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ST=Fail unless I'm watching it

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  • jerseyguy1996J Offline
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    jerseyguy1996
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    #2

    Well the pictures don't seem to show up.

    These links should work. The pictures in order:

    https://flic.kr/p/J3dw4Z

    https://flic.kr/p/J3dvfe

    https://flic.kr/p/J3dwQZ

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    • jerseyguy1996J jerseyguy1996

      Well the pictures don't seem to show up.

      These links should work. The pictures in order:

      https://flic.kr/p/J3dw4Z

      https://flic.kr/p/J3dvfe

      https://flic.kr/p/J3dwQZ

      AWIA Offline
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      AWI
      Hero Member
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      @jerseyguy1996 I can hardly read the pictures. you can copy/paste the images in your posting. Screencopy - I usually use the 'snipping tool' in Windows.

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      • jerseyguy1996J jerseyguy1996

        Okay that subject could probably use some work but hopefully I can explain things. I have a Raspberry PI 3 running PiGatewaySerial, and I have an arduino running the BinarySwitchSensor example code. When I first started the code I was getting ST=Fail about 90 percent of the time.

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        The image shows the serial monitor for the arduino on the right side of the picture and the terminal window for the Raspberry Pi on the left.

        Just to check the operation of the radios I ran the "gettingstarted" sketch in the RF24 library on both the raspberry pi and the arduino. The picture below shows that the radios are purring along like a kitten. No missed transmissions.

        alt text

        On a whim I decided to view the output of the ttyMySensorsGateway while the PiGatewaySerial process was running and suddenly it started working. What's more whacky, if I stopped watching the ttyMySensorsGateway it would start missing transmissions again. Then when I started watching it would start working.

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        I don't know nearly enough about the inner workings of the library to know where to even begin figuring out the source of this behavior. Any hints as to why it might be doing this?

        AWIA Offline
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        #4

        @jerseyguy1996 the 'fail' messages occur when the serial gateway does not acknowledge the send. I assume when you are 'not watching' the gateway is 'off'. Not that only you a looking in different direction. Although the last would be interesting as a sensor :smile:

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        • jerseyguy1996J jerseyguy1996

          Well the pictures don't seem to show up.

          These links should work. The pictures in order:

          https://flic.kr/p/J3dw4Z

          https://flic.kr/p/J3dvfe

          https://flic.kr/p/J3dwQZ

          sundberg84S Offline
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          sundberg84
          Hardware Contributor
          wrote on last edited by
          #5

          @jerseyguy1996 - "st=fail" means the receiving node or gateway has problems sending ack back to the sending node.

          Its probably a hardware issue (power and/or range). Try adding a capacitor (http://www.mysensors.org/build/connect_radio#connecting-a-decoupling-capacitor) to the receiving radio, change powersource, move receiver/sender closer to eachother or build a repeater.

          Also if you are in the testface and have the node and gateway close to each other it can be the issue. If I only have a couple of meters it performce worse.

          Controller: Proxmox VM - Home Assistant
          MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - W5100 Ethernet, Gw Shield Nrf24l01+ 2,4Ghz
          MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - Gw Shield RFM69, 433mhz
          RFLink GW - Arduino Mega + RFLink Shield, 433mhz

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          • AWIA AWI

            @jerseyguy1996 the 'fail' messages occur when the serial gateway does not acknowledge the send. I assume when you are 'not watching' the gateway is 'off'. Not that only you a looking in different direction. Although the last would be interesting as a sensor :smile:

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            wrote on last edited by jerseyguy1996
            #6

            @AWI Thanks for responding! I wonder if there is a way to confirm that if nothing is actively receiving information from the gateway that it is off. The system definitely works fine when I use cat to redirect the serial gateway traffic to stdout.

            pi@raspberrypi:~ $ sudo cat /dev/ttyUSB20
            0;0;3;0;14;Gateway startup complete.
            255;255;3;0;3;
            255;255;3;0;3;
            255;255;3;0;3;
            255;255;3;0;3;
            255;255;3;0;3;
            255;255;3;0;3;
            255;255;3;0;3;
            255;255;3;0;3;
            255;255;3;0;3;
            255;255;3;0;3;
            

            Prior to the redirect I get st=fail. Below is the serial monitor for the arduino sending.

            send: 255-255-0-0 s=255,c=3,t=3,pt=0,l=0,sg=0,st=fail:
            req id
            send: 255-255-0-0 s=255,c=3,t=3,pt=0,l=0,sg=0,st=fail:
            req id
            send: 255-255-0-0 s=255,c=3,t=3,pt=0,l=0,sg=0,st=fail:
            req id
            send: 255-255-0-0 s=255,c=3,t=3,pt=0,l=0,sg=0,st=ok:
            req id
            send: 255-255-0-0 s=255,c=3,t=3,pt=0,l=0,sg=0,st=ok:
            req id
            send: 255-255-0-0 s=255,c=3,t=3,pt=0,l=0,sg=0,st=ok:
            req id
            send: 255-255-0-0 s=255,c=3,t=3,pt=0,l=0,sg=0,st=ok:
            req id
            send: 255-255-0-0 s=255,c=3,t=3,pt=0,l=0,sg=0,st=ok:
            req id
            send: 255-255-0-0 s=255,c=3,t=3,pt=0,l=0,sg=0,st=ok:
            req id
            send: 255-255-0-0 s=255,c=3,t=3,pt=0,l=0,sg=0,st=ok:
            req id
            send: 255-255-0-0 s=255,c=3,t=3,pt=0,l=0,sg=0,st=ok
            

            So basically it fails a bunch of times and then once I start viewing it on the terminal its good from that point on. The only screwing thing about that is that if i'm not viewing it on the terminal, every so often (roughly 10% of the time) one of the transmissions will succeed. Definitely doesn't seem to be a hardware issue as the thing works great......as long as the serial gateway is redirected to the terminal.

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            • sundberg84S sundberg84

              @jerseyguy1996 - "st=fail" means the receiving node or gateway has problems sending ack back to the sending node.

              Its probably a hardware issue (power and/or range). Try adding a capacitor (http://www.mysensors.org/build/connect_radio#connecting-a-decoupling-capacitor) to the receiving radio, change powersource, move receiver/sender closer to eachother or build a repeater.

              Also if you are in the testface and have the node and gateway close to each other it can be the issue. If I only have a couple of meters it performce worse.

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              @sundberg84 said:

              @jerseyguy1996 - "st=fail" means the receiving node or gateway has problems sending ack back to the sending node.

              Its probably a hardware issue (power and/or range). Try adding a capacitor (http://www.mysensors.org/build/connect_radio#connecting-a-decoupling-capacitor) to the receiving radio, change powersource, move receiver/sender closer to eachother or build a repeater.

              Also if you are in the testface and have the node and gateway close to each other it can be the issue. If I only have a couple of meters it performce worse.

              Thanks for responding! I do have capacitors on both the sending and receiving radios...soldered directly to the pins. It doesn't seem to be hardware as even prior to adding the capacitors the radio was transmitting and receiving reliably using the "gettingstarted" sketch in the RF24 library.

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                @jerseyguy1996 - Do you have a controller behind the gateway? The req ID means the node is asking for a ID from the controller. It looks like the gateway recieves this request but there is no responce.

                Controller: Proxmox VM - Home Assistant
                MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - W5100 Ethernet, Gw Shield Nrf24l01+ 2,4Ghz
                MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - Gw Shield RFM69, 433mhz
                RFLink GW - Arduino Mega + RFLink Shield, 433mhz

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                • sundberg84S sundberg84

                  @jerseyguy1996 - Do you have a controller behind the gateway? The req ID means the node is asking for a ID from the controller. It looks like the gateway recieves this request but there is no responce.

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                  #9

                  @sundberg84 said:

                  @jerseyguy1996 - Do you have a controller behind the gateway? The req ID means the node is asking for a ID from the controller. It looks like the gateway recieves this request but there is no responce.

                  That's a good question. So when I run 'make all' on the mySensors Raspberry repository:

                  https://github.com/mysensors/Raspberry

                  I get two executables. There is the PiGatewaySerial and PiGateway. Do they both need to be running? I may have been under the mistaken impression that you could run one or the other. I'll give it a try.

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                    @jerseyguy1996 - You need one gateway and one controller. The gateway can be in different shapes, like ethernet or serial - i think the one you mention is different gateway. You also need a controller. The gateway is more of the communicatior between nodes and controller, where the controller is the brain and GUI.

                    Controller: Proxmox VM - Home Assistant
                    MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - W5100 Ethernet, Gw Shield Nrf24l01+ 2,4Ghz
                    MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - Gw Shield RFM69, 433mhz
                    RFLink GW - Arduino Mega + RFLink Shield, 433mhz

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                    • sundberg84S sundberg84

                      @jerseyguy1996 - You need one gateway and one controller. The gateway can be in different shapes, like ethernet or serial - i think the one you mention is different gateway. You also need a controller. The gateway is more of the communicatior between nodes and controller, where the controller is the brain and GUI.

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                      @sundberg84 Dang....now I'm really confused. I was under the impression that PIGatewaySerial handled assigning node id's and such. How would I find that out? I don't see a whole lot of documentation on this repository although I'm sure it exists......it seems pretty well built. The end result of all of this is to hopefully bind this serial connection to openhab. That's the goal at least.

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