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Can please someone check if my schema for RFM69 is right?

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    sineverba
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    wrote on last edited by sineverba
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    Hi,
    I did print a PCB for breakout for the RFM69HW/W.

    They cannot communicate.

    They are powered, init'd but they don't communicate.

    GND are both Layer top and layer bottom, not rastend for clarity, but all GND are wired. Oh, I did not soldered the caps, but of course the path is not broken.

    Could you please see if my schema is right? If I did some mistake on wiring?
    Thank you!
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    Ratnested

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      • S sineverba

        Hi,
        I did print a PCB for breakout for the RFM69HW/W.

        They cannot communicate.

        They are powered, init'd but they don't communicate.

        GND are both Layer top and layer bottom, not rastend for clarity, but all GND are wired. Oh, I did not soldered the caps, but of course the path is not broken.

        Could you please see if my schema is right? If I did some mistake on wiring?
        Thank you!
        alt text

        Ratnested

        alt text

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        gohan
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        @sineverba said in Can please someone check if my schema for RFM69 is right?:

        GND are both Layer top and layer bottom, not rastend for clarity, but all GND are wired.

        @DavidZH

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        • S sineverba

          Hi,
          I did print a PCB for breakout for the RFM69HW/W.

          They cannot communicate.

          They are powered, init'd but they don't communicate.

          GND are both Layer top and layer bottom, not rastend for clarity, but all GND are wired. Oh, I did not soldered the caps, but of course the path is not broken.

          Could you please see if my schema is right? If I did some mistake on wiring?
          Thank you!
          alt text

          Ratnested

          alt text

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          sundberg84
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          wrote on last edited by sundberg84
          #4

          @sineverba it looks fine, but as we don't see what you connect this to from the pinheaders its only half of your connections. The board looks fine but it could be the other end (MCU side) that is wrong as well?

          Also, in my experience you need a good antenna on both GW and nodes to even get a communication. Once the communication is up its solid but it took med some time as well to establish. I dont know if the antenna-trace might be acting as a antenna as well?

          Maybe you could post pictures of your breakout attached to the MCU and also logs from GW and node.

          Controller: Proxmox VM - Home Assistant
          MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - W5100 Ethernet, Gw Shield Nrf24l01+ 2,4Ghz
          MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - Gw Shield RFM69, 433mhz
          RFLink GW - Arduino Mega + RFLink Shield, 433mhz

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            I already checked with him, there is no comm at all like if you disconnect the DI0 pin

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            • sundberg84S sundberg84

              @sineverba it looks fine, but as we don't see what you connect this to from the pinheaders its only half of your connections. The board looks fine but it could be the other end (MCU side) that is wrong as well?

              Also, in my experience you need a good antenna on both GW and nodes to even get a communication. Once the communication is up its solid but it took med some time as well to establish. I dont know if the antenna-trace might be acting as a antenna as well?

              Maybe you could post pictures of your breakout attached to the MCU and also logs from GW and node.

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              sineverba
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              wrote on last edited by sineverba
              #6

              @sundberg84
              MCU side very spaghettish...... of course I'm using 2xlogic converter (every one has only 4 gates).

              Btw, this is the picture:

              Level shifter schema (only UNO + level shifter, the antenna is ofc connected as my breakboard)

              alt text

              alt text

              I did try Powerlab library, no result at all.

              I'm trying to communicate PI1 with amplified + sma antenna and Arduino with not amplified. This last one I did try with small antenna, a 17cm wire and finally a SMA 3db. No test went well.

              These are the PI1 logs:

              Apr 13 22:38:59 INFO  Starting gateway...
              Apr 13 22:38:59 INFO  Protocol version - 2.3.0-alpha
              Apr 13 22:38:59 DEBUG MCO:BGN:INIT GW,CP=RPNGL---,VER=2.3.0-alpha
              Apr 13 22:38:59 DEBUG TSF:LRT:OK
              Apr 13 22:38:59 DEBUG TSM:INIT
              Apr 13 22:38:59 DEBUG TSF:WUR:MS=0
              Apr 13 22:38:59 DEBUG TSM:INIT:TSP OK
              Apr 13 22:38:59 DEBUG TSM:INIT:GW MODE
              Apr 13 22:38:59 DEBUG TSM:READY:ID=0,PAR=0,DIS=0
              Apr 13 22:38:59 DEBUG MCO:REG:NOT NEEDED
              Apr 13 22:38:59 DEBUG Listening for connections on 0.0.0.0:5003
              Apr 13 22:38:59 DEBUG MCO:BGN:STP
              Apr 13 22:38:59 DEBUG MCO:BGN:INIT OK,TSP=1
              Apr 13 22:39:06 DEBUG New connection from 127.0.0.1
              Apr 13 22:39:06 DEBUG GWT:TSA:C=0,CONNECTED
              

              And this is the UNO log:

              16 MCO:BGN:INIT NODE,CP=RPNNA---,VER=2.2.0
              25 TSM:INIT
              26 TSF:WUR:MS=10000
              28 RFM69:INIT
              29 RFM69:INIT:PIN,CS=10,IQP=2,IQN=0
              33 RFM69:PTX:LEVEL=5 dBm
              35 TSM:INIT:TSP OK
              38 TSM:FPAR
              39 RFM69:SWR:SEND,TO=255,RETRY=0
              49 TSF:MSG:SEND,255-255-255-255,s=255,c=3,t=7,pt=0,l=0,sg=0,ft=0,st=OK:
              2058 !TSM:FPAR:NO REPLY
              2060 TSM:FPAR
              2062 RFM69:SWR:SEND,TO=255,RETRY=0
              2079 TSF:MSG:SEND,255-255-255-255,s=255,c=3,t=7,pt=0,l=0,sg=0,ft=0,st=OK:
              4087 !TSM:FPAR:NO REPLY
              4089 TSM:FPAR
              4091 RFM69:SWR:SEND,TO=255,RETRY=0
              4110 TSF:MSG:SEND,255-255-255-255,s=255,c=3,t=7,pt=0,l=0,sg=0,ft=0,st=OK:
              6117 !TSM:FPAR:NO REPLY
              6119 TSM:FPAR
              6120 RFM69:SWR:SEND,TO=255,RETRY=0
              6141 TSF:MSG:SEND,255-255-255-255,s=255,c=3,t=7,pt=0,l=0,sg=0,ft=0,st=OK:
              8150 !TSM:FPAR:FAIL
              

              These are the first antennas on not-amplified that I did test:

              https://it.aliexpress.com/item/10PCS-433MHZ-Helical-Antenna-for-Arduino-Remote-Control/32658843549.html?spm=2114.13010708.0.0.HUeKNs and this is new antenna on gateway / amplified radio (and now also on the NOT amplified:)

              https://it.aliexpress.com/item/1-pz-433-Mhz-Antenna-Sma-Maschio-Connetcor-3dbi-Gomma-Antenna-11-cm/32840921136.html?spm=2114.13010708.0.0.9l4abn

              On the evening, I will try with ESP8266, so I can eliminate that logic converters and try directly with 3v3...

              My thought is that antenna are not 433 (but they are clever labeled as 433)

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                @sundberg84
                MCU side very spaghettish...... of course I'm using 2xlogic converter (every one has only 4 gates).

                Btw, this is the picture:

                Level shifter schema (only UNO + level shifter, the antenna is ofc connected as my breakboard)

                alt text

                alt text

                I did try Powerlab library, no result at all.

                I'm trying to communicate PI1 with amplified + sma antenna and Arduino with not amplified. This last one I did try with small antenna, a 17cm wire and finally a SMA 3db. No test went well.

                These are the PI1 logs:

                Apr 13 22:38:59 INFO  Starting gateway...
                Apr 13 22:38:59 INFO  Protocol version - 2.3.0-alpha
                Apr 13 22:38:59 DEBUG MCO:BGN:INIT GW,CP=RPNGL---,VER=2.3.0-alpha
                Apr 13 22:38:59 DEBUG TSF:LRT:OK
                Apr 13 22:38:59 DEBUG TSM:INIT
                Apr 13 22:38:59 DEBUG TSF:WUR:MS=0
                Apr 13 22:38:59 DEBUG TSM:INIT:TSP OK
                Apr 13 22:38:59 DEBUG TSM:INIT:GW MODE
                Apr 13 22:38:59 DEBUG TSM:READY:ID=0,PAR=0,DIS=0
                Apr 13 22:38:59 DEBUG MCO:REG:NOT NEEDED
                Apr 13 22:38:59 DEBUG Listening for connections on 0.0.0.0:5003
                Apr 13 22:38:59 DEBUG MCO:BGN:STP
                Apr 13 22:38:59 DEBUG MCO:BGN:INIT OK,TSP=1
                Apr 13 22:39:06 DEBUG New connection from 127.0.0.1
                Apr 13 22:39:06 DEBUG GWT:TSA:C=0,CONNECTED
                

                And this is the UNO log:

                16 MCO:BGN:INIT NODE,CP=RPNNA---,VER=2.2.0
                25 TSM:INIT
                26 TSF:WUR:MS=10000
                28 RFM69:INIT
                29 RFM69:INIT:PIN,CS=10,IQP=2,IQN=0
                33 RFM69:PTX:LEVEL=5 dBm
                35 TSM:INIT:TSP OK
                38 TSM:FPAR
                39 RFM69:SWR:SEND,TO=255,RETRY=0
                49 TSF:MSG:SEND,255-255-255-255,s=255,c=3,t=7,pt=0,l=0,sg=0,ft=0,st=OK:
                2058 !TSM:FPAR:NO REPLY
                2060 TSM:FPAR
                2062 RFM69:SWR:SEND,TO=255,RETRY=0
                2079 TSF:MSG:SEND,255-255-255-255,s=255,c=3,t=7,pt=0,l=0,sg=0,ft=0,st=OK:
                4087 !TSM:FPAR:NO REPLY
                4089 TSM:FPAR
                4091 RFM69:SWR:SEND,TO=255,RETRY=0
                4110 TSF:MSG:SEND,255-255-255-255,s=255,c=3,t=7,pt=0,l=0,sg=0,ft=0,st=OK:
                6117 !TSM:FPAR:NO REPLY
                6119 TSM:FPAR
                6120 RFM69:SWR:SEND,TO=255,RETRY=0
                6141 TSF:MSG:SEND,255-255-255-255,s=255,c=3,t=7,pt=0,l=0,sg=0,ft=0,st=OK:
                8150 !TSM:FPAR:FAIL
                

                These are the first antennas on not-amplified that I did test:

                https://it.aliexpress.com/item/10PCS-433MHZ-Helical-Antenna-for-Arduino-Remote-Control/32658843549.html?spm=2114.13010708.0.0.HUeKNs and this is new antenna on gateway / amplified radio (and now also on the NOT amplified:)

                https://it.aliexpress.com/item/1-pz-433-Mhz-Antenna-Sma-Maschio-Connetcor-3dbi-Gomma-Antenna-11-cm/32840921136.html?spm=2114.13010708.0.0.9l4abn

                On the evening, I will try with ESP8266, so I can eliminate that logic converters and try directly with 3v3...

                My thought is that antenna are not 433 (but they are clever labeled as 433)

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                @sineverba - 1 rule of debugging, remove as much as possible.
                Can you try to use a 3.3v MCU directly with your breakout board? That way you can eliminate that the problem might be level shifting and work down the wiring to a minimum?

                Controller: Proxmox VM - Home Assistant
                MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - W5100 Ethernet, Gw Shield Nrf24l01+ 2,4Ghz
                MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - Gw Shield RFM69, 433mhz
                RFLink GW - Arduino Mega + RFLink Shield, 433mhz

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                • sundberg84S sundberg84

                  @sineverba - 1 rule of debugging, remove as much as possible.
                  Can you try to use a 3.3v MCU directly with your breakout board? That way you can eliminate that the problem might be level shifting and work down the wiring to a minimum?

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                  @sundberg84 said in Can please someone check if my schema for RFM69 is right?:

                  @sineverba - 1 rule of debugging, remove as much as possible.
                  Can you try to use a 3.3v MCU directly with your breakout board? That way you can eliminate that the problem might be level shifting and work down the wiring to a minimum?

                  sure golden rule.
                  It works. Now it works. Directly on a 3v3 mini. Removed all level shifter. Now it works.
                  Thank you for the support!

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