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  • jenbakerJ jenbaker

    @epierre

    hi

    i am new here.

    sorry i am a little confused by with these new formulate.

    is it the key for module?

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    epierre
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    wrote on last edited by
    #150

    @jenbaker said:

    sorry i am a little confused by with these new formulate.

    is it the key for module?

    if you have a module the datasheet gives you the values, yes. Remember this is their """""generic"""" calibration, in fact they all copy the other so don't expect your MQ** would follow this by the letter...

    z-wave - Vera -> Domoticz
    rfx - Domoticz <- MyDomoAtHome <- Imperihome
    mysensors -> mysensors-gw -> Domoticz

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    • tantt2810T tantt2810

      Hello,
      I'm don't understand the recipe below. Why RL_Value(Load Resistance)(1023-raw_adc)/raw_adc)? Can you explain for me?
      Thank you so much !!!
      /
      ***************** MQResistanceCalculation ****************************************
      Input: raw_adc - raw value read from adc, which represents the voltage
      Output: the calculated sensor resistance
      Remarks: The sensor and the load resistor forms a voltage divider. Given the voltage
      across the load resistor and its resistance, the resistance of the sensor
      could be derived.
      ***********************************************************************************/
      float MQ2::MQResistanceCalculation(int raw_adc)
      {
      return ( ((float)RL_VALUE
      (1023-raw_adc)/raw_adc));
      }

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      epierre
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      wrote on last edited by
      #151

      @tantt2810 said:

      Hello,
      I'm don't understand the recipe below. Why RL_Value(Load Resistance)(1023-raw_adc)/raw_adc)? Can you explain for me?
      Thank you so much !!!
      Input: raw_adc - raw value read from adc, which represents the voltage
      Output: the calculated sensor resistance
      Remarks: The sensor and the load resistor forms a voltage divider. Given the voltage
      across the load resistor and its resistance, the resistance of the sensor
      could be derived.
      float MQ2::MQResistanceCalculation(int raw_adc)
      RL_VALUE
      (1023-raw_adc)/raw_adc));

      in fact it is above described, you have a voltage, you want a resistance.
      https://learn.sparkfun.com/tutorials/voltage-dividers

      datasheet needs a value which is the Rs/Ro (called here RL) where
      Ro: sensor resistance at 100ppm of NH3 in the clean air.
      Rs:sensor resistance at various concentrations of gases

      here the formula is a simplification of this:

      float Vrl = val * ( 5.00 / 1024.0 ); // V
      float Rs = 20000 * ( 5.00 - Vrl) / Vrl ; // Ohm
      int ratio = Rs/Ro;
      ppm = 37143 * pow (ratio, -3.178);

      z-wave - Vera -> Domoticz
      rfx - Domoticz <- MyDomoAtHome <- Imperihome
      mysensors -> mysensors-gw -> Domoticz

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      • epierreE epierre

        @tantt2810 said:

        Hello,
        I'm don't understand the recipe below. Why RL_Value(Load Resistance)(1023-raw_adc)/raw_adc)? Can you explain for me?
        Thank you so much !!!
        Input: raw_adc - raw value read from adc, which represents the voltage
        Output: the calculated sensor resistance
        Remarks: The sensor and the load resistor forms a voltage divider. Given the voltage
        across the load resistor and its resistance, the resistance of the sensor
        could be derived.
        float MQ2::MQResistanceCalculation(int raw_adc)
        RL_VALUE
        (1023-raw_adc)/raw_adc));

        in fact it is above described, you have a voltage, you want a resistance.
        https://learn.sparkfun.com/tutorials/voltage-dividers

        datasheet needs a value which is the Rs/Ro (called here RL) where
        Ro: sensor resistance at 100ppm of NH3 in the clean air.
        Rs:sensor resistance at various concentrations of gases

        here the formula is a simplification of this:

        float Vrl = val * ( 5.00 / 1024.0 ); // V
        float Rs = 20000 * ( 5.00 - Vrl) / Vrl ; // Ohm
        int ratio = Rs/Ro;
        ppm = 37143 * pow (ratio, -3.178);

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        tantt2810
        wrote on last edited by
        #152

        @epierre Hi you,
        I think the Rs/Ro is not RL. In the datasheet RL=5kOhm. As I know it is a resistance on board Arduino, and we set it 5kOhm. Is it right? I also don't know why we set it equal 5kOhm. =))
        And why 20000 is in "float Rs = 20000 * ( 5.00 - Vrl) / Vrl ; // Ohm" ?
        Please help me clearly. Thank you so much !!!

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          wrote on last edited by
          #153

          Hello,
          I have read the sensitivity characteristics curve in datasheet of MQ135 and I don't know AL R, 3/4, 1/4* and +- mean? Can you help me, please !!!
          NH4 represent for NH3, doesn't it ?
          Thank you so much !!!

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            tantt2810
            wrote on last edited by
            #154

            Hi everyone,
            I have an CO2 MG811 sensor. I don't know where tcm pin connect with ?
            Please help me. Thank you so much !!!!
            0_1457101257425_F08406-CO2-Carbon-Dioxide-Sensor-Module-font-b-MG811-b-font-Voltage-0-2V-Voltage-Output.jpg

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              TFPOK1
              wrote on last edited by
              #155

              Hello, I'm working with an MQ-136 sensor, and am interested in measuring H2S and/or SO2 concentrations. I've got a simple sketch written which gives me a fairly consistent value on the serial monitor, but I've tried to run the multiple gas sensor sketch both complete and I also tried picking apart the sketch just to include MQ-136 related variables and algorithms, but I can't get it to work. It's showing too many errors to list here. Does anyone have simple conversions from the serial outputs to usable values for various gases that this sensor can measure?

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              • Joel PérezJ Offline
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                Joel Pérez
                wrote on last edited by
                #156

                hello, how i read co2 ppm with my mq135?
                helpme please

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                • tantt2810T tantt2810

                  Hi everyone,
                  I have an CO2 MG811 sensor. I don't know where tcm pin connect with ?
                  Please help me. Thank you so much !!!!
                  0_1457101257425_F08406-CO2-Carbon-Dioxide-Sensor-Module-font-b-MG811-b-font-Voltage-0-2V-Voltage-Output.jpg

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                  epierre
                  Hero Member
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #157

                  @tantt2810 said:

                  Hi everyone,
                  I have an CO2 MG811 sensor. I don't know where tcm pin connect with ?
                  Please help me. Thank you so much !!!!

                  this is an analogic sensor, so VCC/Gnd to power it, and readings on analogic Aout

                  z-wave - Vera -> Domoticz
                  rfx - Domoticz <- MyDomoAtHome <- Imperihome
                  mysensors -> mysensors-gw -> Domoticz

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                    epierre
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                    wrote on last edited by
                    #158

                    @tantt2810 sorry for not being more responsive, I left MQ/TGS behind me but I've not kept all my notes on mesuring this and that, that would require me to search for it again. But I appreciate if you can spot me some float/type error conversion in sketches !

                    z-wave - Vera -> Domoticz
                    rfx - Domoticz <- MyDomoAtHome <- Imperihome
                    mysensors -> mysensors-gw -> Domoticz

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                      wrote on last edited by
                      #159

                      I was a bit disappointed when a project I contributed to on Kickstarter showed the inside of their boxes, I wonder how they will manage to satisfy customers with calibration... or their home made index as netatmo did
                      0_1457255421408_sensly.png

                      z-wave - Vera -> Domoticz
                      rfx - Domoticz <- MyDomoAtHome <- Imperihome
                      mysensors -> mysensors-gw -> Domoticz

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                        moskovskiy82
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #160

                        Used the air quality script for MQ7 but throwed out all the conversions and calibrations. Just reading the plain input from the analogue pin.
                        I targeted this as a smoke detector but it seems this sensor highly depends on the humidity of the surrounding air. Are there any existing formulas to correct for the humidity of the surounding air?

                        And on one sensor i have some irratical data as shown below (blue). I wonder if it's a power supply (black and green is DHT) or a broken sensor?
                        alt text

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                        • M moskovskiy82

                          Used the air quality script for MQ7 but throwed out all the conversions and calibrations. Just reading the plain input from the analogue pin.
                          I targeted this as a smoke detector but it seems this sensor highly depends on the humidity of the surrounding air. Are there any existing formulas to correct for the humidity of the surounding air?

                          And on one sensor i have some irratical data as shown below (blue). I wonder if it's a power supply (black and green is DHT) or a broken sensor?
                          alt text

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                          epierre
                          Hero Member
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #161

                          @moskovskiy82 well looks like a strange sensor... try averaging several samples/// always remember to have it running several days before measuring for there are chemical left from china factories...

                          z-wave - Vera -> Domoticz
                          rfx - Domoticz <- MyDomoAtHome <- Imperihome
                          mysensors -> mysensors-gw -> Domoticz

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                            wrote on last edited by mfalkvidd
                            #162

                            Hey all,

                            I've got a question regarding the calibration function in https://github.com/empierre/arduino/blob/master/AirQuality-Multiple_Gas_Sensor1_4.ino :

                            $ grep MQCalibr *
                            AirQuality-Multiple_Gas_Sensor1_4.ino:  Ro0 = MQCalibration(MQ2_SENSOR,10,RL0,SmokeCurve);
                            AirQuality-Multiple_Gas_Sensor1_4.ino:  Ro1 = MQCalibration(MQ6_SENSOR,10,RL1,LPGCurve);
                            AirQuality-Multiple_Gas_Sensor1_4.ino:  Ro2 = MQCalibration(MQ131_SENSOR,10,RL2,O3Curve);
                            AirQuality-Multiple_Gas_Sensor1_4.ino:  Ro3 = MQCalibration(TGS2600_SENSOR,10,RL3,C2H5OH_terCurve);
                            AirQuality-Multiple_Gas_Sensor1_4.ino:  Ro4 = MQCalibration(MQ135_SENSOR,10,RL4,CO_secCurve);
                            AirQuality-Multiple_Gas_Sensor1_4.ino:  Ro6 = MQCalibration(TGS2602_SENSOR,1,RL6,C7H8Curve);
                            ....
                            AirQuality-Multiple_Gas_Sensor1_4.ino:float MQCalibration(int mq_pin, double ppm, double rl_value,float *pcurve )
                            

                            Th function MQCalibration should calibrate the sensor in clean air, the calibration function uses the PPM concentration of the gas in a clean air environment.
                            You already use the appropriate value for i.e. CO2 (around 399 PPM) in the MQ135 sketch - but why are you using those obscure values in the calibration (1, 10) here?

                            Thanks in advance!

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                            • wreinerW wreiner

                              Hey all,

                              I've got a question regarding the calibration function in https://github.com/empierre/arduino/blob/master/AirQuality-Multiple_Gas_Sensor1_4.ino :

                              $ grep MQCalibr *
                              AirQuality-Multiple_Gas_Sensor1_4.ino:  Ro0 = MQCalibration(MQ2_SENSOR,10,RL0,SmokeCurve);
                              AirQuality-Multiple_Gas_Sensor1_4.ino:  Ro1 = MQCalibration(MQ6_SENSOR,10,RL1,LPGCurve);
                              AirQuality-Multiple_Gas_Sensor1_4.ino:  Ro2 = MQCalibration(MQ131_SENSOR,10,RL2,O3Curve);
                              AirQuality-Multiple_Gas_Sensor1_4.ino:  Ro3 = MQCalibration(TGS2600_SENSOR,10,RL3,C2H5OH_terCurve);
                              AirQuality-Multiple_Gas_Sensor1_4.ino:  Ro4 = MQCalibration(MQ135_SENSOR,10,RL4,CO_secCurve);
                              AirQuality-Multiple_Gas_Sensor1_4.ino:  Ro6 = MQCalibration(TGS2602_SENSOR,1,RL6,C7H8Curve);
                              ....
                              AirQuality-Multiple_Gas_Sensor1_4.ino:float MQCalibration(int mq_pin, double ppm, double rl_value,float *pcurve )
                              

                              Th function MQCalibration should calibrate the sensor in clean air, the calibration function uses the PPM concentration of the gas in a clean air environment.
                              You already use the appropriate value for i.e. CO2 (around 399 PPM) in the MQ135 sketch - but why are you using those obscure values in the calibration (1, 10) here?

                              Thanks in advance!

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                              epierre
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                              wrote on last edited by
                              #163

                              @wreiner said:

                              Th function MQCalibration should calibrate the sensor in clean air, the calibration function uses the PPM concentration of the gas in a clean air environment.
                              You already use the appropriate value for i.e. CO2 (around 399 PPM) in the MQ135 sketch - but why are you using those obscure values in the calibration (1, 10) here?

                              Well, I didn't know the concentration in clean air so I had to put in a value even random... I took the hypothesis there are very few in the air so low value.

                              z-wave - Vera -> Domoticz
                              rfx - Domoticz <- MyDomoAtHome <- Imperihome
                              mysensors -> mysensors-gw -> Domoticz

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                              • epierreE epierre

                                @tantt2810 said:

                                Hi everyone,
                                I have an CO2 MG811 sensor. I don't know where tcm pin connect with ?
                                Please help me. Thank you so much !!!!

                                this is an analogic sensor, so VCC/Gnd to power it, and readings on analogic Aout

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                                wrote on last edited by
                                #164

                                @epierre
                                Thank you. Your mean is Vcc->5V, GND->GND, Dout->Digital pin, Aout->Analog pin. Is it right?
                                But I don't know the tcm pin connect with ? I have read datasheet but I don't find any info about tcm pin. Please help me. Thank you so much !!!

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                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #165

                                  @epierre

                                  Readings of my MQ135 are going up and down like a yo-yo. Not sure how to read them really?
                                  What do you think?

                                  0_1457656109114_Screenshot (18).png

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                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #166

                                    I am confused with MiCS 4514 sensor. What I had done is :

                                    using MiCS quick start evaluation board, measured ADC value
                                    calculated Vout and from that calculated R0.
                                    Rs/R0 concentration gives me high value, which is not possible, My data is as follows
                                    clean air file is used for the purpose of R0 value
                                    https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8sF8a6FHoseWjhWOHRoYzIxakk/view?usp=sharing
                                    and Polluted file is used to calculate the actual pollution
                                    https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8sF8a6FHoseR1BnclhCUHdibEU/view?usp=sharing

                                    I am confused. Please help me

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                                    • tantt2810T tantt2810

                                      @epierre
                                      Thank you. Your mean is Vcc->5V, GND->GND, Dout->Digital pin, Aout->Analog pin. Is it right?
                                      But I don't know the tcm pin connect with ? I have read datasheet but I don't find any info about tcm pin. Please help me. Thank you so much !!!

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                                      epierre
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                                      wrote on last edited by epierre
                                      #167

                                      @tantt2810 said:

                                      @epierre
                                      Thank you. Your mean is Vcc->5V, GND->GND, Dout->Digital pin, Aout->Analog pin. Is it right?
                                      But I don't know the tcm pin connect with ? I have read datasheet but I don't find any info about tcm pin. Please help me. Thank you so much !!!

                                      do not use the digital pin !!! it only reacts with the potentiometer in on/off mode, so useless... you need to power the device with Vcc/Gnd, and read the output with Aout (A stands for analog). The last one forget it.

                                      z-wave - Vera -> Domoticz
                                      rfx - Domoticz <- MyDomoAtHome <- Imperihome
                                      mysensors -> mysensors-gw -> Domoticz

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                                      • alexsh1A alexsh1

                                        @epierre

                                        Readings of my MQ135 are going up and down like a yo-yo. Not sure how to read them really?
                                        What do you think?

                                        0_1457656109114_Screenshot (18).png

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                                        epierre
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                                        @alexsh1 is that raw ADC output or with a calculation ? normaly this should go up or down but not in sucha drastic way

                                        z-wave - Vera -> Domoticz
                                        rfx - Domoticz <- MyDomoAtHome <- Imperihome
                                        mysensors -> mysensors-gw -> Domoticz

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                                        • epierreE epierre

                                          @alexsh1 is that raw ADC output or with a calculation ? normaly this should go up or down but not in sucha drastic way

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                                          wrote on last edited by
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                                          @epierre

                                          This is a value gw.send(msg.set(MQ135_DEFAULTPPM+(int)ceil(valAIQ))) reported to Domoticz.
                                          It does not make any sense to me at all.

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