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Direct Node to Node communications with Signing

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  • B BenCranston

    @Anticimex Excellent, I'll apply the changes manually. I think I understand the process. I'm planning on adding the additional signing presentation call toward the other node in the presentation section of my sketch right after the regular "present()" calls. Will I need to have both nodes present to each other, or will the single call kick it into motion for bi-directional communications?

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    Anticimex
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    @BenCranston If you want signed messages in both directions, they both need to present themselves to each other. This is because you would otherwise get a loop where both sketches respond to a presentation with their own presentation.
    In general, a node that has any requirements with respect to security, has to present this to any other node it expect to follow these requirements. The only exception is node/gw relationships which is handled automatically by the node2gw presentation done by the library.
    It is safe to keep the node<->node signing presentation calls no matter what security requirements you enable. The function will always take care of presenting the current config. So you can still do a signerPresentation() even if you do not require any signatures/whitelisting and even if you don't support signing at all.

    Do you feel secure today? No? Start requiring some signatures and feel better tomorrow ;)

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      @BenCranston If you want signed messages in both directions, they both need to present themselves to each other. This is because you would otherwise get a loop where both sketches respond to a presentation with their own presentation.
      In general, a node that has any requirements with respect to security, has to present this to any other node it expect to follow these requirements. The only exception is node/gw relationships which is handled automatically by the node2gw presentation done by the library.
      It is safe to keep the node<->node signing presentation calls no matter what security requirements you enable. The function will always take care of presenting the current config. So you can still do a signerPresentation() even if you do not require any signatures/whitelisting and even if you don't support signing at all.

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      Mr.Osaka
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      @Anticimex I have a similar problem with my project of a thermostat. I use softsigned messages. I communicate from thermostat-node the aperture of valve to the valve-controller-node via gateway, but the message is not signed.
      here I wrote the sketch and logs.
      I also tried with MY_SECURE_NODE_WHITELISTING, but without results.

      Is possible use this scenario with the stable branch?

      Thanks for your help

      Stefano

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      • M Mr.Osaka

        @Anticimex I have a similar problem with my project of a thermostat. I use softsigned messages. I communicate from thermostat-node the aperture of valve to the valve-controller-node via gateway, but the message is not signed.
        here I wrote the sketch and logs.
        I also tried with MY_SECURE_NODE_WHITELISTING, but without results.

        Is possible use this scenario with the stable branch?

        Thanks for your help

        Stefano

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        Anticimex
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        @Mr.Osaka there won't be any feature development of signing on stable brach except for eat eventually will come from development. But technically you should be able to send a signing requirement message from one node to another yourself to inform the nodes about who require signing and who does not.

        Do you feel secure today? No? Start requiring some signatures and feel better tomorrow ;)

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          @Mr.Osaka there won't be any feature development of signing on stable brach except for eat eventually will come from development. But technically you should be able to send a signing requirement message from one node to another yourself to inform the nodes about who require signing and who does not.

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          @Anticimex thanks for the answer

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          • M Mr.Osaka

            @Anticimex thanks for the answer

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            @Mr.Osaka
            Not necessarily complicated (but untested).
            Try this:

            sendRoute(build(<message buffer>, <your nodeid>, <destination nodeid>, NODE_SENSOR_ID, C_INTERNAL, I_REQUEST_SIGNING, false).set(true));
            

            This should be sent from the node that expect signed messages to the node that should sign messages.

            Do you feel secure today? No? Start requiring some signatures and feel better tomorrow ;)

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              @Mr.Osaka
              Not necessarily complicated (but untested).
              Try this:

              sendRoute(build(<message buffer>, <your nodeid>, <destination nodeid>, NODE_SENSOR_ID, C_INTERNAL, I_REQUEST_SIGNING, false).set(true));
              

              This should be sent from the node that expect signed messages to the node that should sign messages.

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              @Anticimex said:

              @Mr.Osaka
              Not necessarily complicated (but untested).

              :relaxed: unfortunately my knowledge of C are very superficial

              I do not know if I found the right place to put code:

              #ifdef MY_SIGNING_FEATURE
              		// Notify gateway (and possibly controller) about the signing preferences of this node
              		//sendRoute(build(msg, nc.nodeId, GATEWAY_ADDRESS, NODE_SENSOR_ID, C_INTERNAL, I_REQUEST_SIGNING, false).set(signer.requestSignatures()));
              		// STEF INSERT
              		sendRoute(build(msg, 143, 200, NODE_SENSOR_ID, C_INTERNAL, I_REQUEST_SIGNING, false).set(true));
              

              unfortunately it was not successful

              To probe, I set the node that receives the signed message as a repeater and I forced the transmitting node to become a child of this node.

              to explain
              Before
              A ----> GW -----> B
              now
              A ----> B ----> GW
              it was not successful too.

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              • M Mr.Osaka

                @Anticimex said:

                @Mr.Osaka
                Not necessarily complicated (but untested).

                :relaxed: unfortunately my knowledge of C are very superficial

                I do not know if I found the right place to put code:

                #ifdef MY_SIGNING_FEATURE
                		// Notify gateway (and possibly controller) about the signing preferences of this node
                		//sendRoute(build(msg, nc.nodeId, GATEWAY_ADDRESS, NODE_SENSOR_ID, C_INTERNAL, I_REQUEST_SIGNING, false).set(signer.requestSignatures()));
                		// STEF INSERT
                		sendRoute(build(msg, 143, 200, NODE_SENSOR_ID, C_INTERNAL, I_REQUEST_SIGNING, false).set(true));
                

                unfortunately it was not successful

                To probe, I set the node that receives the signed message as a repeater and I forced the transmitting node to become a child of this node.

                to explain
                Before
                A ----> GW -----> B
                now
                A ----> B ----> GW
                it was not successful too.

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                @Mr.Osaka you do this once in your sketch during "boot up". Not inside the library.

                Do you feel secure today? No? Start requiring some signatures and feel better tomorrow ;)

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                • AnticimexA Anticimex

                  @Mr.Osaka you do this once in your sketch during "boot up". Not inside the library.

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                  @Anticimex
                  I have put at end of setup(), but I have compile errors

                  /home/stef/Dropbox/Progetti/Thermostat.MySensor-v0.04/Thermostat.MySensor-v0.04.ino: In function 'void setup()':
                  Thermostat.MySensor-v0.04:192: error: 'build' was not declared in this scope
                     sendRoute(build(msgHeater, 143, 200, NODE_SENSOR_ID, C_INTERNAL, I_REQUEST_SIGNING, false).set(true));
                                                                                                              ^
                  Thermostat.MySensor-v0.04:192: error: 'sendRoute' was not declared in this scope
                     sendRoute(build(msgHeater, 143, 200, NODE_SENSOR_ID, C_INTERNAL, I_REQUEST_SIGNING, false).set(true));
                  

                  And what do you mean by <message buffer>?

                  MyMessage msgHeater(CHILD_ID_HVAC, V_STATUS);
                  

                  msgHeater is <message buffer>?

                  ps: sorry for my essential english

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                  • M Mr.Osaka

                    @Anticimex
                    I have put at end of setup(), but I have compile errors

                    /home/stef/Dropbox/Progetti/Thermostat.MySensor-v0.04/Thermostat.MySensor-v0.04.ino: In function 'void setup()':
                    Thermostat.MySensor-v0.04:192: error: 'build' was not declared in this scope
                       sendRoute(build(msgHeater, 143, 200, NODE_SENSOR_ID, C_INTERNAL, I_REQUEST_SIGNING, false).set(true));
                                                                                                                ^
                    Thermostat.MySensor-v0.04:192: error: 'sendRoute' was not declared in this scope
                       sendRoute(build(msgHeater, 143, 200, NODE_SENSOR_ID, C_INTERNAL, I_REQUEST_SIGNING, false).set(true));
                    

                    And what do you mean by <message buffer>?

                    MyMessage msgHeater(CHILD_ID_HVAC, V_STATUS);
                    

                    msgHeater is <message buffer>?

                    ps: sorry for my essential english

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                    @Mr.Osaka yes, well, you can either reuse that buffer or create a new one in the same way. Just make sure if you reuse the buffer that you need to make sure it contain the proper data before you use it the next time. The build function is used internally in the library to initiate a message buffer. It might not be available for use in a sketch. You can either use a constructor to initialize a new buffer with the proper settings, or manipulate ab existing buffer to get the data in the message using the api in MyMessage.h

                    Do you feel secure today? No? Start requiring some signatures and feel better tomorrow ;)

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                      Mr.Osaka
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                      Tank's for help and your great work.
                      I will learn C.
                      At the moment is more important my entire project, i wait the next release of MySensors.

                      I will publish soon a "resilient" Thermostat.

                      By,
                      Stefano

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                      • M Mr.Osaka

                        Tank's for help and your great work.
                        I will learn C.
                        At the moment is more important my entire project, i wait the next release of MySensors.

                        I will publish soon a "resilient" Thermostat.

                        By,
                        Stefano

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                        @Mr.Osaka no worries. Thank you. Yes, the signing solution on development branch (which will be part of the next major release) is much easier to work with. Both with personalization, use and any maintenance required. It will also make node to node signing easier to initiate.

                        Do you feel secure today? No? Start requiring some signatures and feel better tomorrow ;)

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