@exilit One test report should cover it. I say should as it is really up to the Certifying Body to determine it any further reports are necessary. These could be FCC (radio frequency reports), LVD, CISPAR or statements that report the use of certain products used in the manufacture and disposal of the PCB, Components, Solders etc.
Certifying is a very comprehensive process and I think that any advice I give you really is only an opinion as requirements will vary.
My feeling is that you should obtain professional advice from a Electronics Engineer who has all the answers to the questions you ask before proceeding any further.
In answer to your points, you should be able to obtain certification on a device that has an additional interface, however, the device that interfaces may also need certification or may already have it.
Doing it yourself I meant as a a DIY project, oddly if you offer it as such then there appears to be no obligation on your part to seek reporting or certifying advice.
Sell it as a kit and buyer beware.
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RE: AC Power and/or Relay interface
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RE: AC Power and/or Relay interface
@exilit This will depend on the region for certification.
Where do I start?
Generally, most if not all devices will come with Test Reports for that region. i.e. The EU has an overall requirement, but there may be local variants that need to have an aspect of the device that needs a specific test report.
Once you have that report you can apply to a Certifying Authority for the issue of a Compliance Certificate (more cost). The Certifying Authority may (and usually does) find another aspect of the report that has not been covered, so occasionally you end up back to Step 1. Just as an example, the last Series of electricals I had certified took 18 months of back and forth communication between the Reporting Authority and the Compliance Company.
It burnt a huge hole into the budget, not only because of the cost, but also the delay in bringing products into the market.
There may also be different Equipment Levels, ie Level 1, 2 or 3. to contend with.
The device will have to comply with the requirements of these levels. In our region Level 1 is the most stringent and applies to all devices that the Consumer can come into direct contact, ie Switches and so forth. The level will determine the complexity of the reporting required. Devices that are designed to be installed by an Electrician in a switchboard and treated differently. (usually Level2)
You could argue that this device is for professional use and will be installed by a Qualified Electrician in a Electrical cabinet of some description, but it's really drawing a long bow when you manufacturer it yourself. On the other hand if you make it and use it yourself (don't tell anyone just in case it fries and burns the house down) then you have what you want.
Is your head aching yet? Mine did and still does at times, however I can sleep soundly at night knowing that we have taken all possible precautions and the devices are as safe as they can possibly be and if the issue lands in Court then I can waive the necessary paperwork to prove that we were not negligent.
To simply answer your question:
Any device that uses LV will require some type of Test Report and Certification if you intend to manufacture and supply these for sale.Just be using a signal or ELV to control LV does not offer a way around the requirement.
However as you can now probably see, it's just not that simple.
I hope this helps, it not complete but you need to do a look of research of the requirements relation to the Certifying of Electrical Equipment in your region and make the correct judgment. As a Start look up Standard IEC 60669 and all the parts that come with it as a generally primer. -
RE: AC Power and/or Relay interface
@exilit said in AC Power and/or Relay interface:
@Brian-Morris i Think wat i am really looking for is a tinkering-friendly Device that can deliver some low voltage power as well as a possibility to switch higher voltage devices.
The point is that - as far as I know - tinkering with low voltage is uncritical (with respect to assurances and power providers) but everything related to mains power needs to be certified and/or should only be installed by people qualified to do so. So what I would like to see is a device that can be controlled easily and at the same time is safe to use.
LV is a voltage above 110VAC or 50VDC, this is the critical test.
Below 110VAC or 50VDC it is ELV and does not require the mandatory testing.
For a device as suggested to be made, it would need to undergo testing, then further reporting and certification in many different world wide regions before it could be sold on the market.
It is a very expensive and time consuming effort (been there and done that)-I doubt that any money could be made on developing a device such as this (it's still a good idea, don't get me wrong, but I doubt it has a commercial application otherwise it would have been made.)
The least expensive way of controlling Line Voltages remotely that I would use is to use a Z-Wave device. Depending on the region you are located this will cost you between 40-maybe 85 local currency units. Use OpenHab as your controller software then you have control from your sensors and Z-wave control of your Power relays.
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RE: AC Power and/or Relay interface
@gohan the smallest PS that I know of that is enclosed is 62.55128mm (LWH)
available in 3.3v, 5v DC
https://www.meanwellaustralia.com.au/products/rs-15
There should be local distributors in the required region.
If the OP can do without an enclosed PS then there are smaller such as
this step down shield.
https://www.blackcatcontrolsystems.com.au/Chargers-Power Supplies-Connectors/Transformers/AC-DC Supply-240vAC-5VDCThere are many different relay's on the market, googling will turn up something that fits the requirement.
Sorry about the Z-Wave confusion.
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RE: AC Power and/or Relay interface
@exilit For Z-Wave control the only device I am aware of that uses those voltages is a Z-UNO. You would need to build your own controller but it's not difficult.
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RE: Irrigation Controller (up to 16 valves with Shift Registers)
If you are looking for Software, try openhab.
You need to buy Vera, but the software is free.
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RE: Irrigation Controller (up to 16 valves with Shift Registers)
I've just started playing with a Z-Uno and was looking at ways to use for a project like this.
I'm a believer in not re-inventing the wheel and it seem that all I would need to do is to delete the radio and re-code the sketch for the extra relays ( I have already built a 4 channel relay, it's just getting over the hurdle of learning about Shift Registers).
Do you think this is possible or would I be better just starting from scratch?