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  • tbowmoT Offline
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    #5

    @JohnRob

    if you want to use W5100 and RFM69 then there is the option of buying the Sensebender Gateway as well, it has sockets / pads for both modules, and is (more or less) plug'n'play :)

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      #6

      @tbowmo Thanks for the response/info. I already have a Zero on order. If for some reason it doesn't pan out I will purchase the Sensebender Gateway.

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        #7

        If you have a raspberry pi nearby you can use that too, or even an esp8266

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          @gohan,

          I wanted to stay with the Arduino's because I've done a few projects with the Pro Mini and feel more comfortable.
          As for the Raspi I feel running a platform without an operating system seems simpler and more robust.

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            You still have the esp8266 option then

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              #10

              @dbemowsk

              I just compiled the MySensors sketch (with RFM69 and W5100) and the usage was 46904 bytes.
              My guess the Ethernet interface takes a lot more CPU horsepower than the serial you have.

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                Of course it does, since the serial interface is already built in while the ethernet needs an additional library that takes more memory

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                • JohnRobJ JohnRob

                  @dbemowsk

                  I just compiled the MySensors sketch (with RFM69 and W5100) and the usage was 46904 bytes.
                  My guess the Ethernet interface takes a lot more CPU horsepower than the serial you have.

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                  @johnrob I don't see why it wouldn't work on a pro mini though. You shouldn't need a mega2560.

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                  • dbemowskD dbemowsk

                    @johnrob I don't see why it wouldn't work on a pro mini though. You shouldn't need a mega2560.

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                    @dbemowsk the pro mini doesn't have enough flash space when adding signing and the ethernet shield library.

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                      @gohan said in Newbie Gateway Hardware Confusion:

                      You still have the esp8266 option then

                      Thanks for the suggestion...I'm still learning the Arduino platform. I have two questions regarding the ESP8266,

                      1. Is there a particular implementation of the ESP8266 that works well as a gateway? (I see lots of ESP8266's)

                      2. Reading the requirements; the gateway software stores the NODE id's in EEPROM. I don't see any on the ESP8266. I know some µP can use blocks of flash like EEPROM but I don't have a feel if the reduced lifetime of the flash used this way is anything I should be worried about.

                      Thanks
                      John

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                        #15

                        I like the wemos d1 mini or pro as they have a compact size more breadboard friendly and there are a bunch of shields that you can use (if you look in openhardware.io there are some too)
                        About the flash, I don't know

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                        • gohanG gohan

                          I like the wemos d1 mini or pro as they have a compact size more breadboard friendly and there are a bunch of shields that you can use (if you look in openhardware.io there are some too)
                          About the flash, I don't know

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                          @gohan
                          Thank you very much for your reply. A quick search led me to this site where I can learn more. link text

                          John

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                            @gohan said in Newbie Gateway Hardware Confusion:

                            You still have the esp8266 option then

                            Thanks for the suggestion...I'm still learning the Arduino platform. I have two questions regarding the ESP8266,

                            1. Is there a particular implementation of the ESP8266 that works well as a gateway? (I see lots of ESP8266's)

                            2. Reading the requirements; the gateway software stores the NODE id's in EEPROM. I don't see any on the ESP8266. I know some µP can use blocks of flash like EEPROM but I don't have a feel if the reduced lifetime of the flash used this way is anything I should be worried about.

                            Thanks
                            John

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                            @johnrob I recommend wemos d1 mini for the same reasons as gohan.

                            For the flash/eeprom: mysensors handles this so there is no need to worry. A gateway can have only up to 253 nodes, so the node id will be written to maximum 254 times. That will not wear out the flash.

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                              @gohan
                              Thank you very much for your reply. A quick search led me to this site where I can learn more. link text

                              John

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                              @johnrob if you want to get some, there is the official store on aliexpress, otherwise there are some clones from robodyn store

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                              • mfalkviddM mfalkvidd

                                @johnrob I recommend wemos d1 mini for the same reasons as gohan.

                                For the flash/eeprom: mysensors handles this so there is no need to worry. A gateway can have only up to 253 nodes, so the node id will be written to maximum 254 times. That will not wear out the flash.

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                                @mfalkvidd
                                Thank you for the explanation. I've learned a lot in this thread alone.

                                Question on the node id. If I end up with enough sensors to form a mesh and some of them are far enough away from the gateway to need to travel through a repeater. Would a change in "path" change the node ID or some other path related characteristic?

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                                  Node stays the same as it is saved in node's eeprom

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                                    Thanks to all for your help. I think I have enough information to start my gateway (as soon as the hardware arrives). My first step will be to add a potentiometer to the gateway as a test input before tackling a sensor node.

                                    John

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