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Using a sensor to sense the presence of copper wire.

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  • ? A Former User

    It can detect anything, but the only thing that will be inserted into the area will be bare copper. Some of it, very small.

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    @moparjay
    I have a question : Does your project measure the wire form end to end or can it detect just the presence of copper wire and does it only see copper?
    I have a HF tuner project that scans for antenna on the system and because some antenna have no real return other then RF your project may be able to see the wire in that antenna and return a controllable reading.
    thanks

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      No measuring of the wire.
      It only has to sense the presence of copper wire.
      The wire being inserted into the enclosure is not part of any circuit, and will have no electrical field.

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        No measuring of the wire.
        It only has to sense the presence of copper wire.
        The wire being inserted into the enclosure is not part of any circuit, and will have no electrical field.

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        @moparjay
        So if I understand you right , If you insert a copper wire you get some kind of feed back.

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          I'm hoping to find a way to insert a bare copper wire thru a hole in an enclosure, then have a sensor that sees the presence of the wire, and the sensor sends out a signal to relay, that sends a signal to a solenoid, that activates a pneumatic cylinder, that will clamp the wire in place.

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            I'm hoping to find a way to insert a bare copper wire thru a hole in an enclosure, then have a sensor that sees the presence of the wire, and the sensor sends out a signal to relay, that sends a signal to a solenoid, that activates a pneumatic cylinder, that will clamp the wire in place.

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            @moparjay
            I think I under stand now what you are doing now.
            How far are you , maybe I can help out.

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            • ? A Former User

              Newbie here, attempting to create a fixture that will use a sensor, that will signal when there is the presence of copper wire.

              The wire inserted into the area of the sensor will vary from:

              36 ga. - 5 ga. Magnet wire
              24 ga. - 10 ga. Stranded wire with the insulation removed.

              Any idea which direction I should go for a sensor?

              Thank you, Jay

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              @moparjay how about building a simple metal detector circuit like this : https://www.electronicshub.org/metal-detector-circuit
              If you stick the wire through the foil it'll probably be able to detect it

              http://yveaux.blogspot.nl

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                Please see attached image:

                0_1521480421127_20180319_131030-001.jpg

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                  @moparjay how about building a simple metal detector circuit like this : https://www.electronicshub.org/metal-detector-circuit
                  If you stick the wire through the foil it'll probably be able to detect it

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                  @yveaux That would not work because the case is all metal to block RF .

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                    I am assuming that having a "close" and an "open" button is not an option, right?

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                      The button you see mounted in the pic, is a momentary (normally closed) switch.

                      If I can find a sensor to work properly, this will be used to open the spring loaded cylinder manually by the operator "after" the signal is sent to close the cylinder.

                      If the sensor automation does not work out (to close the cylinder), the button will be to manually open the cylinder that will "always" be in the closed position. Push the button, cylinder opens, wire inserted, release button, cylinder returns to it's normally closed position.

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                        The plan was to have this contraption automated in the clamping motion. Simply insert wire, sensor sends signal, closes the cylinder to clamp the wire in place.

                        But if this is too difficult, I'll resort to Plan-B, which is having the cylinder always pressurized in the "clamp" position or "closed" position. Push the momentary, to open the cylinder, insert the wire, release the button, cylinder returns to closed / clamp position.

                        The photo is only a test piece for experimentation. The REAL unit will be enclosed with a row of many cylinders / contacts / etc., with the ability to hold many different wires at once, all independent from one another.

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                          Given the variety of the wires diameters, I think the 1 or 2 buttons solution is the most reliable one. Just my 2 cents

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                            @gohan said in Using a sensor to sense the presence of copper wire.:

                            Given the variety of the wires diameters, I think the 1 or 2 buttons solution is the most reliable one. Just my 2 cents

                            I agree.

                            I can accomplish what I want with a single momentary. So, it's no big deal....just hoping to make it more automated.

                            My original plan was to use a proximity switch. But I quickly learned the issues with consistently detecting copper.

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                              Please see attached image:

                              0_1521480421127_20180319_131030-001.jpg

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                              @moparjay
                              How about a pressure switch .
                              I must be missing something here, what is the end point ?

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                                How about a pressure switch .

                                If you are referring to a pressure switch for the wire to apply the pressure, the wire will be as small as a human hair. Not capable of applying pressure.

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                                  How about a pressure switch .

                                  If you are referring to a pressure switch for the wire to apply the pressure, the wire will be as small as a human hair. Not capable of applying pressure.

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                                  @moparjay
                                  have you thought about using a jfet?

                                  see here for a google search

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                                    What about something like this:
                                    https://www.keyence.com/products/sensor/proximity/ta/models/th-305/index.jsp

                                    Vera Plus running UI7 with MySensors, Sonoffs and 1-Wire devices
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                                      It looks interesting, but I haven't seen if it may work with copper too

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                                        @moparjay
                                        have you thought about using a jfet?

                                        see here for a google search

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                                        have you thought about using a jfet?

                                        Thanks for the info. But I'm fine with the simplicity of a momentary, if full-automation-clamping is too difficult...or expensive. LOL

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                                          have you thought about using a jfet?

                                          Thanks for the info. But I'm fine with the simplicity of a momentary, if full-automation-clamping is too difficult...or expensive. LOL

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                                          @moparjay
                                          what about when sliding the wire into the top hole you give it a + charge and the base a - charge with a circuit that will do when the 2 touch.

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