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Serial gateway running on coin cells. Needs to sleep

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  • Jason RennieJ Jason Rennie

    @scalz said in Serial gateway running on coin cells. Needs to sleep:

    capa buffering,

    What is capa buffering? Google is not helping me

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    @Jason-Rennie said in Serial gateway running on coin cells. Needs to sleep:

    @scalz said in Serial gateway running on coin cells. Needs to sleep:

    capa buffering,

    What is capa buffering? Google is not helping me

    I think he means adding capacitor(s). Cr2032 will not be able to deliver its rated capacity if more than a few mA is drawn. See https://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/234901/lithium-coin-cell-cr2032-battery-specifications for one data point.

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      #22

      @Jason-Rennie
      sure, but you didn't mention the whole thing, I also prefer subghz :)
      cr2032 is limited, so without extras capacitors = possible brownouts + you won't get full lifetime because of its internal resistance (when power consumption >5ma generally) . even a short burst can reset your mcu (brownout)
      like 100-300uf to handle H version of rfm modules, I usually place a few close to batt and rf module
      also forget bad coincell brands, not good at all for lifetime.
      for a commercial product, I wouldn't recommend to remove brownout protection, nor watchdog too, for saving power.

      I didn't know about listenmode. when I tried it worked, but this was experimental, never used it in prod.
      -> custom fw with rtc and sync. simple :)

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      • mfalkviddM mfalkvidd

        @Jason-Rennie said in Serial gateway running on coin cells. Needs to sleep:

        @scalz said in Serial gateway running on coin cells. Needs to sleep:

        capa buffering,

        What is capa buffering? Google is not helping me

        I think he means adding capacitor(s). Cr2032 will not be able to deliver its rated capacity if more than a few mA is drawn. See https://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/234901/lithium-coin-cell-cr2032-battery-specifications for one data point.

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        @mfalkvidd Yes, I need the right capacitors. I'm now designing boards for the watch and sender device using KiCAD based on moteino and easysensors but with a few differences.

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        • scalzS scalz

          @Jason-Rennie
          sure, but you didn't mention the whole thing, I also prefer subghz :)
          cr2032 is limited, so without extras capacitors = possible brownouts + you won't get full lifetime because of its internal resistance (when power consumption >5ma generally) . even a short burst can reset your mcu (brownout)
          like 100-300uf to handle H version of rfm modules, I usually place a few close to batt and rf module
          also forget bad coincell brands, not good at all for lifetime.
          for a commercial product, I wouldn't recommend to remove brownout protection, nor watchdog too, for saving power.

          I didn't know about listenmode. when I tried it worked, but this was experimental, never used it in prod.
          -> custom fw with rtc and sync. simple :)

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          @scalz said in Serial gateway running on coin cells. Needs to sleep:

          also forget bad coincell brands, not good at all for lifetime.

          This is my biggest concern at the moment. With the watch device I can resort to Lipo and recharge if needed, but the sender is best encased in silicone to protect it so its crucial that I get a long reliable battery life from it. My only option there is to use inductive charging. Which might be easy but I've not looked at the details.

          I would also need to do shipping safety sheets if I use lipo but I think that it's probably just an expense. Not a project risk.

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