196 is VDD, so if I get continuity from pin 4 on the E93196 to either the potentiometer leg or the MCU pin that I am going to be connecting it to, then it's a no go?

bob21

Ok, this could be a no go.

Looks like I can get some continuity between these points: https://imgur.com/a/PKPOJdk

So that would be connecting connecting VDD to ground?

But, with a DMM set to 200k, I get a resistance reading of 66.7 between these points: https://imgur.com/a/4K0NPbP because of R12....

Could this be the resistance that is putting that to 60 seconds? Could I connect those 2 green points? Or remove that Resistor and bridge with solder?

electrik

Can you measure the voltage on the pin of the MCU that is connected to the potmeter when it is in the lowest position?

bob21

Sure, just to confirm though (because I've not measured anything like this before), I put one probe on the MCU pin and the other to ground? Ie. Battery negative? Sorry if this seems like a really dumb question :D

electrik

Yes like that. And make sure the meter is on voltage reading, and the plugs are also in the voltage measuring connections. So not in the current measuring ones

bob21

I think I may have screwed up one of the earlier measurements. I am using a better meter now, and I got this: https://imgur.com/a/AQk22sR

The Blue pin, which I originally said was connected to the VDD pin appears to actually be connected to the ground shield over the chip - I got a reading of zero. The Red pin, I got a reading of 3V (there abouts) and this is the one connected to the VDD pin on the E93196. Turning the potentiometer did not change the voltage on this.

I remeasured the resistance from the ground leg of the potmeter to top green dot is 77K, bottom green dot is zero when at 1 minute, both are at 77K when at 15 minutes

electrik

So is the third leg of the potentiometer still connected to the MCU input on? And what do you measure there? The voltage should change of you change the position

bob21

Voltages:

All 3 potmeter legs to MCU (blue): 2.9V - Does not change when potmeter moved
All 3 potmeter legs to MCU (red): ~0.2mV-0.3mV - Does not change when potmeter moved

Resistance:

Top green on potmeter to MCU (red): 67K (turning dial does not change)
Bottom green dot on potmeter to MCU (red): 67K at max time, 110K at minimum time
Unmarked leg to MCU (red): 110K and does not change when potmeter moved

electrik

It's confusing me.
The potmeter has three legs. One is positive supply (VDD probably), one is ground and the other one should change voltage of you move the dial. You should measure between ground and the point you want to measure.

Edit
Now you should find out where this third leg is going to

bob21

Yeah sorry about that. My inexperience is probably exacerbating things :grimacing: thank you for putting up with me ;)

I am looking at the potmeter, and I think I can fairly say the legs are like this: https://imgur.com/a/1bTBnUo

So with one probe on the variable leg, where to I test with the other probe?

It looks like the variable leg first goes to TP5_1, then to TP5_2, then to the MCU, but it is not clear which pin: https://imgur.com/a/hbgOOBU

electrik

@bob21 said in Modifying IKEA Tradfri Sensor (E1525) timeout help wanted:

So with one probe on the variable leg, where to I test with the other probe?

Always to ground

@bob21 said in Modifying IKEA Tradfri Sensor (E1525) timeout help wanted:

It looks like the variable leg first goes to TP5_1, then to TP5_2, then to the MCU, but it is not clear which pin: https://imgur.com/a/hbgOOBU

With the continuity function of your multimeter (when it beeps if you short the probes) you can trace where it goes to.

bob21

My meter doesn't beep, but I get a reading of 0.1 between TP5_2 and the second pin from the right, this seems to be the lowest reading by far: https://imgur.com/a/RLFyOBP is this a sign that it is connected here?

But, when I set the potmeter to minimum the Voltage = 2.95, and this doesn't change... the potmeter set to max is still 2.95V... :disappointed:

electrik

So, do you measure a voltage change on any of the pins of the potmeter when you change it?
And what is the type of the MCU?

bob21

According to the pics I found, the MCU is a Silicon Labs Mighty Gecko EFR32MG1P132GI.

With 1 probe to ground I tested:

Pos leg with dial at 1 minute (min): 2.97V
Pos leg with dial at 15 mins (max): 2.97V
Neg leg with dial at 1 minute (min): 2.96V
Neg leg with dial at 15 mins (max): 2.95V
Variable leg with dial at 1 minute (min): 2.96V
Variable leg with dial at 15 mins (max): 2.97V

Seems like a very small change.. is this enough of a change to be useful?

electrik

I'm out of ideas, I'm giving up.
You could try to tie the variable pin to ground but it could damage your sensor

bob21

Ok, no worries. I'd like to thank you for spending your time on this :)

peter_s

Hello everyone!

Based on the quite useful reverse engineered schematic at https://hackaday.io/project/174308-tradfri-pir-motion-sensor-hacking the measurements were somewhat sabotaged by the 2N7002 (see Connors comment "enables voltage dividers only when triggered").
the transistor is controlled by the Elmos E931.96 PIR motion controller IC.
The latter is programmable by the IKEA TRÅDFRI ICC-1 module's EFR32MG1P132F256GM32 MCU.
E.g.

2. Blind Time 
Ignores motion after the interrupt output is switched back to 0 
Range: 0.5s... 8s. 
The blind time is [Register Value] *0.5s 
 
3. Programmable pulse counter 
1... 4 pulses with sign change in between 
Amount of pulses = [Register Value] + 1 
 
4. Window time 
For noisy environments 
2s... 8s window 
Window time = [Register Value] * 2s + 2s

https://github.com/basilfx/TRADFRI-Hacking gives a good overview on that.

What is the issue with tose 60s?

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