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  • NeverDieN NeverDie

    It seems that a minimum of 3 disks is required for running ProxMox: one to boot from, one for ISO's, and one for VM's. I'm surprised it's that literal and not able to partition one disk into 3 equivalent disks. It advises not to use a USB flash for the boot disk.

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    @NeverDie said in Best PC platform for running Esxi/Docker at home?:

    It seems that a minimum of 3 disks is required for running ProxMox: one to boot from, one for ISO's, and one for VM's. I'm surprised it's that literal and not able to partition one disk into 3 equivalent disks. It advises not to use a USB flash for the boot disk.

    Not true. I have 1 SSD running proxmox. And two more disks passed trough to vm's for storage, but the proxmox part is entirely on the small SSD. It is just partitioned using LVM.

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    • monteM monte

      @NeverDie said in Best PC platform for running Esxi/Docker at home?:

      It seems that a minimum of 3 disks is required for running ProxMox: one to boot from, one for ISO's, and one for VM's. I'm surprised it's that literal and not able to partition one disk into 3 equivalent disks. It advises not to use a USB flash for the boot disk.

      Not true. I have 1 SSD running proxmox. And two more disks passed trough to vm's for storage, but the proxmox part is entirely on the small SSD. It is just partitioned using LVM.

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      @monte said in Best PC platform for running Esxi/Docker at home?:

      It is just partitioned using LVM

      @monte How did you do it? Did you pre-partition the disk before installing Proxmox, and then Proxmox just found what you did and adopted it, or is it more involved than that?

      I started with the ProxMox beginner video, which used 3 disks and gave no hints on how to use fewer:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-e1_CTa4s0

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      • NeverDieN NeverDie

        @monte said in Best PC platform for running Esxi/Docker at home?:

        It is just partitioned using LVM

        @monte How did you do it? Did you pre-partition the disk before installing Proxmox, and then Proxmox just found what you did and adopted it, or is it more involved than that?

        I started with the ProxMox beginner video, which used 3 disks and gave no hints on how to use fewer:

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-e1_CTa4s0

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        @NeverDie to be honest, I don't rememver :) It was so long ago, I was just updating the system from then. But I guess there might be an option in the installer... I will try it in vm, you made me curious :)

        UPDATE: I've just ran the install and it plain and simple, no extra options. It automatically partitioned the disk. The only drawback is that you don't have ability to fine tune the sizes of partitions, but that can be done later with some LVM magic :)

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        • monteM monte

          @NeverDie to be honest, I don't rememver :) It was so long ago, I was just updating the system from then. But I guess there might be an option in the installer... I will try it in vm, you made me curious :)

          UPDATE: I've just ran the install and it plain and simple, no extra options. It automatically partitioned the disk. The only drawback is that you don't have ability to fine tune the sizes of partitions, but that can be done later with some LVM magic :)

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          @monte said in Best PC platform for running Esxi/Docker at home?:

          @NeverDie to be honest, I don't rememver :) It was so long ago, I was just updating the system from then. But I guess there might be an option in the installer... I will try it in vm, you made me curious :)

          UPDATE: I've just ran the install and it plain and simple, no extra options. It automatically partitioned the disk. The only drawback is that you don't have ability to fine tune the sizes of partitions, but that can be done later with some LVM magic :)

          That's what I started with too, but then when I went to upload ISO's or create VM's, ProxMox said there was no disk available for that.

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            So to be precise, Proxmox installer creates LMV VG (volume group) called pve, in which it creates LV(logic volume) root, swap and andother volume, which in fact is a pool for another thin volumes that will be created for each VM and container, called data. So ISO's, backups and other stuff related to proxmox itself will be located at root volume.

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            • NeverDieN NeverDie

              @monte said in Best PC platform for running Esxi/Docker at home?:

              @NeverDie to be honest, I don't rememver :) It was so long ago, I was just updating the system from then. But I guess there might be an option in the installer... I will try it in vm, you made me curious :)

              UPDATE: I've just ran the install and it plain and simple, no extra options. It automatically partitioned the disk. The only drawback is that you don't have ability to fine tune the sizes of partitions, but that can be done later with some LVM magic :)

              That's what I started with too, but then when I went to upload ISO's or create VM's, ProxMox said there was no disk available for that.

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              @NeverDie that's strange. What's the size of your disk? Also you can see LVM structure with lvdisplay command. As I've mentioned, you also can manage sizes of said LV's in the console.

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              • monteM monte

                @NeverDie that's strange. What's the size of your disk? Also you can see LVM structure with lvdisplay command. As I've mentioned, you also can manage sizes of said LV's in the console.

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                @monte said in Best PC platform for running Esxi/Docker at home?:

                What the size of your disk?

                1 terabyte. It's a Samsung nvme SSD.

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                  I've tried googling up instructions on how to do it exactly. It seems that others besides just me have struggled with this as well. The only solution proposed which someone claimed worked, which I haven't yet tried, seems to be to start with a Debian install and then upgrade it to ProxMox. But there were no simple 123 instructions on how to do that either, so I just threw in the towel and decided to go with 3 disks, like in the beginner tutorial.

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                  • NeverDieN NeverDie

                    @monte said in Best PC platform for running Esxi/Docker at home?:

                    What the size of your disk?

                    1 terabyte. It's a Samsung nvme SSD.

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                    @NeverDie this is completely doable within proxmox installation. Show me please the return of lvdisplay.
                    Or if you already have set up your system, then let it be :)

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                    • monteM monte

                      @NeverDie this is completely doable within proxmox installation. Show me please the return of lvdisplay.
                      Or if you already have set up your system, then let it be :)

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                      @monte Getting it now. It will look a little screwy because the present incarnation has proxmox on a USB (yeah, I know, heavily not recommended).

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                        Better yet, I'll reinstall it to the one 1Tb disk and you the lvdisplay of that, which will make more sense in this context.

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                          #39

                          OK, did that.
                          lvdisplay.png
                          This is with proxmox installed to the single 1 Tb disk. No USB's involved.

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                          • NeverDieN NeverDie

                            OK, did that.
                            lvdisplay.png
                            This is with proxmox installed to the single 1 Tb disk. No USB's involved.

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                            @NeverDie seems to me that 96GB is plenty of space for ISO's :)

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                              @NeverDie seems to me that 96GB is plenty of space for ISO's :)

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                              @monte Right. But then I get this:
                              noDisksUnused.png
                              which is where I get stuck. If I add more physical disks, then this doesn't happen.

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                              • NeverDieN NeverDie

                                @monte Right. But then I get this:
                                noDisksUnused.png
                                which is where I get stuck. If I add more physical disks, then this doesn't happen.

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                                @NeverDie expand host000 item in the list on the left. Choose storage local at the end of the list, choose ISO Images, hit Upload.
                                Screenshot at 2021-03-12 20-26-29.png
                                Then press create VM on the top right of the GUI.

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                                • monteM monte

                                  @NeverDie expand host000 item in the list on the left. Choose storage local at the end of the list, choose ISO Images, hit Upload.
                                  Screenshot at 2021-03-12 20-26-29.png
                                  Then press create VM on the top right of the GUI.

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                                  @monte Thank you! That worked:
                                  isosUploaded.png
                                  I uploaded both debian and windows iso's.
                                  So, after starting the VM I gather I just click "monitor" to see the VM's virtual display?

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                                  • NeverDieN NeverDie

                                    @monte Thank you! That worked:
                                    isosUploaded.png
                                    I uploaded both debian and windows iso's.
                                    So, after starting the VM I gather I just click "monitor" to see the VM's virtual display?

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                                    @NeverDie no, you use Console just below Summary button.
                                    I must add, I never installed windows in proxmox, so I can't say how install process is managed with it, but I think someone on google knows :)

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                                    • monteM monte

                                      @NeverDie no, you use Console just below Summary button.
                                      I must add, I never installed windows in proxmox, so I can't say how install process is managed with it, but I think someone on google knows :)

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                                      @monte Right. Just tried it, but got this:
                                      noVNC.png
                                      Well, I won't burden you with more questions. Thanks for your help!

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                                      • NeverDieN NeverDie

                                        @monte Right. Just tried it, but got this:
                                        noVNC.png
                                        Well, I won't burden you with more questions. Thanks for your help!

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                                        @NeverDie first video in search https://youtu.be/_uvVZYcYaJE

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                                          Reporting back: After trying many things and much frustration :dizzy_face: , It turned out the reason for the noVnc console fail was, of all things, Google Chrome. :confounded:
                                          Who'd have guessed? Thank you Google. :angry: :angry: :angry: Too bad there's no emoji for sarcasm. :rolling_on_the_floor_laughing: Actually, I like Google Chrome a lot, so I hadn't even suspected it. Switching to Firefox fixed the issue:
                                          solved.png

                                          I'm also able to connect to it using VNC Viewer:
                                          vncViewer.png
                                          by typing:
                                          change vnc 0.0.0.0:100
                                          into the VM's monitor window, as described here: https://pve.proxmox.com/wiki/VNC_Client_Access#Standard_Console_Access

                                          I even tried installing the noVNC google chrome extension, but still no joy. No idea as to why Chrome failed for this, but at least now the culprit is identified. :smile:

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