Sensebender Micro

[ximinez]

The personalization fails to compile for my sensebender micro. There's a few undeclared:

Personalizer:225: error: 'EEPROM_SIGNING_SOFT_HMAC_KEY_ADDRESS' was not declared in this scope
Personalizer:225: error: 'hwReadConfigBlock' was not declared in this scope
Personalizer:236: error: 'EEPROM_SIGNING_SOFT_SERIAL_ADDRESS' was not declared in this scope
Personalizer:247: error: 'EEPROM_RF_ENCRYPTION_AES_KEY_ADDRESS' was not declared in this scope
Personalizer:697: error: 'hwMillis' was not declared in this scope

I'm trying to compile this against master however. Do I have to have dev branch to compile that sketch?

[ximinez]

Fails with the same errors on Uno for me.

[Anticimex]

@ximinez and you are certain you have no local changes to the code? Jenkins builds both master and development branches every night for both the SenseBender and the uno and it builds all examples, including the personalizer without issues.

[ximinez]

Pretty sure.
I'll wipe my library dir and redownload master.

[Anticimex]

If memory serves me, some of the errors you get seem to originate from code on development branch. The eeprom addresses are to my knowledge not yet available on master.

[ximinez]

Ok, moved from master to dev. Sketch compiled. Not quite the output I expected however.

EEPROM configuration:
SOFT_HMAC_KEY | FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
SOFT_SERIAL | FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
AES_KEY | FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF

[Anticimex]

@ximinez it is the output I expected. You have gone for soft signing, and you see the reset values of the eeprom. You need to pick atsha settings. The link I gave you gives the exact settings to personalize both for software and atsha backends.

[ximinez]

Got it now
I had two different sketches and had edited the wrong one. Now I have actual values.
Is there an example GW sketch that I can load quickly to my Uno/W5100 shield/NRF24?

[Anticimex]

I'm rusty on the gateways. But on development branch, configuring signing is easier than on master branch. My link gives the details on signing configuration for both nodes and gateways with examples.

[ximinez]

Yeah, I'm struggling a bit with those instructions. I've set up my gateway with soft signing, and got sane values written to EEPROM.
Now, do I need any of the three values to personalize the sensebender?
SOFT_HMAC_KEY?

[Anticimex]

@ximinez the SenseBender you have patched/cut needs atsha personalization, so no SOFT anything. But you need to have the same hmac key stored on the atsha on the SenseBender as you have picked as soft hmac key in eeprom of your gateway (the node you have personalized for soft signing).

[ximinez]

@Anticimex Yeah, that's what I asked

I get:
Writing key to slot 0...
Data lock failed. Response: D3

[Anticimex]

@ximinez locking data is a very bad idea. It will prevent you from changing the hmac key. You only need to (and should) lock configuration. Only lock data if you really know what you are doing.

[ximinez]

Writing key to slot 0...
Data not locked. Define LOCK_DATA to lock for real.

Personalization is now complete.
Configuration is LOCKED
Data is UNLOCKED

[Anticimex]

@ximinez looks good. You should be done with personalization. Remember to require signatures from the SenseBender in addition to "enabling" it. You can also require signature on the GW, thus forcing all communications between them to be signed. The serial console will reveal how it goes. You can enable verbose debug (MY_DEBUG_VERBOSE_SIGNING) for the signing if you want more details on the signing parts.

[ximinez]

I have the sensor sketch mostly done, but I'll have to do some soldering again tomorrow. It looks like D7 got burnt when I plugged in my ESP8266, giving ~0,5v out on that pin. Will have to work around that:

Sôártinç óensor (RÎONA-, 2.0.0-beta)
Raäio init æáiìåd. Ãèeck wiring.

When that is OK, I'll look at the GW sketch.

[Anticimex]

Sounds good. Bedtime here too.

[ximinez]

D3, D4 and D7 are all funky, and do not give ~3v when set high. So I'm back to the radio being on all the time.
D5 and D6 mysteriously work just fine.

Radio is now OK, but the sensebender reboots before it gets to setup().
Stárting óensor (ÒÎONA-, 2.0.0-beôá)
Ráäio init suããessæuì.
æéîä parenô
send: 255-255-255-255 s=255,c=3,t=7,pt=0,l=0,sg=0,óô=bc:
[reboot and repeat]

[tbowmo]

@ximinez

Sounds like it's on its way to the "other side"..

[ximinez]

Yup. Setting up my other sensebender as a proper signing sensor and my uno as a gateway. This will have to wait until I get a couple more working sensors.

[ximinez]

Ok. I set up my GW, and set up my healthy sensebender as an outdoor sensor. The zombie sensor is now a working indoor sensor.
I have enabled signing and set up whitelisting, but enabling signing debugging makes the sketch oversize, so I can't actually check if signing works - but atleast now I have two sensors.

[Anticimex]

You will still be notified without verbose logging. And if you have enabled and require signing, you won't get any data if something fails (assuming signing is properly activated).

[user2334]

@user2334 said:

I just received two Sensebenders, but have problems getting the device to consume little power. I get totally different values as displayed above.

With the following sketch, I get about 5,6mA in active state and 1,6mA in sleep mode with nRF24 attached. I have compared different nRF24-chips and this one consumed the least power.

Without the nRF24, I get 4mA and 0,025mA (=25µA) during sleep mode.

#include <LowPower.h>
#include "RF24.h"

RF24 radio(9, 10);

void setup() {
}

void loop() {
    delay(8000);
    LowPower.powerDown(SLEEP_8S, ADC_OFF, BOD_OFF);
}

As a follow-up to my previous posting, I can confirm, that using original nRF24-modules (best source seems to be https://www.itead.cc/nrf24l01-module.html), I get 0,023mA (=23µA) with nrf24 attached during sleep mode (no difference between the libraries JeeLib->Sleepy::loseSomeTime or LowPower->LowPower.powerDown).

It is quite interesting, that so many nRF24 Modules (bought from eBay, from Amazon UK) are clones with higher power consumption. Some of them use 3mA, some have electrical short, ...

[ximinez]

@Anticimex I've set MY_SIGNING_SOFT, MY_SIGNING_REQUEST_SIGNATURES and MY_SIGNING_NODE_WHITELIST on the GW, and reenabled (normal) debug but not signing debug since that is too big.
With those enabled, if the sending node does not sign, I should not get this?

0;255;3;0;9;read: 2-2-0 s=1,c=1,t=0,pt=7,l=5,sg=0:6.3
0;255;3;0;9;read: 2-2-0 s=2,c=1,t=1,pt=2,l=2,sg=0:59

[Anticimex]

@ximinez The GW will only require signatures from a node that in turn require signatures.
It is the sg-flag that indicate if a message is signed, in your case, both messages are unsigned.
If you only have node->gw communication, both gw and node has to require signatures for you to see signed messages.
If you have gw->node communication, it is enough that the node require signatures, the gw will then sign them, no matter if the gw require signatures or not.

[ximinez]

0;255;3;0;9;read: 3-3-0 s=1,c=0,t=6,pt=0,l=0,sg=0:
0;255;3;0;9;read: 3-3-0 s=2,c=3,t=16,pt=0,l=0,sg=0:
0;255;3;0;9;send: 0-0-3-3 s=255,c=3,t=17,pt=6,l=25,sg=0,st=ok:57ACB4BD46843BFCC7ABA693CC5AA527F7724531F525338E8A
0;255;3;0;9;read: 3-3-0 s=2,c=0,t=7,pt=0,l=0,sg=0:

I feel more secure now

[Anticimex]

@ximinez Hm, good, but I still see no signed message. But at least a nonce was sent

[ximinez]

@Anticimex Sensor values are getting through though. And signing is requested on both ends (for one sensor so far). I can't see any other #defines that should be set to enable signing. I get the same result on both the zombie sensor and the unmodded one.

I get three "sign fail" (showing up as verify fail on gw) before the sketch reaches setup(), where the ATSHA gets powered up. I will need to power the ATSHA somewhere in the mysensors library. However, once setup() is reached, the ATSHA seems to handle powering down and up just fine.

I can however say that it the Si7021 doesn't like being powered off and back on again after sleep. That causes the MCU to reset.

[Anticimex]

@ximinez Ah, yes, on development branch the signing backend clear the sign flag when it verifies the message. so it will always show as 0 without verbose signing debug enabled.
I know there have been discussions about a "pre setup" to be used for early sketch init. You probably want to power the atsha for early handshaking as well to get the sketch name and such to propagate properly. @hek perhaps has the latest on such features.

[ximinez]

I've built a nicer-looking serial gateway instead of the rather large ethernet gateway. I thought that would basically be a "slot-in" as long as I personalize the GW it with the same SOFT_HMAC_KEY, SOFT_SERIAL and AES_KEY as the original GW. Are there more steps that need to be taken to get the sensors to connect?

[ximinez]

No matter what I do now, this is what I get:

send: 2-2-0-0 s=1,c=3,t=16,pt=0,l=0,sg=0,st=fail:
sign fail
send: 2-2-0-0 s=1,c=1,t=0,pt=7,l=5,sg=0,st=fail:26.0
send: 2-2-0-0 s=2,c=3,t=16,pt=0,l=0,sg=0,st=fail:
sign fail
send: 2-2-0-0 s=2,c=1,t=1,pt=2,l=2,sg=0,st=fail:34
send: 2-2-0-0 s=255,c=3,t=16,pt=0,l=0,sg=0,st=fail:
sign fail

[Anticimex]

You must not use the same serial across nodes. Serial have to be unique. HMAC have to be identical.

[ximinez]

Yes, I know serial must be unique. Serials go in the whitelist for the corresponding node ID. It turned out to be the NRF24L01+-modules with antennas. Replaced it with a regular module and it worked fine.
(Which is strange, because one of those modules worked fine on the ethernet gw. It doesn't eat that much power does it?)

[Anticimex]

@ximinez The signing failing is due to messages not arriving (st=fail). So it is not signing that is your problem here.
However, with signing, messages are now "full size" which strains the RF link so if it is "weak" fewer messages get through if they are "longer". I suspect that is the problem here. Basically the usual stuff; adding caps, using a dedicated regulator and so on...

[ximinez]

Looks like it works now, but what's the deal with the initial failed signs? Look at http://pastebin.ca/3585005 (GW side) and http://pastebin.ca/3585014 (Sensor side. Not the same powerup). It starts by failing a lot, then after a while everything looks OK.

[Anticimex]

@ximinez difficult to say. Maybe a long stabilization period for the regulator. You could try to add a delay in early init in the library to see if it makes a difference.

[Anticimex]

@Anticimex and again, it is not failed signature errors per se. It is st=fail (transmission errors) that cause the signing backend to timeout. So it is not the performance of the atsha (or sw) that cause the issue here, it is the radio.

[ximinez]

@tbowmo said:

@ximinez

While you're at it, also power down the external flash, as it might also contribute a bit..

I forgot about the flash. That would require bootloader support though? Or is the OTA done by jumping to the bootloader while running, keeping pin states?
I'm waiting for some SOIC breakouts in the mail. When I get them, I'll scavenge the ATSHA and flash module from my zombie sensor and build my own sensebender with blackjack and hookers.

[tbowmo]

@ximinez

Yes.. bootloader should probably by modified, if you decide to switch off the flash as well..

[gloob]

I did update the Arduino IDE and now I don't see the Sensebender Micro in the device list.
I'm using 1.6.5 and did copy the content to the boards.txt.

Is there something else I have to do?

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esplora.pid.2=0x003C
esplora.vid.3=0x2A03
esplora.pid.3=0x803C

esplora.upload.tool=avrdude
esplora.upload.protocol=avr109
esplora.upload.maximum_size=28672
esplora.upload.maximum_data_size=2560
esplora.upload.speed=57600
esplora.upload.disable_flushing=true
esplora.upload.use_1200bps_touch=true
esplora.upload.wait_for_upload_port=true

esplora.bootloader.tool=avrdude
esplora.bootloader.low_fuses=0xff
esplora.bootloader.high_fuses=0xd8
esplora.bootloader.extended_fuses=0xcb
esplora.bootloader.file=caterina/Caterina-Esplora.hex
esplora.bootloader.unlock_bits=0x3F
esplora.bootloader.lock_bits=0x2F

esplora.build.mcu=atmega32u4
esplora.build.f_cpu=16000000L
esplora.build.vid=0x2341
esplora.build.pid=0x803c
esplora.build.usb_product="Arduino Esplora"
esplora.build.board=AVR_ESPLORA
esplora.build.core=arduino
esplora.build.variant=leonardo
esplora.build.extra_flags={build.usb_flags}

##############################################################

mini.name=Arduino Mini

mini.upload.tool=avrdude
mini.upload.protocol=arduino

mini.bootloader.tool=avrdude
mini.bootloader.low_fuses=0xff
mini.bootloader.unlock_bits=0x3F
mini.bootloader.lock_bits=0x0F

mini.build.f_cpu=16000000L
mini.build.board=AVR_MINI
mini.build.core=arduino
mini.build.variant=eightanaloginputs

## Arduino Mini w/ ATmega328
## -------------------------
mini.menu.cpu.atmega328=ATmega328

mini.menu.cpu.atmega328.upload.maximum_size=28672
mini.menu.cpu.atmega328.upload.maximum_data_size=2048
mini.menu.cpu.atmega328.upload.speed=115200

mini.menu.cpu.atmega328.bootloader.high_fuses=0xd8
mini.menu.cpu.atmega328.bootloader.extended_fuses=0x05
mini.menu.cpu.atmega328.bootloader.file=optiboot/optiboot_atmega328-Mini.hex

mini.menu.cpu.atmega328.build.mcu=atmega328p

## Arduino Mini w/ ATmega168
## -------------------------
mini.menu.cpu.atmega168=ATmega168

mini.menu.cpu.atmega168.upload.maximum_size=14336
mini.menu.cpu.atmega168.upload.maximum_data_size=1024
mini.menu.cpu.atmega168.upload.speed=19200

mini.menu.cpu.atmega168.bootloader.high_fuses=0xdd
mini.menu.cpu.atmega168.bootloader.extended_fuses=0x00
mini.menu.cpu.atmega168.bootloader.file=atmega/ATmegaBOOT_168_ng.hex

mini.menu.cpu.atmega168.build.mcu=atmega168

##############################################################

ethernet.name=Arduino Ethernet

ethernet.upload.tool=avrdude
ethernet.upload.protocol=arduino
ethernet.upload.maximum_size=32256
ethernet.upload.maximum_data_size=2048
ethernet.upload.speed=115200

ethernet.bootloader.tool=avrdude
ethernet.bootloader.low_fuses=0xff
ethernet.bootloader.high_fuses=0xde
ethernet.bootloader.extended_fuses=0x05
ethernet.bootloader.file=optiboot/optiboot_atmega328.hex
ethernet.bootloader.unlock_bits=0x3F
ethernet.bootloader.lock_bits=0x0F

ethernet.build.variant=ethernet
ethernet.build.mcu=atmega328p
ethernet.build.f_cpu=16000000L
ethernet.build.board=AVR_ETHERNET
ethernet.build.core=arduino

##############################################################

fio.name=Arduino Fio

fio.upload.tool=avrdude
fio.upload.protocol=arduino
fio.upload.maximum_size=30720
fio.upload.maximum_data_size=2048
fio.upload.speed=57600

fio.bootloader.tool=avrdude
fio.bootloader.low_fuses=0xFF
fio.bootloader.high_fuses=0xDA
fio.bootloader.extended_fuses=0x05
fio.bootloader.file=atmega/ATmegaBOOT_168_atmega328_pro_8MHz.hex
fio.bootloader.unlock_bits=0x3F
fio.bootloader.lock_bits=0x0F

fio.build.mcu=atmega328p
fio.build.f_cpu=8000000L
fio.build.board=AVR_FIO
fio.build.core=arduino
fio.build.variant=eightanaloginputs

##############################################################

bt.name=Arduino BT

bt.upload.tool=avrdude
bt.upload.protocol=arduino
bt.upload.speed=19200
bt.upload.disable_flushing=true

bt.bootloader.tool=avrdude
bt.bootloader.low_fuses=0xff
bt.bootloader.unlock_bits=0x3F
bt.bootloader.lock_bits=0x0F

bt.build.f_cpu=16000000L
bt.build.board=AVR_BT
bt.build.core=arduino
bt.build.variant=eightanaloginputs

## Arduino BT w/ ATmega328
## -----------------------
bt.menu.cpu.atmega328=ATmega328
bt.menu.cpu.atmega328.upload.maximum_size=28672
bt.menu.cpu.atmega328.upload.maximum_data_size=2048

bt.menu.cpu.atmega328.bootloader.high_fuses=0xd8
bt.menu.cpu.atmega328.bootloader.extended_fuses=0x05
bt.menu.cpu.atmega328.bootloader.file=bt/ATmegaBOOT_168_atmega328_bt.hex

bt.menu.cpu.atmega328.build.mcu=atmega328p

## Arduino BT w/ ATmega168
## -----------------------
bt.menu.cpu.atmega168=ATmega168
bt.menu.cpu.atmega168.upload.maximum_size=14336
bt.menu.cpu.atmega168.upload.maximum_data_size=1024

bt.menu.cpu.atmega168.bootloader.high_fuses=0xdd
bt.menu.cpu.atmega168.bootloader.extended_fuses=0x00
bt.menu.cpu.atmega168.bootloader.file=bt/ATmegaBOOT_168.hex

bt.menu.cpu.atmega168.build.mcu=atmega168

##############################################################

LilyPadUSB.name=LilyPad Arduino USB
LilyPadUSB.vid.0=0x1B4F
LilyPadUSB.pid.0=0x9207
LilyPadUSB.vid.1=0x1B4F
LilyPadUSB.pid.1=0x9208

LilyPadUSB.upload.tool=avrdude
LilyPadUSB.upload.protocol=avr109
LilyPadUSB.upload.maximum_size=28672
LilyPadUSB.upload.maximum_data_size=2560
LilyPadUSB.upload.speed=57600
LilyPadUSB.upload.disable_flushing=true
LilyPadUSB.upload.use_1200bps_touch=true
LilyPadUSB.upload.wait_for_upload_port=true

LilyPadUSB.bootloader.tool=avrdude
LilyPadUSB.bootloader.low_fuses=0xff
LilyPadUSB.bootloader.high_fuses=0xd8
LilyPadUSB.bootloader.extended_fuses=0xce
LilyPadUSB.bootloader.file=caterina-LilyPadUSB/Caterina-LilyPadUSB.hex
LilyPadUSB.bootloader.unlock_bits=0x3F
LilyPadUSB.bootloader.lock_bits=0x2F

LilyPadUSB.build.mcu=atmega32u4
LilyPadUSB.build.f_cpu=8000000L
LilyPadUSB.build.vid=0x1B4F
LilyPadUSB.build.pid=0x9208
LilyPadUSB.build.usb_product="LilyPad USB"
LilyPadUSB.build.board=AVR_LILYPAD_USB
LilyPadUSB.build.core=arduino
LilyPadUSB.build.variant=leonardo
LilyPadUSB.build.extra_flags={build.usb_flags}

##############################################################

lilypad.name=LilyPad Arduino

lilypad.upload.tool=avrdude
lilypad.upload.protocol=arduino

lilypad.bootloader.tool=avrdude
lilypad.bootloader.unlock_bits=0x3F
lilypad.bootloader.lock_bits=0x0F

lilypad.build.f_cpu=8000000L
lilypad.build.board=AVR_LILYPAD
lilypad.build.core=arduino
lilypad.build.variant=standard

## LilyPad Arduino w/ ATmega328
## ----------------------------
lilypad.menu.cpu.atmega328=ATmega328

lilypad.menu.cpu.atmega328.upload.maximum_size=30720
lilypad.menu.cpu.atmega328.upload.maximum_data_size=2048
lilypad.menu.cpu.atmega328.upload.speed=57600

lilypad.menu.cpu.atmega328.bootloader.low_fuses=0xFF
lilypad.menu.cpu.atmega328.bootloader.high_fuses=0xDA
lilypad.menu.cpu.atmega328.bootloader.extended_fuses=0x05
lilypad.menu.cpu.atmega328.bootloader.file=atmega/ATmegaBOOT_168_atmega328_pro_8MHz.hex

lilypad.menu.cpu.atmega328.build.mcu=atmega328p

## LilyPad Arduino w/ ATmega168
## ----------------------------
lilypad.menu.cpu.atmega168=ATmega168

lilypad.menu.cpu.atmega168.upload.maximum_size=14336
lilypad.menu.cpu.atmega168.upload.maximum_data_size=1024
lilypad.menu.cpu.atmega168.upload.speed=19200

lilypad.menu.cpu.atmega168.bootloader.low_fuses=0xe2
lilypad.menu.cpu.atmega168.bootloader.high_fuses=0xdd
lilypad.menu.cpu.atmega168.bootloader.extended_fuses=0x00
lilypad.menu.cpu.atmega168.bootloader.file=lilypad/LilyPadBOOT_168.hex

lilypad.menu.cpu.atmega168.build.mcu=atmega168

##############################################################

pro.name=Arduino Pro or Pro Mini

pro.upload.tool=avrdude
pro.upload.protocol=arduino

pro.bootloader.tool=avrdude
pro.bootloader.unlock_bits=0x3F
pro.bootloader.lock_bits=0x0F

pro.build.board=AVR_PRO
pro.build.core=arduino
pro.build.variant=eightanaloginputs

## Arduino Pro or Pro Mini (5V, 16 MHz) w/ ATmega328
## -------------------------------------------------
pro.menu.cpu.16MHzatmega328=ATmega328 (5V, 16 MHz)

pro.menu.cpu.16MHzatmega328.upload.maximum_size=30720
pro.menu.cpu.16MHzatmega328.upload.maximum_data_size=2048
pro.menu.cpu.16MHzatmega328.upload.speed=57600

pro.menu.cpu.16MHzatmega328.bootloader.low_fuses=0xFF
pro.menu.cpu.16MHzatmega328.bootloader.high_fuses=0xDA
pro.menu.cpu.16MHzatmega328.bootloader.extended_fuses=0x05
pro.menu.cpu.16MHzatmega328.bootloader.file=atmega/ATmegaBOOT_168_atmega328.hex

pro.menu.cpu.16MHzatmega328.build.mcu=atmega328p
pro.menu.cpu.16MHzatmega328.build.f_cpu=16000000L

## Arduino Pro or Pro Mini (3.3V, 8 MHz) w/ ATmega328
## --------------------------------------------------
pro.menu.cpu.8MHzatmega328=ATmega328 (3.3V, 8 MHz)

pro.menu.cpu.8MHzatmega328.upload.maximum_size=30720
pro.menu.cpu.8MHzatmega328.upload.maximum_data_size=2048
pro.menu.cpu.8MHzatmega328.upload.speed=57600

pro.menu.cpu.8MHzatmega328.bootloader.low_fuses=0xFF
pro.menu.cpu.8MHzatmega328.bootloader.high_fuses=0xDA
pro.menu.cpu.8MHzatmega328.bootloader.extended_fuses=0x05
pro.menu.cpu.8MHzatmega328.bootloader.file=atmega/ATmegaBOOT_168_atmega328_pro_8MHz.hex

pro.menu.cpu.8MHzatmega328.build.mcu=atmega328p
pro.menu.cpu.8MHzatmega328.build.f_cpu=8000000L

## Arduino Pro or Pro Mini (5V, 16 MHz) w/ ATmega168
## -------------------------------------------------
pro.menu.cpu.16MHzatmega168=ATmega168 (5V, 16 MHz)

pro.menu.cpu.16MHzatmega168.upload.maximum_size=14336
pro.menu.cpu.16MHzatmega168.upload.maximum_data_size=1024
pro.menu.cpu.16MHzatmega168.upload.speed=19200

pro.menu.cpu.16MHzatmega168.bootloader.low_fuses=0xff
pro.menu.cpu.16MHzatmega168.bootloader.high_fuses=0xdd
pro.menu.cpu.16MHzatmega168.bootloader.extended_fuses=0x00
pro.menu.cpu.16MHzatmega168.bootloader.file=atmega/ATmegaBOOT_168_diecimila.hex

pro.menu.cpu.16MHzatmega168.build.mcu=atmega168
pro.menu.cpu.16MHzatmega168.build.f_cpu=16000000L

## Arduino Pro or Pro Mini (3.3V, 8 MHz) w/ ATmega168
## --------------------------------------------------
pro.menu.cpu.8MHzatmega168=ATmega168 (3.3V, 8 MHz)

pro.menu.cpu.8MHzatmega168.upload.maximum_size=14336
pro.menu.cpu.8MHzatmega168.upload.maximum_data_size=1024
pro.menu.cpu.8MHzatmega168.upload.speed=19200

pro.menu.cpu.8MHzatmega168.bootloader.low_fuses=0xc6
pro.menu.cpu.8MHzatmega168.bootloader.high_fuses=0xdd
pro.menu.cpu.8MHzatmega168.bootloader.extended_fuses=0x00
pro.menu.cpu.8MHzatmega168.bootloader.file=atmega/ATmegaBOOT_168_pro_8MHz.hex

pro.menu.cpu.8MHzatmega168.build.mcu=atmega168
pro.menu.cpu.8MHzatmega168.build.f_cpu=8000000L

##############################################################

atmegang.name=Arduino NG or older

atmegang.upload.tool=avrdude
atmegang.upload.protocol=arduino
atmegang.upload.speed=19200

atmegang.bootloader.tool=avrdude
atmegang.bootloader.unlock_bits=0x3F
atmegang.bootloader.lock_bits=0x0F

atmegang.build.mcu=atmegang
atmegang.build.f_cpu=16000000L
atmegang.build.board=AVR_NG
atmegang.build.core=arduino
atmegang.build.variant=standard

## Arduino NG or older w/ ATmega168
## --------------------------------
atmegang.menu.cpu.atmega168=ATmega168

atmegang.menu.cpu.atmega168.upload.maximum_size=14336
atmegang.menu.cpu.atmega168.upload.maximum_data_size=1024

atmegang.menu.cpu.atmega168.bootloader.low_fuses=0xff
atmegang.menu.cpu.atmega168.bootloader.high_fuses=0xdd
atmegang.menu.cpu.atmega168.bootloader.extended_fuses=0x00
atmegang.menu.cpu.atmega168.bootloader.file=atmega/ATmegaBOOT_168_ng.hex

atmegang.menu.cpu.atmega168.build.mcu=atmega168

## Arduino NG or older w/ ATmega8
## ------------------------------
atmegang.menu.cpu.atmega8=ATmega8

atmegang.menu.cpu.atmega8.upload.maximum_size=7168
atmegang.menu.cpu.atmega8.upload.maximum_data_size=1024

atmegang.menu.cpu.atmega8.bootloader.low_fuses=0xdf
atmegang.menu.cpu.atmega8.bootloader.high_fuses=0xca
atmegang.menu.cpu.atmega8.bootloader.file=atmega8/ATmegaBOOT-prod-firmware-2009-11-07.hex

atmegang.menu.cpu.atmega8.build.mcu=atmega8

##############################################################

robotControl.name=Arduino Robot Control
robotControl.vid.0=0x2341
robotControl.pid.0=0x0038
robotControl.vid.1=0x2341
robotControl.pid.1=0x8038
robotControl.vid.2=0x2A03
robotControl.pid.2=0x0038
robotControl.vid.3=0x2A03
robotControl.pid.3=0x8038

robotControl.upload.tool=avrdude
robotControl.upload.protocol=avr109
robotControl.upload.maximum_size=28672
robotControl.upload.maximum_data_size=2560
robotControl.upload.speed=57600
robotControl.upload.disable_flushing=true
robotControl.upload.use_1200bps_touch=true
robotControl.upload.wait_for_upload_port=true

robotControl.bootloader.tool=avrdude
robotControl.bootloader.low_fuses=0xff
robotControl.bootloader.high_fuses=0xd8
robotControl.bootloader.extended_fuses=0xcb
robotControl.bootloader.file=caterina-Arduino_Robot/Caterina-Robot-Control.hex
robotControl.bootloader.unlock_bits=0x3F
robotControl.bootloader.lock_bits=0x2F

robotControl.build.mcu=atmega32u4
robotControl.build.f_cpu=16000000L
robotControl.build.vid=0x2341
robotControl.build.pid=0x8038
robotControl.build.usb_product="Robot Control"
robotControl.build.board=AVR_ROBOT_CONTROL
robotControl.build.core=arduino
robotControl.build.variant=robot_control
robotControl.build.extra_flags={build.usb_flags}

##############################################################

robotMotor.name=Arduino Robot Motor
robotMotor.vid.0=0x2341
robotMotor.pid.0=0x0039
robotMotor.vid.1=0x2341
robotMotor.pid.1=0x8039
robotMotor.vid.2=0x2A03
robotMotor.pid.2=0x0039
robotMotor.vid.3=0x2A03
robotMotor.pid.3=0x8039

robotMotor.upload.tool=avrdude
robotMotor.upload.protocol=avr109
robotMotor.upload.maximum_size=28672
robotMotor.upload.maximum_data_size=2560
robotMotor.upload.speed=57600
robotMotor.upload.disable_flushing=true
robotMotor.upload.use_1200bps_touch=true
robotMotor.upload.wait_for_upload_port=true

robotMotor.bootloader.tool=avrdude
robotMotor.bootloader.low_fuses=0xff
robotMotor.bootloader.high_fuses=0xd8
robotMotor.bootloader.extended_fuses=0xcb
robotMotor.bootloader.file=caterina-Arduino_Robot/Caterina-Robot-Motor.hex
robotMotor.bootloader.unlock_bits=0x3F
robotMotor.bootloader.lock_bits=0x2F

robotMotor.build.mcu=atmega32u4
robotMotor.build.f_cpu=16000000L
robotMotor.build.vid=0x2341
robotMotor.build.pid=0x8039
robotMotor.build.usb_product="Robot Motor"
robotMotor.build.board=AVR_ROBOT_MOTOR
robotMotor.build.core=arduino
robotMotor.build.variant=robot_motor
robotMotor.build.extra_flags={build.usb_flags}

##############################################################

gemma.vid.0=0x2341
gemma.pid.0=0x0c9f

gemma.name=Arduino Gemma

gemma.bootloader.low_fuses=0xF1
gemma.bootloader.high_fuses=0xD5
gemma.bootloader.extended_fuses=0xFE
gemma.bootloader.tool=avrdude
gemma.bootloader.lock_bits=
gemma.bootloader.unlock_bits=
gemma.bootloader.file=gemma/gemma_v1.hex

gemma.build.mcu=attiny85
gemma.build.f_cpu=8000000L
gemma.build.core=arduino
gemma.build.variant=gemma
gemma.build.board=AVR_GEMMA

gemma.upload.tool=avrdude
gemma.upload.maximum_size=5310

menu.cpu=Processor

######################################
## Sensebender Micro

MysensorsMicro.name=Sensebender Micro

MysensorsMicro.upload.tool=arduino:avrdude
MysensorsMicro.upload.protocol=arduino
MysensorsMicro.upload.maximum_size=30720
MysensorsMicro.upload.maximum_data_size=2048
MysensorsMicro.upload.speed=57600

MysensorsMicro.bootloader.tool=arduino:avrdude
MysensorsMicro.bootloader.unlock_bits=0x3F
MysensorsMicro.bootloader.lock_bits=0x0F
MysensorsMicro.bootloader.low_fuses=0xE2
MysensorsMicro.bootloader.high_fuses=0xD2
MysensorsMicro.bootloader.extended_fuses=0x06
MysensorsMicro.bootloader.file=DualOptiboot/optiboot_atmega328_pro_8MHz.hex

MysensorsMicro.build.board=AVR_MICRO8
MysensorsMicro.build.core=arduino:arduino
MysensorsMicro.build.variant=micro
MysensorsMicro.build.mcu=atmega328p
#MysensorsMicro.build.f_cpu=8000000L

MysensorsMicro.menu.cpu.8Mhz=Atmega328 8Mhz
MysensorsMicro.menu.cpu.8Mhz.build.f_cpu=8000000L 

MysensorsMicro.menu.cpu.1Mhz=Atmega328 1Mhz
MysensorsMicro.menu.cpu.1Mhz.build.f_cpu=1000000L

I'm using a Mac if it is important.

[alexeinz]

Is it possible to use the ftdi or isp vcc / gnd to connect a pir ?
or do i need to source separate power and gnd for pir ?

[hek]

@gloob
Maybe a little late, but the Sensebender is now available to be downloaded directly in the IDE using board manager.
https://github.com/mysensors/ArduinoBoards

@alexeinz
You can use the same power/ground plane (and any of the digital inputs). Also note that the pir might need to be modified to handle 3v3.
https://forum.mysensors.org/topic/1088/battery-powered-pir

[alexeinz]

@hek ...so to clarify , I can use the VCC and Ground of the ISP portion to power the sensor?
( my pir already modded for 3.3 )

[hek]

Yes, it doesn't matter. GND/VCC is the same no matter where you pull it on the board.

[alexsh1]

@Anticimex
@ximinez said:

Looks like it works now, but what's the deal with the initial failed signs? Look at http://pastebin.ca/3585005 (GW side) and http://pastebin.ca/3585014 (Sensor side. Not the same powerup). It starts by failing a lot, then after a while everything looks OK.

I have exactly the same problem with Ethernet GW (Mega + Ethernet shield) + Sensebender:

GW:

0;255;3;0;9;Starting gateway (RNNGAS, 2.0.0-beta)
0;255;3;0;9;Radio init successful.
IP: 0.0.0.0
0;255;3;0;9;Init complete, id=0, parent=0, distance=0
0;255;3;0;9;Skipping security for command 3 type 16
0;255;3;0;9;read: 3-3-0 s=255,c=3,t=16,pt=0,l=0,sg=0:
0;255;3;0;9;Signing backend: ATSHA204Soft
0;255;3;0;9;SHA256: 86DEAE1DAF50D577A4E2262B33ABF9DEE05DD8FAF84F94F50900000000000000
0;255;3;0;9;Transmittng nonce
0;255;3;0;9;Skipping security for command 3 type 17
0;255;3;0;9;send: 0-0-3-3 s=255,c=3,t=17,pt=6,l=25,sg=0,st=fail:86DEAE1DAF50D577A4E2262B33ABF9DEE05DD8FAF84F94F509
0;255;3;0;9;Message is not signed, but it should have been!
0;255;3;0;9;verify fail
0;255;3;0;9;Skipping security for command 3 type 16
0;255;3;0;9;read: 3-3-0 s=255,c=3,t=16,pt=0,l=0,sg=0:
0;255;3;0;9;Signing backend: ATSHA204Soft
0;255;3;0;9;SHA256: 5D009DC0245C411DABE519AB62E32B24333CA92BE1BA9EC1CBAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
0;255;3;0;9;Transmittng nonce
0;255;3;0;9;Skipping security for command 3 type 17
0;255;3;0;9;send: 0-0-3-3 s=255,c=3,t=17,pt=6,l=25,sg=0,st=fail:5D009DC0245C411DABE519AB62E32B24333CA92BE1BA9EC1CB
0;255;3;0;9;Message is not signed, but it should have been!
0;255;3;0;9;verify fail
0;255;3;0;9;Skipping security for command 3 type 16
0;255;3;0;9;read: 3-3-0 s=1,c=3,t=16,pt=0,l=0,sg=0:
0;255;3;0;9;Signing backend: ATSHA204Soft
0;255;3;0;9;SHA256: EF67FAAED617A07C4EFC978F44BD41B77A4834BB83581C19FFAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
0;255;3;0;9;Transmittng nonce
0;255;3;0;9;Skipping security for command 3 type 17
0;255;3;0;9;send: 0-0-3-3 s=255,c=3,t=17,pt=6,l=25,sg=0,st=fail:EF67FAAED617A07C4EFC978F44BD41B77A4834BB83581C19FF
0;255;3;0;9;Message is not signed, but it should have been!
0;255;3;0;9;verify fail
0;255;3;0;9;Skipping security for command 3 type 16
0;255;3;0;9;read: 3-3-0 s=2,c=3,t=16,pt=0,l=0,sg=0:
0;255;3;0;9;Signing backend: ATSHA204Soft
0;255;3;0;9;SHA256: 41D57E19D687AC4EBCC59179C6ADC1E155A252315EB1DF4F89AAAAAAAAAAAAAA
0;255;3;0;9;Transmittng nonce
0;255;3;0;9;Skipping security for command 3 type 17
0;255;3;0;9;send: 0-0-3-3 s=255,c=3,t=17,pt=6,l=25,sg=0,st=fail:41D57E19D687AC4EBCC59179C6ADC1E155A252315EB1DF4F89
0;255;3;0;9;Message is not signed, but it should have been!
0;255;3;0;9;verify fail
0;255;3;0;9;Skipping security for command 3 type 16
0;255;3;0;9;read: 3-3-0 s=3,c=3,t=16,pt=0,l=0,sg=0:
0;255;3;0;9;Signing backend: ATSHA204Soft
0;255;3;0;9;SHA256: FEBB9B588209F4FAAB95A64FCAD9F4B0E5025356AC4E0935DDAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
0;255;3;0;9;Transmittng nonce
0;255;3;0;9;Skipping security for command 3 type 17
0;255;3;0;9;send: 0-0-3-3 s=255,c=3,t=17,pt=6,l=25,sg=0,st=fail:FEBB9B588209F4FAAB95A64FCAD9F4B0E5025356AC4E0935DD
0;255;3;0;9;Message is not signed, but it should have been!
0;255;3;0;9;verify fail
0;255;3;0;9;Verification timeout
0;255;3;0;9;Skipping security for command 3 type 16
0;255;3;0;9;read: 3-3-0 s=1,c=3,t=16,pt=0,l=0,sg=0:
0;255;3;0;9;Signing backend: ATSHA204Soft
0;255;3;0;9;SHA256: B1E3C1C0EA9829F4B0240246C91DB8B7C29EBB3255D4F6117CAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
0;255;3;0;9;Transmittng nonce
0;255;3;0;9;Skipping security for command 3 type 17
0;255;3;0;9;send: 0-0-3-3 s=255,c=3,t=17,pt=6,l=25,sg=0,st=fail:B1E3C1C0EA9829F4B0240246C91DB8B7C29EBB3255D4F6117C
0;255;3;0;9;Message is not signed, but it should have been!
0;255;3;0;9;verify fail
0;255;3;0;9;Skipping security for command 3 type 16
0;255;3;0;9;read: 3-3-0 s=2,c=3,t=16,pt=0,l=0,sg=0:
0;255;3;0;9;Signing backend: ATSHA204Soft
0;255;3;0;9;SHA256: 92BAB2A723258EA923048423F81DA245F3F932AF64F22C5F40AAAAAAAAAAAAAA
0;255;3;0;9;Transmittng nonce
0;255;3;0;9;Skipping security for command 3 type 17
0;255;3;0;9;send: 0-0-3-3 s=255,c=3,t=17,pt=6,l=25,sg=0,st=fail:92BAB2A723258EA923048423F81DA245F3F932AF64F22C5F40
0;255;3;0;9;Message is not signed, but it should have been!
0;255;3;0;9;verify fail
0;255;3;0;9;Skipping security for command 3 type 16
0;255;3;0;9;read: 3-3-0 s=3,c=3,t=16,pt=0,l=0,sg=0:
0;255;3;0;9;Signing backend: ATSHA204Soft
0;255;3;0;9;SHA256: B5D717D5B8F0F93A030B0125F273C002AED8DB29AC175C80E4AAAAAAAAAAAAAA
0;255;3;0;9;Transmittng nonce
0;255;3;0;9;Skipping security for command 3 type 17
0;255;3;0;9;send: 0-0-3-3 s=255,c=3,t=17,pt=6,l=25,sg=0,st=fail:B5D717D5B8F0F93A030B0125F273C002AED8DB29AC175C80E4
0;255;3;0;9;Message is not signed, but it should have been!
0;255;3;0;9;verify fail
0;255;3;0;9;Skipping security for command 3 type 16
0;255;3;0;9;read: 3-3-0 s=255,c=3,t=16,pt=0,l=0,sg=0:
0;255;3;0;9;Signing backend: ATSHA204Soft
0;255;3;0;9;SHA256: B2D64F2C3EB1CCBA1250FF88120A8877E3414546D1B209C2AEAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
0;255;3;0;9;Transmittng nonce
0;255;3;0;9;Skipping security for command 3 type 17
0;255;3;0;9;send: 0-0-3-3 s=255,c=3,t=17,pt=6,l=25,sg=0,st=fail:B2D64F2C3EB1CCBA1250FF88120A8877E3414546D1B209C2AE
0;255;3;0;9;Message is not signed, but it should have been!
0;255;3;0;9;verify fail
0;255;3;0;9;Skipping security for command 3 type 15
0;255;3;0;9;read: 3-3-0 s=255,c=3,t=15,pt=0,l=2,sg=0:


0;255;3;0;9;Mark node 3 as one that require signed messages
0;255;3;0;9;Mark node 3 as one that do not require whitelisting
0;255;3;0;9;Informing node 3 that we require signatures
0;255;3;0;9;Informing node 3 that we do not require whitelisting
0;255;3;0;9;Skipping security for command 3 type 15
0;255;3;0;9;send: 0-0-3-3 s=255,c=3,t=15,pt=0,l=2,sg=0,st=ok:


0;255;3;0;9;Verification timeout
0;255;3;0;9;Skipping security for command 3 type 16
0;255;3;0;9;read: 3-3-0 s=255,c=3,t=16,pt=0,l=0,sg=0:
0;255;3;0;9;Signing backend: ATSHA204Soft
0;255;3;0;9;SHA256: 04C65FB99F798197CD5474AE7CC8625595B49655D311173412AAAAAAAAAAAAAA
0;255;3;0;9;Transmittng nonce
0;255;3;0;9;Skipping security for command 3 type 17
0;255;3;0;9;send: 0-0-3-3 s=255,c=3,t=17,pt=6,l=25,sg=0,st=ok:04C65FB99F798197CD5474AE7CC8625595B49655D311173412
0;255;3;0;9;Signature in message: 010017891177284094289CCA41F5E3
0;255;3;0;9;Message to process: 0300560011FF322E302E302D62657461
0;255;3;0;9;Current nonce: 04C65FB99F798197CD5474AE7CC8625595B49655D311173412AAAAAAAAAAAAAA
0;255;3;0;9;HMAC: 37A3D7AFFCD292EAFD64017F9845DD4AD49624C37348B63B87699D273CA5F27F
0;255;3;0;9;Signature bad: 01A3D7AFFCD292EAFD64017F9845DD
0;255;3;0;9;Signature verification failed!
0;255;3;0;9;verify fail
0;255;3;0;9;Skipping security for command 3 type 16
0;255;3;0;9;read: 3-3-0 s=255,c=3,t=16,pt=0,l=0,sg=0:
0;255;3;0;9;Signing backend: ATSHA204Soft
0;255;3;0;9;SHA256: 66CC761B15338987ABA7DDEB567F78EFA6E32BD0A6895A8EDDAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
0;255;3;0;9;Transmittng nonce
0;255;3;0;9;Skipping security for command 3 type 17
0;255;3;0;9;send: 0-0-3-3 s=255,c=3,t=17,pt=6,l=25,sg=0,st=ok:66CC761B15338987ABA7DDEB567F78EFA6E32BD0A6895A8EDD
0;255;3;0;9;Signature in message: 0127D1050EA18AC0EE1FD1C5C1496AE3772D390F25E4D6B5
0;255;3;0;9;Message to process: 03000E2306FF00
0;255;3;0;9;Current nonce: 66CC761B15338987ABA7DDEB567F78EFA6E32BD0A6895A8EDDAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
0;255;3;0;9;HMAC: 69E44BF99E8E4842A47D14C11B849C059B9AD62B40FF8B3BC8F41FE419C032D8
0;255;3;0;9;Signature bad: 01E44BF99E8E4842A47D14C11B849C059B9AD62B40FF8B3B
0;255;3;0;9;Signature verification failed!
0;255;3;0;9;verify fail
0;255;3;0;9;Skipping security for command 3 type 16
0;255;3;0;9;read: 3-3-0 s=255,c=3,t=16,pt=0,l=0,sg=0:
0;255;3;0;9;Signing backend: ATSHA204Soft
0;255;3;0;9;SHA256: B588F20DC0FFBCCE5B40563F5618901E1F46F5996A90146687AAAAAAAAAAAAAA
0;255;3;0;9;Transmittng nonce
0;255;3;0;9;Skipping security for command 3 type 17
0;255;3;0;9;send: 0-0-3-3 s=255,c=3,t=17,pt=6,l=25,sg=0,st=ok:B588F20DC0FFBCCE5B40563F5618901E1F46F5996A90146687
0;255;3;0;9;Signature in message: 01C32806F6BA82E2BA08D8BC47AEAE
0;255;3;0;9;Message to process: 030056C400FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF0300
0;255;3;0;9;Current nonce: B588F20DC0FFBCCE5B40563F5618901E1F46F5996A90146687AAAAAAAAAAAAAA
0;255;3;0;9;HMAC: B532A92B09B8A52F01630B4FCD29CD4C380317D14FFCEDE34284BDF61C13953D
0;255;3;0;9;Signature bad: 0132A92B09B8A52F01630B4FCD29CD
0;255;3;0;9;Signature verification failed!
0;255;3;0;9;verify fail

Sensebender:

Starting sensor (RNONAA, 2.0.0-beta)
Radio init successful.
Sensebender Micro FW 1.5 - Online!
Skipping security for command 3 type 16
send: 3-3-0-0 s=255,c=3,t=16,pt=0,l=0,sg=0,st=ok:
Nonce requested from 0. Waiting...
Timeout waiting for nonce!
sign fail
send: 3-3-0-0 s=255,c=3,t=11,pt=0,l=17,sg=0,st=ok:Sensebender Micro
Skipping security for command 3 type 16
send: 3-3-0-0 s=255,c=3,t=16,pt=0,l=0,sg=0,st=ok:
Nonce requested from 0. Waiting...
Timeout waiting for nonce!
sign fail
send: 3-3-0-0 s=255,c=3,t=12,pt=0,l=3,sg=0,st=ok:1.5
Skipping security for command 3 type 16
send: 3-3-0-0 s=1,c=3,t=16,pt=0,l=0,sg=0,st=ok:
Nonce requested from 0. Waiting...
Timeout waiting for nonce!
sign fail
send: 3-3-0-0 s=1,c=0,t=6,pt=0,l=0,sg=0,st=ok:
Skipping security for command 3 type 16
send: 3-3-0-0 s=2,c=3,t=16,pt=0,l=0,sg=0,st=ok:
Nonce requested from 0. Waiting...
Timeout waiting for nonce!
sign fail
send: 3-3-0-0 s=2,c=0,t=7,pt=0,l=0,sg=0,st=ok:
Skipping security for command 3 type 16
send: 3-3-0-0 s=3,c=3,t=16,pt=0,l=0,sg=0,st=ok:
Nonce requested from 0. Waiting...
Timeout waiting for nonce!
sign fail
send: 3-3-0-0 s=3,c=0,t=13,pt=0,l=0,sg=0,st=ok:
isMetric: 1
TempDiff :127.32
HumDiff  :141.00
T: 27.32
H: 41
Skipping security for command 3 type 16
send: 3-3-0-0 s=1,c=3,t=16,pt=0,l=0,sg=0,st=ok:
Nonce requested from 0. Waiting...
Timeout waiting for nonce!
sign fail
send: 3-3-0-0 s=1,c=1,t=0,pt=7,l=5,sg=0,st=ok:27.3
Skipping security for command 3 type 16
send: 3-3-0-0 s=2,c=3,t=16,pt=0,l=0,sg=0,st=ok:
Nonce requested from 0. Waiting...
Timeout waiting for nonce!
sign fail
send: 3-3-0-0 s=2,c=1,t=1,pt=2,l=2,sg=0,st=ok:41
Skipping security for command 3 type 16
send: 3-3-0-0 s=3,c=3,t=16,pt=0,l=0,sg=0,st=ok:
Nonce requested from 0. Waiting...
Timeout waiting for nonce!
sign fail
send: 3-3-0-0 s=3,c=1,t=38,pt=7,l=5,sg=0,st=ok:3.20
Skipping security for command 3 type 16
send: 3-3-0-0 s=255,c=3,t=16,pt=0,l=0,sg=0,st=ok:
Nonce requested from 0. Waiting...
Message to send could not be signed!
sign fail
send: 3-3-0-0 s=255,c=3,t=0,pt=1,l=1,sg=0,st=ok:92
OTA FW update enabled
Signing required
Skipping security for command 3 type 15
send: 3-3-0-0 s=255,c=3,t=15,pt=0,l=2,sg=0,st=ok:


Waiting for GW to send signing preferences...
Skipping security for command 3 type 15
read: 0-0-3 s=255,c=3,t=15,pt=0,l=2,sg=0:


Mark node 0 as one that require signed messages
Mark node 0 as one that do not require whitelisting
Skipping security for command 3 type 16
send: 3-3-0-0 s=255,c=3,t=16,pt=0,l=0,sg=0,st=ok:
Nonce requested from 0. Waiting...
Skipping security for command 3 type 17
read: 0-0-3 s=255,c=3,t=17,pt=6,l=25,sg=0:AC862B6EC2DC2CD7EEF32DD146F7D57DA738137D592460D5E5
Nonce received from 0. Proceeding with signing...
Signing backend: ATSHA204
Message to process: 0300560011FF322E302E302D62657461
Current nonce: AC862B6EC2DC2CD7EEF32DD146F7D57DA738137D592460D5E5AAAAAAAAAAAAAA
HMAC: 65C59C709F8B194B4005D830F86D1F502C0707090C131C5A15356A26C3D72C8E
Signature in message: 01C59C709F8B194B4005D830F86D1F
Message signed
Message to send has been signed
send: 3-3-0-0 s=255,c=0,t=17,pt=0,l=10,sg=1,st=ok:2.0.0-beta
Skipping security for command 3 type 16
send: 3-3-0-0 s=255,c=3,t=16,pt=0,l=0,sg=0,st=ok:
Nonce requested from 0. Waiting...
Skipping security for command 3 type 17
read: 0-0-3 s=255,c=3,t=17,pt=6,l=25,sg=0:99C1B06E9EA6E561D7089ECA5AECAD47247C3966848FDA3669
Nonce received from 0. Proceeding with signing...
Signing backend: ATSHA204
Message to process: 03000E2306FF00
Current nonce: 99C1B06E9EA6E561D7089ECA5AECAD47247C3966848FDA3669AAAAAAAAAAAAAA
HMAC: 357966889DA8D9414C49B4AF9AACEDF786D05722F50DEE43CE05559514938EB7
Signature in message: 017966889DA8D9414C49B4AF9AACEDF786D05722F50DEE43
Message signed
Message to send has been signed
send: 3-3-0-0 s=255,c=3,t=6,pt=1,l=1,sg=1,st=ok:0
Skipping security for command 3 type 16
send: 3-3-0-0 s=255,c=3,t=16,pt=0,l=0,sg=0,st=ok:
Nonce requested from 0. Waiting...
Skipping security for command 3 type 17
read: 0-0-3 s=255,c=3,t=17,pt=6,l=25,sg=0:A45F00D4D8F06B269F8D09928663D2088313BF36C2DCCC78B6
Nonce received from 0. Proceeding with signing...
Signing backend: ATSHA204
Message to process: 030056C400FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF0300
Current nonce: A45F00D4D8F06B269F8D09928663D2088313BF36C2DCCC78B6AAAAAAAAAAAAAA
HMAC: 3A6645A45367626C11E5FCA20C19B6430DD840300ED79CB7B25097B5FED0897D
Signature in message: 016645A45367626C11E5FCA20C19B6
Message signed
Message to send has been signed
send: 3-3-0-0 s=255,c=4,t=0,pt=6,l=10,sg=1,st=ok:FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF0300
Init complete, id=3, parent=0, distance=1
TempDiff :0.12
HumDiff  :0.50
TempDiff :0.00
HumDiff  :0.50
TempDiff :0.00
HumDiff  :0.00

There is a lot of "Nonce requested from 0. Waiting..."messages

[Anticimex]

@alexsh1
I am afraid I have to repeat what I have also said to other on the forum having problems with signing;
you do not have problems with signing, you have problems with radio (st=fail). As long as you have st=fail, signing will not work reliably. It will not be less secure, but it will not let messages through.

It is easy to suspect singing, because it might very well work better with signing off, but the reason for this is that signing uses the entire maximum message payload, and this makes it "harder" for the radio to send all the bits correctly, thus increasing the chances of a st=fail in case the link is not reliable.

[alexsh1]

@Anticimex I agree with you, but I find it interesting that sending a message fails exactly 9 times every time the node starts. I have changed different nrf24l01+ modules, put the transceivers close / far - it made absolutely no influence at all. 9 times st=fail and then everything works as expected.

[Anticimex]

@alexsh1 yes, it seem an odd coincidence. But I see nothing that signing can do about it I am afraid. st=fail means a message was not confirmed to get delivered properly and signing can't handle message drops. For security reasons, I have decided to not support retransmissions of nonces. If it can't be delivered, the entire signing session is considered compromised and have to be restarted with the exchange of a new nonce.

[alexsh1]

@Anticimex said:

@alexsh1 yes, it seem an odd coincidence.

It is even more interesting that I have zero st=fail after nonce is received .
I can probably change the GW settings and the channel to make sure this is not causing any issues, but 9 st=fail in the beginning every time is a strange coincidence.

@ximinez Did you manage to get it sorted? How many st=fail do you have in the beginning?
Anyone else is having similar issues?

[Anticimex]

@alexsh1 Perhaps a long stabilization time for a power supply or clock on the node or gw cause it. You could try to add some delays and see if it is time-after-power-on that is the issue or whatever it might be. It is not signing in any case, because it is the node sending that reports st=fail. That is a rf issue. It always is. The nonce has been generated as it should, and the signing backend trusts the transport layer to handle the transmission of the databuffer, and in this case the transport layer reports back that it could not.

[alexsh1]

@Anticimex Just an idea - could it be that nonce is not generated in the beginning and requires some time? I'll do some testing tonight

[Anticimex]

@alexsh1 No, nonces are being generated:

0;255;3;0;9;SHA256: 86DEAE1DAF50D577A4E2262B33ABF9DEE05DD8FAF84F94F50900000000000000
0;255;3;0;9;Transmittng nonce
0;255;3;0;9;Skipping security for command 3 type 17
0;255;3;0;9;send: 0-0-3-3 s=255,c=3,t=17,pt=6,l=25,sg=0,st=fail:86DEAE1DAF50D577A4E2262B33ABF9DEE05DD8FAF84F94F509

and the generated nonce is not transmitted correctly (st=fail) due to some transport issue.

[alexsh1]

@Anticimex said:

@alexsh1 No, nonces are being generated:

Than I am out of guesses - I cannot explain why st=fail comes up.
FYG, I tried it without signing and it works just fine. No st=fail.
There must be something between signing and transportation or transportation after signing?

[Anticimex]

@alexsh1 like I said, signing is not in itself the problem. The problem is that big messages are failing. You can just try by generating big messages yourself and you will get the same problem. I know this by looking on what generates st=fail and it is the transport layer. Signing generates the data to be transmitted, and this data is printed and shown to be correct. Bigger messages require more reliable communications. Shorter messages has a better chance of being transmitted correctly. It is that simple. Many have reported the sake issue and have solved it by improving radio power decoupling, rearranging the sensor placement or improve the power supplies.

[alexsh1]

@Anticimex said:
Many have reported the sake issue and have solved it by improving radio power decoupling, rearranging the sensor placement or improve the power supplies.

I tried

1. powering GW/Sensobender from a different source (battery, USB, PSU - 12V in case of GW, 5v in case of sensebender via LDO)

2. swapped a few radios. Most of these are from working nodes with caps soldered. Maybe I should try completely different ones from a different batch? I mixed up three batches with no improvement.

3. Tried to place GW and the sensebender 1m/5m/10m apart

4. GW radio is powered via the AMS1117 3.3v

So far it is the same result. Not sure I can come up with anything obvious unless you can suggest

[Anticimex]

@alexsh1 sorry, I have not much else to suggest except experimenting with delays to see if the issue with failed transmissions at node startup can be avoided. I am no specialist on the radio. I'm the security guy and I see no wrong with the behaviour of those parts so I am short of any more useful suggestions I am afraid.

[hek]

@alexsh1

When did you last update the library (on the gw)? @Yveaux recently added a irq-based de-queuing from the radios FIFO. It could help on improving things.

Otherwise the only advice I have is to skip any amplified radio on gateway (if you have) and tweak powering of radio power on gw.

[alexsh1]

@Anticimex Well, at least we are fine on the security part
I'll experiment more on the radio part when I have time - why there are only 24h in a day? (rhetorical question)

[alexsh1]

@hek said:

@alexsh1

When did you last update the library (on the gw)? @Yveaux recently added a irq-based de-queuing from the radios FIFO. It could help on improving things.

Otherwise the only advice I have is to skip any amplified radio on gateway (if you have) and tweak powering of radio power on gw.

@hek
I downloaded the dev on 26/05 so it is very recent.
I have normal radios both ends, but the idea is to have amplified one on the GW as well and change rf24_pa_max. Additionally, I'll try to mix as many radios as I can have. Who knows?

To be honest, things were working OKish before as I took it seriously decoupling radios etc. This voodoo dance around radios really irritates me. Life is too short to waist it - I am now thinking seriously switching to RMF69W or probably to RFM95* (Lora)

[Anticimex]

@alexsh1 yesh i have bashed my head on rf24 stability myself and have decided to base my network on rfm69:s instead. Too much chatter @2.4ghz. I hope the 69:s have better range and they also have the bonus of AES encryption in hw if you want to obfuscate the communication some. Signing adds netter security, but the paranoid can combine signing with encryption (yes rf24 can use AES encryption in software, but that cost memory and some overhead instead)

[alexsh1]

Whatever I did, did not help to solve st=fail

When I disable signing I have got the following (not a signle st=fail):

Starting sensor (RNONA-, 2.0.0-beta)
Radio init successful.
Sensebender Micro FW 1.5 - Online!
send: 3-3-0-0 s=255,c=3,t=11,pt=0,l=17,sg=0,st=ok:Sensebender Micro
send: 3-3-0-0 s=255,c=3,t=12,pt=0,l=3,sg=0,st=ok:1.5
send: 3-3-0-0 s=1,c=0,t=6,pt=0,l=0,sg=0,st=ok:
send: 3-3-0-0 s=2,c=0,t=7,pt=0,l=0,sg=0,st=ok:
send: 3-3-0-0 s=3,c=0,t=13,pt=0,l=0,sg=0,st=ok:
isMetric: 1
TempDiff :125.61
HumDiff  :150.00
T: 25.61
H: 50
send: 3-3-0-0 s=1,c=1,t=0,pt=7,l=5,sg=0,st=ok:25.6
send: 3-3-0-0 s=2,c=1,t=1,pt=2,l=2,sg=0,st=ok:50
send: 3-3-0-0 s=3,c=1,t=38,pt=7,l=5,sg=0,st=ok:3.09
send: 3-3-0-0 s=255,c=3,t=0,pt=1,l=1,sg=0,st=ok:85

I am going to try different channels now with signing

[Anticimex]

@alexsh1 yes, without signing your messages are significantly shorter, and thus have a better chance of getting through. You can try experimenting with amplification as well.

[Yveaux]

@Anticimex just a noob question: do you have an idea of the performance penalty of (software) signing? Any benchmark figures?

[Anticimex]

@Yveaux no, sorry have not got around to compare them. But software signing is actually quicker due to the single write bit banging for the atsha204a. One way to see the difference is measuring the delay for an ACK to come back from a node that require signed messages. I have no figures, but a node with software signing responds slightly faster.

[Yveaux]

@Anticimex But is it significantly slower than without any signing?

[Anticimex]

@Yveaux yes. But I know that significant improvements can be made in the nonce whitening. It incrementally calculates a hash which is which is far less efficient than calculate the hash of a buffer. So there are room for improvements. I just wish there were more time, and now my arduinos are packed down so I wont be able to test. But volunteers are welcome, I can still code

[alexsh1]

@Anticimex said:

@alexsh1 yes, without signing your messages are significantly shorter, and thus have a better chance of getting through. You can try experimenting with amplification as well.

Do you think a message size has anything to do with st=fail?

[Anticimex]

@alexsh1 yes, like I have said here and in other topics, signing often gets the blame for transmission problems because with signing the maximum message buffer is used, and larger messages are more difficult to transmit than short ones. So if you have a poor connection, odds are that a larger message will fail more often than a short one.

[alexsh1]

@Anticimex said:

@alexsh1 yes, like I have said here and in other topics, signing often gets the blame for transmission problems because with signing the maximum message buffer is used, and larger messages are more difficult to transmit than short ones. So if you have a poor connection, odds are that a larger message will fail more often than a short one.

I do not think its signing, but I think it is implementation of signing and sending.
I do not get st=fail after the initial 9 messages not even once. Something is just very-very odd.

[ximinez]

I'm seeing the same failed signings when the device powers up, but it doesn't fail after those.

[alexsh1]

@ximinez said:

I'm seeing the same failed signings when the device powers up, but it doesn't fail after those.

Did you manage to get it sorted?

[ximinez]

I just ignore the first fails. It works after that, and has done so for close to a month.

[Anticimex]

Well, if you think the signing implementation cause initial radio transmissions to fail I am afraid I will need your help in explaining how. Because I fail to see any connection between signing and radio behaviour. st=fail is a transmission problem, and signing implementation require flawless transmissions. I also suspect you both use nrf24 and I also suspect you will not see this if you use rfm69 although I use nrf24 myself for testing and I have not seen what you report. But I am sure you really experience this strange behaviour. But I maintain that it is due to some startup problems of the radio. I am afraid I cannot find anything I can change in the signing codebase to have an influence on st=ok or st=fail. But I am all ears to suggestions of course if you see something suspicious.

[alexsh1]

@Anticimex Interesting observation - another node with the same rf24l01+ radio from the sensebender with the same GW and signing works without st=fail. This is now clear that this is not a rf24l01+ hardware issue.

[Anticimex]

@alexsh1 Indeed. And also that it is not a signing issue since I take it you use the same FW?
I still think it is a HW issue. You have a new node, right? So the radio has a new power source?

[alexsh1]

@Anticimex said:

@alexsh1 Indeed. And also that it is not a signing issue since I take it you use the same FW?
I still think it is a HW issue. You have a new node, right? So the radio has a new power source?

Yes, I tried to compare apples with apples:

1. it is the same distance / FW
2. the code is different to the expend that the sensebender has got Si7021/ATSHA204a and the other sensor did not. I may try to upload a simplified code to the sensebender just to test it to make it a more equal comparison.
3. the power source is the same - 5V 500mA via AMS1117 + cap

[Anticimex]

@alexsh1 You could also try soft signing on the sensebender and see if that makes a difference. Perhaps the atsha device interferes with the radio (this depends on routing and such things). I have no sensebender myself and I have not noticed the behavior you describe with nrf24 and atsha204a.

[alexsh1]

@Anticimex I tried the sensebender with soft singing - still the same st=fail

[Anticimex]

@alexsh1 Ok. I guess that is "good news for me" as it rules out signing related hardware as well. I guess so far, the only conclusion is that rf performance is to some extent degraded on the sensebender.

[Yveaux]

@alexsh1 just a hunch: do both nodes have identical CPU's & clock frequency?

[alexsh1]

@Yveaux Correct - I have used Pro Mini 3.3V 8Mhz which corresponds to the sensebender

[ximinez]

Is there a "pre setup" available yet? The failed transmits are before sensor values are transmitted, so they aren't in the actual sketch but somewhere in the library. I'd like to try just sleeping the sensor 5-10 seconds before the initial data is transmitted and see if that makes a difference.

[alexsh1]

@Anticimex Yeah it seems like a combination of things but not a signing problem

[Anticimex]

@ximinez not sure. I know it has been discussed. But you can always patch the library to test.

[alexsh1]

@ximinez I do not think so. Either to patch the library or you do it in the sketch. Unless I do not know some other secret place.

[hek]

@ximinez

You can add a before()-method.

[ximinez]

@hek said:

@ximinez

You can add a before()-method.

It's that easy? I'll give it a try when I get around to it, unless @alexsh1 feels like trying it first

[Haakon]

Hi! I have just gotten four Sensebenders and was hoping to connect PIRs to them and powering them with AA batteries. I understand from the forums that people do this. But is there a working Arduino sketch example implementing a PIR for wake-up out there? (And perhaps there is a more detailed description for such a hardware setup for us newbies?)

[tomkxy]

I have bought another couple of sensebenders.
I am not able to upload sketches to one of them.
When I connect the programmer the status led goes to solid red. From another one, I realized that it is not solid red.

What is the meaning of a solid red status LED?

[hek]

What does the log say when you upload?

[alexsh1]

@Haakon Have a look here - https://forum.mysensors.org/topic/2478/slim-cr123a-2aa-battery-node
Just change your board for sensebender.

[tomkxy]

@hek

D -Uflash:w:/var/folders/3s/rjbksrj96nv0hqfqjlpfw8bm0000gn/T/build8699526819198040594.tmp/SecurityPersonalizer.cpp.hex:i 

avrdude: Version 6.0.1, compiled on Apr 14 2015 at 16:30:25
         Copyright (c) 2000-2005 Brian Dean, http://www.bdmicro.com/
         Copyright (c) 2007-2009 Joerg Wunsch

         System wide configuration file is "/Applications/Arduino.app/Contents/Java/hardware/tools/avr/etc/avrdude.conf"
         User configuration file is "/Users/tom/.avrduderc"
         User configuration file does not exist or is not a regular file, skipping

         Using Port                    : /dev/cu.usbserial-DA01IGTO
         Using Programmer              : arduino
         Overriding Baud Rate          : 57600
avrdude: stk500_recv(): programmer is not responding
avrdude: stk500_getsync() attempt 1 of 10: not in sync: resp=0x00
avrdude: ser_recv(): read error: Device not configured
Probleme beim Hochladen auf die Platine. Hilfestellung dazu unter http://www.arduino.cc/en/Guide/Troubleshooting#upload

I have Sensebender selected as board.

Btw, where is the hardware folder? It is not present anymore in the development branch?

[hek]

@tomkxy said:

Btw, where is the hardware folder? It is not present anymore in the development branch?

You can use the build in board manager nowadays.
https://github.com/mysensors/ArduinoBoards

Check board for solder bridges or anything suspicious.

[johnr]

Hi,

I wonder if anyone modified the original sensebender sketch to include a door sensor?
Do you need a pullup? If you have a sketch somewhere I would be happy if you could send/post it, as I have problem finding time to code right now.

[martinhjelmare]

@johnr

Here's one for a button, but shouldn't matter:

https://forum.mysensors.org/topic/2887/sensebender-micro-button/2

[alexsh1]

@johnr This is easy.

// PIN = 2 or 3 only
 
void setup {
  pinMode(PIN,INPUT);
  digitalWrite(PIN,HIGH);
}

This activates internal pull-up.
The sensebender has got pinout of Pro Mini

[timropp]

Well that didn't go well... assembling my first micro. Soldered on some pins for the FTDI connection, added power (2xAA holder), and soldered on the radio with cap. Then I put in batteries and brought up my domoticz page to see if it showed up. Started to smell something, looked down, and there's smoke coming from the battery holder. Grabbed the whole thing and yanked the wire free then dropped it in the sink. Not sure where I screwed up, but I sure shorted something!

[hek]

Did you find the problem?

[alexsh1]

@timropp sounds like you shorted batteries somewhere

[timropp]

Nope, didn't find the problem. Must be some solder that shorted the batteries out but I don't see it. Oh well... main problem is that was my only 2AA holder on hand, and it melted right through the end of it, so now I have to wait on more before I can try again. Bummer