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NRF24L01 + PA + LNA issue

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  • PetjepetP Petjepet

    Hi,

    I'm trying to replace a NRF24L01+ radio with a NRF24L01 + PA + LNA radio (with the antenna) to achieve a better range.
    The node is working with the NRF24L01+ without any problem.

    I now have tried 3 different NRF24L01+ PA +LNA and still end up with the same issue:

    0 MCO:BGN:INIT NODE,CP=RNNNA--,VER=2.1.1
    3 TSM:INIT
    4 TSF:WUR:MS=0
    11 TSM:INIT:TSP OK
    13 TSF:SID:OK,ID=10
    14 TSM:FPAR
    51 TSF:MSG:SEND,10-10-255-255,s=255,c=3,t=7,pt=0,l=0,sg=0,ft=0,st=OK:
    2058 !TSM:FPAR:NO REPLY
    2060 TSM:FPAR
    2096 TSF:MSG:SEND,10-10-255-255,s=255,c=3,t=7,pt=0,l=0,sg=0,ft=0,st=OK:
    4104 !TSM:FPAR:NO REPLY
    4106 TSM:FPAR
    4142 TSF:MSG:SEND,10-10-255-255,s=255,c=3,t=7,pt=0,l=0,sg=0,ft=0,st=OK:
    6150 !TSM:FPAR:NO REPLY
    6152 TSM:FPAR
    6188 TSF:MSG:SEND,10-10-255-255,s=255,c=3,t=7,pt=0,l=0,sg=0,ft=0,st=OK:
    8196 !TSM:FPAR:FAIL
    8197 TSM:FAIL:CNT=1
    8199 TSM:FAIL:PDT
    18202 TSM:FAIL:RE-INIT
    18204 TSM:INIT
    18211 TSM:INIT:TSP OK
    18213 TSF:SID:OK,ID=10
    18215 TSM:FPAR
    18252 TSF:MSG:SEND,10-10-255-255,s=255,c=3,t=7,pt=0,l=0,sg=0,ft=0,st=OK:
    20259 !TSM:FPAR:NO REPLY
    20261 TSM:FPAR
    20298 TSF:MSG:SEND,10-10-255-255,s=255,c=3,t=7,pt=0,l=0,sg=0,ft=0,st=OK:
    22305 !TSM:FPAR:NO REPLY
    22307 TSM:FPAR
    22344 TSF:MSG:SEND,10-10-255-255,s=255,c=3,t=7,pt=0,l=0,sg=0,ft=0,st=OK:
    24351 !TSM:FPAR:NO REPLY
    24353 TSM:FPAR
    24390 TSF:MSG:SEND,10-10-255-255,s=255,c=3,t=7,pt=0,l=0,sg=0,ft=0,st=OK:
    26397 !TSM:FPAR:FAIL
    26398 TSM:FAIL:CNT=2
    26400 TSM:FAIL:PDT
    

    It doesn't want to connect.
    I also tried to use the radio power module but with no luck.

    My serial gateway is also using the same NRF24L01+ PA +LNA and works for over a year ok.

    What can I do to get it working?

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    wrote on last edited by
    #2

    @Petjepet power and how you define the radio is the most important part here.

    Controller: Proxmox VM - Home Assistant
    MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - W5100 Ethernet, Gw Shield Nrf24l01+ 2,4Ghz
    MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - Gw Shield RFM69, 433mhz
    RFLink GW - Arduino Mega + RFLink Shield, 433mhz

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    • PetjepetP Offline
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      Petjepet
      wrote on last edited by
      #3

      @sundberg84 I powered it directly from the Arduino Nano, also tried with separate power supply. No change, same results.
      My gateway works fine with the same type of radio directly from the Nano.

      What else to consider.

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      • gohanG Offline
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        gohan
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        wrote on last edited by
        #4

        You need an external voltage regulator from 5v to 3.3v for the radio, it is stated in the instructions

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          chippey5
          wrote on last edited by
          #5

          BUMP! Same issue, and I also used a 5v output just like it was stated in the instructions. Hence to this problem, I ordered 10 RFM69 instead as I read these were more stable compared to the NRF24L01.

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          • gohanG gohan

            You need an external voltage regulator from 5v to 3.3v for the radio, it is stated in the instructions

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            Petjepet
            wrote on last edited by
            #6

            @gohan That's what I did as mentioned in my post (radio power module) using a separate 5V power supply as well.

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              wrote on last edited by
              #7

              I had a (seemingly) similar issue with my NRF24+LNA+PA board. The solution was stupid simple - just get the node further away from the GW. Or remove antenna if you have one. We usually develop the node connected to the same PC, both GW and the node. It is simply too strong a signal.

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              • PetjepetP Offline
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                Petjepet
                wrote on last edited by
                #8

                @etxmsol I think you might be right about to strong signal.
                I just tried changing the MY_RF24_PA_LEVEL from RF24_PA_MAX down to RF24_PA_LOW and RF24_PA_MIN. With RF24_PA_MIN it worked. :)
                I will try again with increasing distance and increasing the level when needed for my purpose.

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                • gohanG Offline
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                  gohan
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                  wrote on last edited by
                  #9

                  Also a capacitor is strongly advised and if the radio module is not shielded, you need to do some shielding when using higher power levels.

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                  • gohanG gohan

                    Also a capacitor is strongly advised and if the radio module is not shielded, you need to do some shielding when using higher power levels.

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                    Petjepet
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #10

                    @gohan A capacitor is used in al my sensors, I did not shield it. Also my gateway has no shielding and is working fine.
                    Wat should ne shielded? All the electronics of the radio, so everything except the antenna?

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                      gohan
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                      wrote on last edited by
                      #11

                      some people wrapped the pcb with plastic wrap and on top of it used aluminum foil. Personally I buy shielded modules just to avoid these problems

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                      • Igor AntolićI Offline
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                        Igor Antolić
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                        #12

                        I had same issues and I didn't take separate regulator too seriously, which was mistake.
                        So I made it work using
                        a. separate voltage regulator
                        b. capacitor cca 2uF between + and - pins on NRF24
                        c. using RF24_PA_MAX
                        d. another device was about 2 meters away

                        Before that I had only capacitor, and when I put voltage regulator it worked for me.
                        I took power from arduino nano (+5V pin). No need for separate power. Powering Arduino Nano over USB is fine.

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