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    gloob
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    @GertSanders
    Do you have a source or shop for the AAA battery holder with solder pins? I did only find some for AA batteries.

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      @alexsh1 It is based on my AC capable board, is a normal atmega328p board, but with a SIM800L mounted on it. This module allows me to send and receive SMS's, and I use one of the digital output pins to control a waterpump. I have a second AC based board ready which will be my MySensors SMS gateway. This means it will be able to receive V_TEXT and send that to the default GSM number as a SMS. It should be possible to receive SMS and send that as V_TEXT to other nodes, but so far I have not started the design of the second sketch yet.

      1447344753891-img_7575.jpg

      You see it here also (top right) with the relay module and the white AC-DC converter connected.

      1447344662709-img_7579.jpg

      Side view:

      1447344891388-img_7582.jpg

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      @GertSanders said:

      @alexsh1 It is based on my AC capable board, is a normal atmega328p board, but with a SIM800L mounted on it. This module allows me to send and receive SMS's, and I use one of the digital output pins to control a waterpump. I have a second AC based board ready which will be my MySensors SMS gateway. This means it will be able to receive V_TEXT and send that to the default GSM number as a SMS. It should be possible to receive SMS and send that as V_TEXT to other nodes, but so far I have not started the design of the second sketch yet.

      I only have 1-2 high current (3kWh at 240V resistive load) devices at home and I am already controlling them as well my internet router (remote reboot if no internet) via SMS. At this stage I need a larger property to expand my home automation lol :satisfied: :satisfied: :satisfied:

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      • G gloob

        @GertSanders
        Do you have a source or shop for the AAA battery holder with solder pins? I did only find some for AA batteries.

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        @gloob said:

        @GertSanders
        Do you have a source or shop for the AAA battery holder with solder pins? I did only find some for AA batteries.

        Would you mind me asking why you'd need AAA batteries? Much less capacity and the holder is not much smaller. I have been using Eneloop AA rechargable lithium batteries (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/4pcs-1-5V-AA-2200mWh-Lithium-li-ion-Rechargeble-Battery-4-PORTS-AA-charger-/272027421169?hash=item3f561909f1:g:r9AAAOSwMTZWSFHz) and they are holding up really well. The advantage is that they hold 1.5V almost until they are discharged unlike NiMh

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          GertSanders
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          @gloob I got my AAA holders from Aliexpress.

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            @GertSanders said:

            AAA holders

            Like this? http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Wholesale-30Pcs-lot-1-AAA-Battery-Case-Holder-Box-Base-Socket-With-two-pins-AAA-Battery/32244035084.html?spm=2114.01020208.3.182.YlN1cu&ws_ab_test=searchweb201556_2_79_78_77_80,searchweb201644_0,searchweb201560_5

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              #92

              Indeed, those :+1:

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                gloob
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                Do you have an idea how long a temperature sensor will run on 2 AAA batteries?

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                  @gloob Not yet, some of mine have been running for 2months with a voltage drop of less then 1%

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                    IMG_2229.JPG

                    My board waiting for a sensor from China

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                      IMG_2229.JPG

                      My board waiting for a sensor from China

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                      gloob
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                      @alexsh1
                      How did you connect the battery? Did you solder it directly to the board?

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                        #97

                        @gloob There are two connections on the board to allow soldering the battery holder. Both the AA and AAA versions I use have the same pin spacing (seems standard), so you can use an AA battery holder as @alexsh1 does, or an AAA as I have.

                        http://forum.mysensors.org/uploads/files/1446751714416-image.jpeg

                        The red arrows show where the batteryholder pins should go. If you have individual AAA battery holders, then the pins surrounded by yellow circle are also used to connect the batteries in series. If the battery holder holds 2 batteries, then only the pins pointed to by red arrows are used.

                        batteryholderconnections.jpg

                        The PLUS sign next the the pin on the lower right of the above image is for the LED, the polarity of the pins from the battery is marked on the silkscreen of the bottom side. Looking at it from the top side, the pin above right is for Positive, the pin on below right is for Negative (or GND).

                        Jumper J2 is to connect the IRQ pin from the NRF24 to pin 2 (INT0) of the atmega328. You could also use that to connect a switch between the top jumper pad (connected to pin 2) and the extra ground pin of C5, to use with a doorswitch. I have used this with the internal pull up, but that would not be very good for the battery-use. It is better to use a 1MOhm pull up resistor wich can also be connected using the extra hole connected to pin 2 and Vcc

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                          alexsh1
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                          @gloob @GertSanders is spot on! I only have 1.5V AA rechargeable lithium batteries so the choice of the battery holder is obvious.

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                            rmtucker
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                            Just ordered a batch from DirtyPcb so the journey is just beginning!.
                            Doubt i will need a whole batch so if anyone requires a couple in the uk let me know.

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                              @alexsh1 I completely switched off the BoD in my fuse settings, this saves the battery even more. I found that the processor kept working down to around 1,64V. Even my NRF24 worked to that low level, because the last message I received in my Domoticz from that node gave a battery voltage of 1.64V
                              Anyway, since I monitor all battery levels via a script in Domoticz, there is no need for BoD.

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                              @GertSanders said:

                              @alexsh1 I completely switched off the BoD in my fuse settings, this saves the battery even more. I found that the processor kept working down to around 1,64V. Even my NRF24 worked to that low level, because the last message I received in my Domoticz from that node gave a battery voltage of 1.64V
                              Anyway, since I monitor all battery levels via a script in Domoticz, there is no need for BoD.

                              How is 1.64v possible,It was my understanding that 8Mhz requires a minimum of 2.4v?

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                                The processor is guaranteed to work within the specified limits. Outside the specified limits, no guarantees are made. It might work, it might not work or it might work slightly with strange glitches.

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                                  rmtucker
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                                  I see now.Thank you
                                  Has anyone modified Gertsanders Firmware to run at 1Mhz?
                                  That would give reasonably stable results down to 1.8v.
                                  I don't have the skills to compile from scratch and cater for the led on pin8 etc.

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                                    @rmtucker The firmware itself does not need to be changed to use the internal oscillator. You accomplish that by using a different set of fuse values:
                                    atmega328pO4M8i.bootloader.low_fuses=0xE2
                                    atmega328pO4M8i.bootloader.high_fuses=0xDE
                                    atmega328pO4M8i.bootloader.extended_fuses=0x07

                                    This sets the processor to a mode using the internal oscillator.

                                    Add the call to divide the frequency by 8 (can be done in the sketch itself) and you have a 1MHz internal clock.

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                                      @rmtucker The firmware itself does not need to be changed to use the internal oscillator. You accomplish that by using a different set of fuse values:
                                      atmega328pO4M8i.bootloader.low_fuses=0xE2
                                      atmega328pO4M8i.bootloader.high_fuses=0xDE
                                      atmega328pO4M8i.bootloader.extended_fuses=0x07

                                      This sets the processor to a mode using the internal oscillator.

                                      Add the call to divide the frequency by 8 (can be done in the sketch itself) and you have a 1MHz internal clock.

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                                      @GertSanders So have you never found it a problem running at 8Mhz?
                                      Do most of your sensors work ok below the 2.4v threshold?
                                      Guess i will find out when the pcb boards arrive:smiley:

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                                        #105

                                        @rmtucker Short answer: yes. So far most my sensors are working fine and all sit above 2.4V but I have not had problems when they do below 2.4V

                                        There is one sensor now that has a battery in decline. This sensor uses a lot of power and goes through it's batteries very fast. So it is a good test for this low voltage work. It is now at 2.11V and still sends messages every 5 minutes. On the first graph you can see it is still working fine wel below 2.4V and it is clocked at 8MHz with a crystal.

                                        Screen Shot 2016-01-03 at 20.27.54.png

                                        I have a notification on all my sensors so that when the battery voltage goes below 2V I get a Prowl from Domoticz. This has only happened on this sensor (twice so far), because I was using NiMH batteries (which discharge faster than alkaline). Around 2 november I put in 2 alkaline batteries (AAA), but these were not brand new.

                                        Most of my sensors have a discharge pattern as here below:

                                        Screen Shot 2016-01-03 at 20.38.51.png

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                                        • GertSandersG GertSanders

                                          @rmtucker Short answer: yes. So far most my sensors are working fine and all sit above 2.4V but I have not had problems when they do below 2.4V

                                          There is one sensor now that has a battery in decline. This sensor uses a lot of power and goes through it's batteries very fast. So it is a good test for this low voltage work. It is now at 2.11V and still sends messages every 5 minutes. On the first graph you can see it is still working fine wel below 2.4V and it is clocked at 8MHz with a crystal.

                                          Screen Shot 2016-01-03 at 20.27.54.png

                                          I have a notification on all my sensors so that when the battery voltage goes below 2V I get a Prowl from Domoticz. This has only happened on this sensor (twice so far), because I was using NiMH batteries (which discharge faster than alkaline). Around 2 november I put in 2 alkaline batteries (AAA), but these were not brand new.

                                          Most of my sensors have a discharge pattern as here below:

                                          Screen Shot 2016-01-03 at 20.38.51.png

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                                          @GertSanders What rate is the sensor in the very bottom graph sending messages?
                                          That discharge rate looks very nice.

                                          @GertSanders said:

                                          @rmtucker The firmware itself does not need to be changed to use the internal oscillator. You accomplish that by using a different set of fuse values:
                                          atmega328pO4M8i.bootloader.low_fuses=0xE2
                                          atmega328pO4M8i.bootloader.high_fuses=0xDE
                                          atmega328pO4M8i.bootloader.extended_fuses=0x07

                                          This sets the processor to a mode using the internal oscillator.

                                          Add the call to divide the frequency by 8 (can be done in the sketch itself) and you have a 1MHz internal clock.

                                          Problem with using div/8 in the sketch and not altering the bootloader is that all the timings are off for baud rates and pwm etc.
                                          Where if it is altered in the bootloader it all works as it should.

                                          Last question i promise :yum:

                                          I currently use the arduino mini pro and when uploading sketches to it using ftdi,i have to press the reset button to get the upload to work.
                                          Will i have the same problem with your boards?

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