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    #18

    @NeverDie are you sure RFM69 pin pitch matches these adapters ?

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      #19

      @NeverDie : hi. look at here if you want http://forum.mysensors.org/topic/1419/sensor-board-with-booster-and-supervisor. it is not updated yet. I will do soon. I am waiting for my second batch as I had some mistakes. I have to wait two weeks to receive; I can't wait!

      you will be able to solder what you need. dc booster can provide constant voltage even if battery is low. it will be possible to solder just some parts, it depends what you will need. I have made a version with nrf_smd+rfm69 footprints too.
      I think I will like it. Maybe others...
      It is opensource so you will be able too build it.
      Note: on overview this is not the pro mini I use (I have not the good 3d model). I use these http://s.click.aliexpress.com/e/feUvNFufi

      Too bad I didn't see the MYSXConnector before. Next time I will take care :wink:

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      • scalzS scalz

        @NeverDie : hi. look at here if you want http://forum.mysensors.org/topic/1419/sensor-board-with-booster-and-supervisor. it is not updated yet. I will do soon. I am waiting for my second batch as I had some mistakes. I have to wait two weeks to receive; I can't wait!

        you will be able to solder what you need. dc booster can provide constant voltage even if battery is low. it will be possible to solder just some parts, it depends what you will need. I have made a version with nrf_smd+rfm69 footprints too.
        I think I will like it. Maybe others...
        It is opensource so you will be able too build it.
        Note: on overview this is not the pro mini I use (I have not the good 3d model). I use these http://s.click.aliexpress.com/e/feUvNFufi

        Too bad I didn't see the MYSXConnector before. Next time I will take care :wink:

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        #20

        @scalz said:

        @NeverDie : hi. look at here if you want http://forum.mysensors.org/topic/1419/sensor-board-with-booster-and-supervisor. it is not updated yet. I will do soon. I am waiting for my second batch as I had some mistakes. I have to wait two weeks to receive; I can't wait!

        you will be able to solder what you need. dc booster can provide constant voltage even if battery is low. it will be possible to solder just some parts, it depends what you will need. I have made a version with nrf_smd+rfm69 footprints too.
        I think I will like it. Maybe others...
        It is opensource so you will be able too build it.
        Note: on overview this is not the pro mini I use (I have not the good 3d model). I use these http://s.click.aliexpress.com/e/feUvNFufi

        Too bad I didn't see the MYSXConnector before. Next time I will take care :wink:

        Looks interesting. I don't see the RFM69x on it though. Is that on the other side?

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        • fetsF fets

          @NeverDie are you sure RFM69 pin pitch matches these adapters ?

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          wrote on last edited by NeverDie
          #21

          @fets said:

          @NeverDie are you sure RFM69 pin pitch matches these adapters ?

          Good catch. I just now measured the pitch of the RFM69HW, and it's 2.0mm. So, you're right, those particular adapters wouldn't work.

          I have seen 1.0mm pitch adapters which I presume would work(?) by using every other solder line. I haven't tried looking for 2.0mm pitch adapters yet, but I guess now I will.

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            thx. RFM69 is on the same nrf plane. on overview you can see a port of the rfm69 footprint, under nrf. for rfm69, it is same pinout as the moteino. will post more soon.

            I am note sure what do you mean by FETS? I don't see your question...

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              ahaha now I understand your question! yes pitch is 2mm.

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                FYI, There is an a RFM69 adapter board for a teensie: file:///C:/Users/LR/Downloads/Teensy3%20RFM69_OSH%20plus%20RFM69-RFM22%20diag%20softw.pdf

                Now just need to find the equivalent for a pro mini....

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                  #25

                  It would be a total kludge, but with the correct pins and two adapters per radio, it might work: http://www.aliexpress.com/item/1-27MM-2-0MM-2-54MM-8-pin-adapter-plate/32386544730.html Actually, maybe not even then.

                  I really hope someone has something better to suggest.

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                    Or possibly use something like this, but attach 4 wires directly to the radio, one at each corner of the radio.

                    http://www.ebay.com/itm/5pcs-SOP24-SOIC-1mm-to-DIP24-Adapter-PCB-Board-Converter-Double-Sides-NEW-F67-/171246416055?hash=item27df14f0b7

                    You'd only solder to every other solder pad.

                    I guess it might work.

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                    • NeverDieN NeverDie

                      FYI, There is an a RFM69 adapter board for a teensie: file:///C:/Users/LR/Downloads/Teensy3%20RFM69_OSH%20plus%20RFM69-RFM22%20diag%20softw.pdf

                      Now just need to find the equivalent for a pro mini....

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                      @NeverDie Here's the link to the OSH Park Teensy adapter board: https://oshpark.com/shared_projects/RIumMBtN

                      These guys have an an adapter board as well, but a bit pricey: http://modtronicsaustralia.com/shop/rfm69hw-breakout-board-bare-pcb-rf-wireless-module/

                      Cheers
                      Al

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                      • SparkmanS Sparkman

                        @NeverDie Here's the link to the OSH Park Teensy adapter board: https://oshpark.com/shared_projects/RIumMBtN

                        These guys have an an adapter board as well, but a bit pricey: http://modtronicsaustralia.com/shop/rfm69hw-breakout-board-bare-pcb-rf-wireless-module/

                        Cheers
                        Al

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                        @Sparkman said:

                        @NeverDie Here's the link to the OSH Park Teensy adapter board: https://oshpark.com/shared_projects/RIumMBtN

                        These guys have an an adapter board as well, but a bit pricey: http://modtronicsaustralia.com/shop/rfm69hw-breakout-board-bare-pcb-rf-wireless-module/

                        Cheers
                        Al

                        Thanks, Al!

                        I suppose if I were to need an SMA connector, that modtronics board would be the only way (at the moment) of getting it.

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                        • NeverDieN NeverDie

                          It would be a total kludge, but with the correct pins and two adapters per radio, it might work: http://www.aliexpress.com/item/1-27MM-2-0MM-2-54MM-8-pin-adapter-plate/32386544730.html Actually, maybe not even then.

                          I really hope someone has something better to suggest.

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                          wrote on last edited by NeverDie
                          #29

                          @NeverDie said:

                          It would be a total kludge, but with the right pins and two adapters per radio, it might work: http://www.aliexpress.com/item/1-27MM-2-0MM-2-54MM-8-pin-adapter-plate/32386544730.html Actually, maybe not even then.

                          I really hope someone has something better to suggest.

                          Amazingly, the idea actually does work. Somebody with the same desperate need already did it:
                          https://www.gorilladistribution.com.au/product/prototyping-adapter-kit-for-hoperf-modules/

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                            #30

                            This guy demonstrates how it can be done using protoboard: http://jdesbonnet.blogspot.com/2014/12/experiments-with-rfm69-433mhz-digital.html

                            but it was nasty looking, so he later spun his own PCB.

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                              Here's another option: https://github.com/uChip/RFM69W_BOB

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                                And this one which is interesting as it adapts the RFM to an NRF pinout: https://hallard.me/rfm12b-breakout/ which could be very useful to use boards like the Sensebender with and RFM69.

                                Cheers
                                Al

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                                • scalzS scalz

                                  @NeverDie : hi. look at here if you want http://forum.mysensors.org/topic/1419/sensor-board-with-booster-and-supervisor. it is not updated yet. I will do soon. I am waiting for my second batch as I had some mistakes. I have to wait two weeks to receive; I can't wait!

                                  you will be able to solder what you need. dc booster can provide constant voltage even if battery is low. it will be possible to solder just some parts, it depends what you will need. I have made a version with nrf_smd+rfm69 footprints too.
                                  I think I will like it. Maybe others...
                                  It is opensource so you will be able too build it.
                                  Note: on overview this is not the pro mini I use (I have not the good 3d model). I use these http://s.click.aliexpress.com/e/feUvNFufi

                                  Too bad I didn't see the MYSXConnector before. Next time I will take care :wink:

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                                  @scalz said:

                                  @NeverDie : hi. look at here if you want http://forum.mysensors.org/topic/1419/sensor-board-with-booster-and-supervisor. it is not updated yet. I will do soon. I am waiting for my second batch as I had some mistakes. I have to wait two weeks to receive; I can't wait!

                                  you will be able to solder what you need. dc booster can provide constant voltage even if battery is low. it will be possible to solder just some parts, it depends what you will need. I have made a version with nrf_smd+rfm69 footprints too.
                                  I think I will like it. Maybe others...
                                  It is opensource so you will be able too build it.

                                  Have you picked out a box yet for mounting it in, and do they mate well? As corny as it sounds, having the total solution can really tip the scales toward your solution. If I go the hybrid route (two different kinds of radios), I think I might find this quite attractive.

                                  Note: on overview this is not the pro mini I use (I have not the good 3d model). I use these http://s.click.aliexpress.com/e/feUvNFufi

                                  Good to know, because that's exactly the source I was thinking of too!

                                  Too bad I didn't see the MYSXConnector before. Next time I will take care :wink:

                                  How does MYSX connector relate to this?

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                                    And this one which is interesting as it adapts the RFM to an NRF pinout: https://hallard.me/rfm12b-breakout/ which could be very useful to use boards like the Sensebender with and RFM69.

                                    Cheers
                                    Al

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                                    #34

                                    @Sparkman said:

                                    And this one which is interesting as it adapts the RFM to an NRF pinout: https://hallard.me/rfm12b-breakout/ which could be very useful to use boards like the Sensebender with and RFM69.

                                    Cheers
                                    Al

                                    That's interesting: judging from the photos apparently only 9 pins on the RFM69HW are used in the hookup. Maybe that's why loosing 2 pins to make a RFM69CW is no big deal....

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                                      Argh!!!! Apparently the RFM69CW has the same stupid 2.0mm pin spacing as the RFM69W.

                                      As crude as it sounds, maybe all that's required in bending some pins: http://jeelabs.net/boards/6/topics/1012

                                      So, the above pin bending would work for at least the RFM69CW.

                                      Actually, for the RFM69W, I'd apparently only need be concerned about bending the 9 pins that actually get used....

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                                        @NeverDie :
                                        You are right. On my non-updated overview it is corny. But I have already rounded corners. And I have only one hole for screw (3mm). It is very difficult to add others because of size and component placement. But I will see later if it is a problem.
                                        You can have a look here of what I have sent to fabhouse:
                                        https://raw.githubusercontent.com/scalz/MySensors-HW/development/PowerManagementMysensors/img/top.png
                                        https://raw.githubusercontent.com/scalz/MySensors-HW/development/PowerManagementMysensors/img/bottom.png

                                        For the box, I didn't find enclosures which make me happy because of available size. It is so rectangular. Not beautiful. So I am planning to buy a 3d printer and make my own encosure based on my board. Then share my design...as I have others cool boards in project.

                                        Yes I am using same pro mini source as yours:wink:
                                        For MYSXConnector, I said this because I read this topic http://forum.mysensors.org/topic/1796/unnamed-project-usb-hub-stick . So next time, I will take care about this if possible, as I am working for me and for community too.

                                        If it is just a breakout that you are searching for, links above are interesting. I talked with Charles from hallard.me . He is doing very great job. I am a big fan! and his ulpnode will be released soon I think. Can't wait to buy one to support his work!
                                        In my side, I wanted something different (no sensors already mounted, modularity, signing and ota Mysensors feature ...). So I did mine. And Charles have gracefully proposed me to help to make my board compatible with his upcoming ultra low power lib. And it will be Mysensors compatible too. So coool!

                                        I think you will have a lot of choice...

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                                          @NeverDie :
                                          You are right. On my non-updated overview it is corny. But I have already rounded corners. And I have only one hole for screw (3mm). It is very difficult to add others because of size and component placement. But I will see later if it is a problem.
                                          You can have a look here of what I have sent to fabhouse:
                                          https://raw.githubusercontent.com/scalz/MySensors-HW/development/PowerManagementMysensors/img/top.png
                                          https://raw.githubusercontent.com/scalz/MySensors-HW/development/PowerManagementMysensors/img/bottom.png

                                          For the box, I didn't find enclosures which make me happy because of available size. It is so rectangular. Not beautiful. So I am planning to buy a 3d printer and make my own encosure based on my board. Then share my design...as I have others cool boards in project.

                                          Yes I am using same pro mini source as yours:wink:
                                          For MYSXConnector, I said this because I read this topic http://forum.mysensors.org/topic/1796/unnamed-project-usb-hub-stick . So next time, I will take care about this if possible, as I am working for me and for community too.

                                          If it is just a breakout that you are searching for, links above are interesting. I talked with Charles from hallard.me . He is doing very great job. I am a big fan! and his ulpnode will be released soon I think. Can't wait to buy one to support his work!
                                          In my side, I wanted something different (no sensors already mounted, modularity, signing and ota Mysensors feature ...). So I did mine. And Charles have gracefully proposed me to help to make my board compatible with his upcoming ultra low power lib. And it will be Mysensors compatible too. So coool!

                                          I think you will have a lot of choice...

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                                          @scalz said:

                                          @NeverDie :
                                          You are right. On my non-updated overview it is corny. But I have already rounded corners. And I have only one hole for screw (3mm). It is very difficult to add others because of size and component placement. But I will see later if it is a problem.
                                          You can have a look here of what I have sent to fabhouse:
                                          https://raw.githubusercontent.com/scalz/MySensors-HW/development/PowerManagementMysensors/img/top.png
                                          https://raw.githubusercontent.com/scalz/MySensors-HW/development/PowerManagementMysensors/img/bottom.png

                                          For the box, I didn't find enclosures which make me happy because of available size. It is so rectangular. Not beautiful. So I am planning to buy a 3d printer and make my own encosure based on my board. Then share my design...as I have others cool boards in project.

                                          Yes I am using same pro mini source as yours:wink:
                                          For MYSXConnector, I said this because I read this topic http://forum.mysensors.org/topic/1796/unnamed-project-usb-hub-stick . So next time, I will take care about this if possible, as I am working for me and for community too.

                                          If it is just a breakout that you are searching for, links above are interesting. I talked with Charles from hallard.me . He is doing very great job. I am a big fan! and his ulpnode will be released soon I think. Can't wait to buy one to support his work!
                                          In my side, I wanted something different (no sensors already mounted, modularity, signing and ota Mysensors feature ...). So I did mine. And Charles have gracefully proposed me to help to make my board compatible with his upcoming ultra low power lib. And it will be Mysensors compatible too. So coool!

                                          I think you will have a lot of choice...

                                          Not many people are going to custom print their box enclosure. You might, because you're invested in it. If you want others to use it too, consider instead first finding a good, small, inexpensive box from China that's easy to source from different suppliers to house it all in, and then work backward from that. So, for instance, there should be screw holes in your board over whatever standoffs there are in the box. Then, each end user doesn't have to scratch their head and waste time doing an independent search for what box to use to house your board. That part is known as the outset, and you can have links to Ebay and/or AliExpress on where to get it.

                                          FWIW, from an end user perspective, that's what most people will want: an easy and inexpensive and total solution. Not to be left dangling after being painted into a corner.

                                          Either that, or plan on selling your custom box along with your custom board, so at least the shipping can be combined. I imagine it will be tough competing with China though... :smirk:

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