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Where do you place your sensors or how do you hide them (case)?

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  • korttomaK Offline
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    wrote on last edited by
    #8

    I do not think anyone has managed to create a battery powered CO2 senor yet, at least not that I know of.
    The sensors just draw to much power and often needs some pre-heating to be accurate, so be prepared that you might have to make it a wired sensor.

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    • MaKinM Offline
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      #9

      Thanks a lot for your replies guys!

      So I might also just build two sensor boxes wired when using the CO2 component and wouldn't have to worry about the battery.

      When using a CO2 sensor plus the DHT22, should I better take an Arduino Uno/Nano instead of the Mini Pro? And what power adapter would you recommend?

      I'm really sorry for asking those questions that might seem so simple to you but my knowledge about electricity is horribly lacking... :(

      I really have to dive deeper into the topic but I'm still pretty fresh to the subject. :)

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      • MaKinM MaKin

        Thanks a lot for your replies guys!

        So I might also just build two sensor boxes wired when using the CO2 component and wouldn't have to worry about the battery.

        When using a CO2 sensor plus the DHT22, should I better take an Arduino Uno/Nano instead of the Mini Pro? And what power adapter would you recommend?

        I'm really sorry for asking those questions that might seem so simple to you but my knowledge about electricity is horribly lacking... :(

        I really have to dive deeper into the topic but I'm still pretty fresh to the subject. :)

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        #10

        @MaKin the Uno and Nano have USB ports, which is convenient when connecting them to a computer for programming/troubleshooting (for the Pro Minis you need a FTDI adapter, see link in the MySensors store). Another upside with the USB ports is that the node can be powered through the USB port using a regular USB phone charger.

        Uno and Nano are 5V. Pro Mini exists in 5V and 3.3V version. Some sensors use 5V and some use 3.3V. If you want to use a 3.3V sensor with a 5V Arduino (or the other way around) you need a logic level shifter.

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          #11

          I don't want you to think I haven't informed myself before. I knew that Uno and Nano are 3.3V and 5V while the Mini Pro is either or. From the getting started I got that I need some kind of step-up or step-down regulator (that's your logic level shifter I assume: here I have to dig deeper into the matter).

          What I wasn't and still am not sure about it the computation power. The Mini Pro is 8Mhz with 3.3V and 16Mhz with 5V, therefore optimal for battery usage. But is it the same with the uno and nano?

          Or are all the boards the same except for voltage, USB port and form factor?

          And don't I have to fear a lack of computation power with multiple sensors being used?

          Thanks again for your patience and support, it's unbelievably helpful when entering new fields. :)

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          • MaKinM MaKin

            I don't want you to think I haven't informed myself before. I knew that Uno and Nano are 3.3V and 5V while the Mini Pro is either or. From the getting started I got that I need some kind of step-up or step-down regulator (that's your logic level shifter I assume: here I have to dig deeper into the matter).

            What I wasn't and still am not sure about it the computation power. The Mini Pro is 8Mhz with 3.3V and 16Mhz with 5V, therefore optimal for battery usage. But is it the same with the uno and nano?

            Or are all the boards the same except for voltage, USB port and form factor?

            And don't I have to fear a lack of computation power with multiple sensors being used?

            Thanks again for your patience and support, it's unbelievably helpful when entering new fields. :)

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            wrote on last edited by mfalkvidd
            #12

            @MaKin Sorry if my answers are too basic. It is very hard to figure out what level people are (I am no mind reader - yet), and I choose to err on the "too simple" side because of two reasons:

            1. Too advanced information is useless to a newbie, while too simple information still can be valuable or at least easily ignored by a more advanced user
            2. These threads are read by a lot of people. Someone else might be at a lower knowledge level, and can therefore benefit from simpler answers.

            I usually use https://www.arduino.cc/en/Products/Compare to compare the different Arduinos. Sparkfun has a table a bit further down on https://learn.sparkfun.com/tutorials/arduino-comparison-guide as well but doesn't have info on amount of sram.
            Computational power is very seldom a bottleneck in home automation. The mcus often sleep more than they are awake, or run around in a loop waiting for something to happen. The Sensebender runs at 1MHz and that's enough for almost anything.

            Flash size and sram can make a difference though. Some Pro Minis are based on Atmega168, which only has 16kB flash which is a bit tight. In one project I needed more than the 2kB sram available on Atmega328P so I decided to use an ESP8266 which has ~45kB usable sram when the rest of the code is loaded.

            A regulator handles voltage for power supply. A logic level shifter handles voltage for signals. They are quite different and can not be used interchangeably.

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              #13

              My favorite hidden sensor enclosure is @Dwalt's old book solution: https://forum.mysensors.org/topic/949/sensor-for-vallox-digitse-rs485-ventilation-system-with-integration-into-fhem/10.

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              • mfalkviddM mfalkvidd

                @MaKin Sorry if my answers are too basic. It is very hard to figure out what level people are (I am no mind reader - yet), and I choose to err on the "too simple" side because of two reasons:

                1. Too advanced information is useless to a newbie, while too simple information still can be valuable or at least easily ignored by a more advanced user
                2. These threads are read by a lot of people. Someone else might be at a lower knowledge level, and can therefore benefit from simpler answers.

                I usually use https://www.arduino.cc/en/Products/Compare to compare the different Arduinos. Sparkfun has a table a bit further down on https://learn.sparkfun.com/tutorials/arduino-comparison-guide as well but doesn't have info on amount of sram.
                Computational power is very seldom a bottleneck in home automation. The mcus often sleep more than they are awake, or run around in a loop waiting for something to happen. The Sensebender runs at 1MHz and that's enough for almost anything.

                Flash size and sram can make a difference though. Some Pro Minis are based on Atmega168, which only has 16kB flash which is a bit tight. In one project I needed more than the 2kB sram available on Atmega328P so I decided to use an ESP8266 which has ~45kB usable sram when the rest of the code is loaded.

                A regulator handles voltage for power supply. A logic level shifter handles voltage for signals. They are quite different and can not be used interchangeably.

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                #14

                @mfalkvidd I really appreciate your help and once again it really brought me closer to my goal.

                Today I received my arduino uno, some LEDs, resistors, buttons, buzzers and motion sensors and I was able to fiddle around a bit.

                Loaded the serial gateway program onto it and added the motion detection part and it seems to work so far. I'm still waiting for my Nanos, radios and DHT22 sensors so I can place them in my rooms.

                Can I set the voltage to 3.3V and the clock speed of the Nano to 8Mhz and also use it with a battery (when no CO2 sensor is used)?

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                • MaKinM MaKin

                  @mfalkvidd I really appreciate your help and once again it really brought me closer to my goal.

                  Today I received my arduino uno, some LEDs, resistors, buttons, buzzers and motion sensors and I was able to fiddle around a bit.

                  Loaded the serial gateway program onto it and added the motion detection part and it seems to work so far. I'm still waiting for my Nanos, radios and DHT22 sensors so I can place them in my rooms.

                  Can I set the voltage to 3.3V and the clock speed of the Nano to 8Mhz and also use it with a battery (when no CO2 sensor is used)?

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                  #15

                  @MaKin seems like it is possible to convert a Nano to 3.3V, I found this when googling http://www.avrfreaks.net/forum/converting-arduino-nano-chinese-clone-33v

                  But to me it seems like a lot of work. Easier to just use a 3.3V Pro Mini or a logic level shifter.

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                  • mfalkviddM mfalkvidd

                    @MaKin seems like it is possible to convert a Nano to 3.3V, I found this when googling http://www.avrfreaks.net/forum/converting-arduino-nano-chinese-clone-33v

                    But to me it seems like a lot of work. Easier to just use a 3.3V Pro Mini or a logic level shifter.

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                    #16

                    @mfalkvidd yep, found that too. But when using CO2 sensors it doesn't really matter anyway. ;)

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                      19 days ago .. I hope i dont wake the dead .. on my latest projects I bagen using this nice stuff:

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