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  • petoulachiP Offline
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    petoulachi
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    #335

    Started to solder my 6 sensebender. I've noticed that if I set it to 1Mhz directly, the sensor cannot register itself on the gateway (but unfortunately I dont know why because there's no serial). Putting it at 8Mhz, being detected by the GW with an ID, and I can set it back to 1mhz. Weird.

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      #336

      Oh and BTW, which boxes are you using with your Sensebender ? I guess it's maybe the most difficult part of the entire project, finding the perfect box :D

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        No, finding a box is the easiest part. This is the "box" for my outdoor temperature. :satisfied:
        sensebender.jpg

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        • hekH Offline
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          hek
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          Wonder how well the hum-sensors work in that enclosure :)

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            finge
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            Hmm, would Gore-Tex work? I will try find a Gore-Tex bag for the next version :)

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            • F Fabien

              @5546dug said:

              @fabian how is the box working out were there any mods and are the stl files ready yet?

              Sorry, my 3D printer is out of service, I'm waiting for chinese parts ... I will post correct STL files in 1 or 2 weeks.

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              @Fabien said:

              @5546dug said:

              @fabian how is the box working out were there any mods and are the stl files ready yet?

              Sorry, my 3D printer is out of service, I'm waiting for chinese parts ... I will post correct STL files in 1 or 2 weeks.

              @Fabien @5546dug
              Hi, any news on this please? I would be good to get a box by Christmas.

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              • petoulachiP petoulachi

                Oh and BTW, which boxes are you using with your Sensebender ? I guess it's maybe the most difficult part of the entire project, finding the perfect box :D

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                @petoulachi

                The sketch have improved a lot since we released the sensebender, mostly on determining when to power up the radio and transmit. This should save more power. I've got one running with latest development, without hiccups for the last couple of months (it also have Ota fw upgrade enabled by default now).

                So if you are "adventurous" I would recommend to put that into your sensebenders

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                • petoulachiP Offline
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                  #342

                  I am adventurous !

                  Were can I find the beta version of the sketch ?

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                    https://github.com/mysensors/Arduino/tree/development/libraries/MySensors/examples/SensebenderMicro

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                    • petoulachiP Offline
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                      #344

                      Thanks !

                      I took a look at the sketch, I didn't know there was a presentation() method to implement to present the different sensor's ID; is this new ? when is it called? I guess after setup() ?

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                      • petoulachiP petoulachi

                        Thanks !

                        I took a look at the sketch, I didn't know there was a presentation() method to implement to present the different sensor's ID; is this new ? when is it called? I guess after setup() ?

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                        tbowmo
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                        @petoulachi

                        That's a part of the development. Things are re-arranged in the sketches, to make things more configurable (from within the sketch itself).

                        It will be part of the next release (I don't know when that is happening)

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                          #346

                          Ok, related to MySensors 1.6 tehen, that explain why I never seen this !

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                            HI, I'm about to experiment with a modded version of the sensebender and I while looking at the schematics of the original sensebender, I see that the crystal does not have any pf capasitors and not connected to GND. Why is that?

                            All other schematics of atmega or any microprocessor I've seen has dual 22pf caps over the crystal and connected to ground.

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                              @Magnus-Pernemark

                              The sensebender was designed to use a 32Khz oscillator for lowpower operation. According to the datasheet (page 33) it is not necessary to have external load capacitors if the crystals datasheet specifies cL below 6pF.

                              However, we decided early on that an external crystal is not necessary in our application. So that is why it is not mounted, but the pads are still there, in case someone would use it.

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                              • tbowmoT tbowmo

                                @Magnus-Pernemark

                                The sensebender was designed to use a 32Khz oscillator for lowpower operation. According to the datasheet (page 33) it is not necessary to have external load capacitors if the crystals datasheet specifies cL below 6pF.

                                However, we decided early on that an external crystal is not necessary in our application. So that is why it is not mounted, but the pads are still there, in case someone would use it.

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                                @tbowmo Thanks! Yes. I read that it was not needed, but since it said "if you want higher precision" I though that, higher is good, and it would not hurt to place one there. But the crystals I have are 12.5pf so I guess I can't use them, but on the other hand I don't need to buy any other

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                                  #350

                                  Did someone "test" the humidity precision of the Si7021on the sensbender? Of corse the datasheet says max 3% off but how reliable is that?

                                  I have other sensors here and they differ by about 10%. So I did a "Salt-Calibration-Test" and there my two sensbenders or better Si7021 are 6% over the reference value. They report 81% and it should be 75%.

                                  Note: It's my first time that I performed this test and I'm not 100% sure that the (water-salt-ratio) is correct - thats why I'm interested if someone else tested the values?

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                                    @nivoc

                                    Salt and electronics isn't a good combination, it will cause corrosion of the copper tracks..

                                    Just to warn you a little bit :)

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                                      @tbowmo Thanks. No worries the electronic won't touch the salt or water. The salt/water is just within the same closed container to bring the enclosed air to exactly 75.3% rel hum (at 25C).

                                      I followed this howto: But there are many other similar ones.
                                      http://www.kingofthehouse.com/hygrometer/

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                                      • nivocN nivoc

                                        @tbowmo Thanks. No worries the electronic won't touch the salt or water. The salt/water is just within the same closed container to bring the enclosed air to exactly 75.3% rel hum (at 25C).

                                        I followed this howto: But there are many other similar ones.
                                        http://www.kingofthehouse.com/hygrometer/

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                                        @nivoc I setup several sensebenders on battery last summer and noticed they were a few % below two dht22 I had been running for months. I did the saturated salt test on three sensebenders with one dht22 and one mechanical hygrometer and the sensebenders all read 74-75% while the DHT and hygrometer read 78-80%. Not a perfect test and i dont know which devices were correct but one thing I noticed was the sensebenders consistently provided the same result across different devices. Relative humidity is relative.

                                        Veralite UI5 :: IBoard Ethernet GW :: MyS 1.5

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                                          @Dwalt
                                          Thanks for the info. I'm currently opening the box every several hours to test the salt soup. My room has something between 50 and 60 rel. (so below 75). And every time I open the box this (see pic). It drops and goes back up to 82 or 83. Than it stabilizes there over the next couple hours. There are two sensbenders in the box - thats what the two line are. And yes they are remarkable equal. But it always goes to 82 - i would hope for 75. But I will repeat this procedure until it starts to stabilizes after every opening a little bit below the value that was there before the opening. Because if that happens i am below the dry point and than I will test in a room with humidity higher than 80 and test if soup can do the same into the other direction and holds it stable for many openings. THAN i know that the salt is performing is job correctly and know that the test is good and the senbender is wrong :-) or hopefully I learn the opposite.

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