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    Mike_Lemo
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    Yeah he did I just preformed a local search for that arduino15 on my PC

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      Also If I want to change the UART pins to other pins would it work without errors or If I want to use 2 or more UARTS? same with I2C

      Also what are the debugging options available sins the RS232 is not connected to the MCU like in an arduino how would I set stop points or peek at variables values to see if the code runs as expected?

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        you should follow this schematic design if you want to get this module working.

        0_1500734955886_Schematic-MDBT42Q Demo Board.png

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        @Mike_Lemo said in nRF5 Bluetooth action!:

        you should follow this schematic design if you want to get this module working.

        0_1500734955886_Schematic-MDBT42Q Demo Board.png

        There's a bunch of similar looking schematics in the nRF52832 datasheet for the nRF52832 chip itself, but I'm not sure which of them, if any, is applicable to the Ebyte module. I guess maybe Ebyte needs a demo board schematic like Raytac has. Either that, or we need a schematic of what's on the Ebyte module itself. As it stands, I think maybe there's no enough info with which to move ahead on wiring up the Ebyte module. Am I wrong? Come to think of it, I think some of the other Chinese modules I ordered from Aliexpress may also be similar "mystery" modules. :(

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          Also If I want to change the UART pins to other pins would it work without errors or If I want to use 2 or more UARTS? same with I2C

          Also what are the debugging options available sins the RS232 is not connected to the MCU like in an arduino how would I set stop points or peek at variables values to see if the code runs as expected?

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          @Mike_Lemo said in nRF5 Bluetooth action!:

          Also If I want to change the UART pins to other pins would it work without errors or If I want to use 2 or more UARTS? same with I2C

          The Chip has a lot of periphery on it. You can connect most components to pins. There is only one hardware UART, which can be connected. Please look at the Infocenter The arduino-nrf5 port is limited to things are implemented with arduino-samd by the author. This is the reason I have implemented an extension for hwPinMode() in MySensors.

          Another fine thing is the implementation of Shortcuts and the PPI. You can do a lot without using the CPU.

          @Mike_Lemo said in nRF5 Bluetooth action!:

          Also what are the debugging options available sins the RS232 is not connected to the MCU like in an arduino how would I set stop points or peek at variables values to see if the code runs as expected?

          Debugging depends on your programmer and flashing tool. I think you can start by search for "openocd gdb". OpenOCD is the flashing tool in arduino-nrf5 for all supported programmers.

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            It looks as though raytec does make two modules for the nRF52832 that has a PCB antenna rather than a chip antenna: the MDBT42Q-P and the MDBT-42V-P:
            http://statics3.seeedstudio.com/assets/file/bazaar/product/MDBT42Q-Version_B.pdf
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            The MDBT-42V-P looks nice because of its small size. Anyone know where it can be purchased? All of a sudden, buying a module that comes with a proper datasheet seems appealing.

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              It looks as though raytec does make two modules for the nRF52832 that has a PCB antenna rather than a chip antenna: the MDBT42Q-P and the MDBT-42V-P:
              http://statics3.seeedstudio.com/assets/file/bazaar/product/MDBT42Q-Version_B.pdf
              alt text
              The MDBT-42V-P looks nice because of its small size. Anyone know where it can be purchased? All of a sudden, buying a module that comes with a proper datasheet seems appealing.

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              @NeverDie I had mine from seeed studio

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                @NeverDie I had mine from seeed studio

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                @Mike_Lemo said in nRF5 Bluetooth action!:

                @NeverDie I had mine from seeed studio

                This one? https://www.seeedstudio.com/MDBT42Q-nRF52832-based-BLE-module-p-2736.html

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                  I was just now noticing that Nordic has a very convenient list of third party modules (and their dimensions) that use the Nordic nRF52832 chips: https://www.nordicsemi.com/eng/Products/3rd-Party-Bluetooth-low-energy-Modules

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                    FWIW, I just now sent an email to support@cdebyte.com requesting either a schematic of their E73-2G4M04S module itself or a schematic for a demo circuit, so that I may be certain about adding the appropriate hardware needed to get their module to work. I'll post if I hear anything back from them.

                    By the way, in the case of Raytac, they even have their own demo board: https://raytac.blog/2017/01/24/how-to-use-raytac-mdbt42q-nordic-nrf52832-demo-board/

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                      I saw this in the MDBT42Q module datasheet, and perhaps it explains the relatively poor performance of the nRF52832 Adafruit Feather which uses the MDBT42Q.:
                      0_1500781343573_MBDT42Q_RAYTAC_MODULE.png
                      I believe the Adafruit may have a much smaller ground plane than what is being recommended here by Raytac.

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                        FWIW, I just now sent an email to support@cdebyte.com requesting either a schematic of their E73-2G4M04S module itself or a schematic for a demo circuit, so that I may be certain about adding the appropriate hardware needed to get their module to work. I'll post if I hear anything back from them.

                        By the way, in the case of Raytac, they even have their own demo board: https://raytac.blog/2017/01/24/how-to-use-raytac-mdbt42q-nordic-nrf52832-demo-board/

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                        @NeverDie

                        I requested the schematic for the cdebyte module too...but they replied: it's confidential - LOL.

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                          @NeverDie

                          I requested the schematic for the cdebyte module too...but they replied: it's confidential - LOL.

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                          @mtiutiu
                          How long did it take them to reply to you?

                          I guess we may have to reverse engineer what they did then--at least roughly--in order to use it. I'll see if I can pry the cover off and photograph what's inside. If I'm successful, then I'll post the photos so we can all look at it together.

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                            @mtiutiu
                            How long did it take them to reply to you?

                            I guess we may have to reverse engineer what they did then--at least roughly--in order to use it. I'll see if I can pry the cover off and photograph what's inside. If I'm successful, then I'll post the photos so we can all look at it together.

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                            @NeverDie

                            About 6 hours. I asked them too if the Nordic datasheet recommendations were followed or not and if they can provide an example of how to use the module.

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                              @NeverDie

                              About 6 hours. I asked them too if the Nordic datasheet recommendations were followed or not and if they can provide an example of how to use the module.

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                              @mtiutiu said in nRF5 Bluetooth action!:

                              if they can provide an example of how to use the module

                              What was their answer to that, or is it still pending? I don't mind them being a black box, provided they show how to use it.

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                                @NeverDie

                                I requested the schematic for the cdebyte module too...but they replied: it's confidential - LOL.

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                                @mtiutiu said in nRF5 Bluetooth action!:

                                @NeverDie

                                I requested the schematic for the cdebyte module too...but they replied: it's confidential - LOL.

                                this one is funny, like if there was something special in their module :laughing:

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                                  @mtiutiu said in nRF5 Bluetooth action!:

                                  if they can provide an example of how to use the module

                                  What was their answer to that, or is it still pending? I don't mind them being a black box, provided they show how to use it.

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                                  @NeverDie
                                  Didn't replied yet. When I get an answer I'll post it here so no worries.

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                                    Here's a photo with the lid pried off:
                                    0_1500809442008_photo1.jpg
                                    Maybe we can reconstruct what's going on just from looking at the components and the trace lines? At least for now, I'm not so concerned with the RF part.

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                                      Here's a photo taken from the opposite angle:
                                      0_1500810101142_photo2.jpg

                                      Any other photos anyone wants to see?

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                                        Here's the back:
                                        0_1500810836390_photo3.jpg
                                        So, is it 4 layer as they claim, or only 2? Some of those vias seem rather pointless if it were only 2 layer.

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                                          So, to Scalz's earlier point, it looks like indeed there is no capacitor already on DEC1. Regarding DEC2, it appears that there are pads and solder paste for a capacitor, but the capacitor appears to be missing! Manufacturing error?

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