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What radio to use? NRF24L01+, RFM69, RFM73 ?

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  • fetsF Offline
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    fets
    wrote on last edited by
    #11

    @Cliff-Karlsson I think that :

    • H version stands for High power.
    • C version is pin compatible with RFM12.

    RFM69 uses SPI so the connections are :

    Arduino RFM69
    10 <-------------------> NSS
    11 <-------------------> MOSI
    12 <-------------------> MISO
    13 <-------------------> SCK
    DI00 <-------------------> 2
    GND <-------------------> GND
    3.3V
    ANA : antenna

    NSS, MOSI and SCK are inputs so you need to adapt level if you use 5V arduino

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    • NeverDieN Offline
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      NeverDie
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      #12

      That's right. There are really just two types of RFM69x: the regular kind like the RFM69W, and the high powered kind like the RFM69HW. The other variants are just variations in pinout so as to retrofit to the pinouts of older generation RF chips. If you're starting from a blank page, those won't matter to you.

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      • Cliff KarlssonC Offline
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        #13

        @fets said:

        s so you need to adapt level

        I just got my rfm69hw´s and connected it to an arduino nano for a couple of seconds before i realized that I needed to adapt the level. Is it possible that it survived this mistake?

        I have nov connected a IIC I2C Interface Level Conversion Module 5-3v
        I connected NSS,Mosi,SCK and GND to the "B" side and connected the arduino nano to the "A" side. Is this correct?

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        • fetsF Offline
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          wrote on last edited by
          #14

          @Cliff-Karlsson seems correct.
          Personnaly I use 3 * 2 resistors (10k and 4.7k) for NS, MOSI and SCK rfm69hw inputs.
          Don't forget to change MyTransportRF69 contructor to use high power RFM69 ;)

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          • Cliff KarlssonC Offline
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            Cliff Karlsson
            wrote on last edited by
            #15

            @fets said:

            H version stands for High power.
            C version is pin compatible with RFM12.
            RFM69 uses SPI so the connections are :

            Arduino RFM69
            10 <-------------------> NSS
            11 <-------------------> MOSI
            12 <-------------------> MISO
            13 <-------------------> SCK
            DI00 <-------------------> 2
            GND <-------------------> GND
            3.3V
            ANA : antenna

            NSS, MOSI and SCK are inputs so you need to adapt level if you use 5V arduino

            I have connected a RFM69HW to my arduino nano+rpi gateway and have connected a RFM69W+Mini Pro 3.3V to a soil sensor but nothing shows up in Domoticz. Do I have to do anything else? Do I need a external antenna? The two RFM's is only like 1m apart.

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            • Cliff KarlssonC Offline
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              Cliff Karlsson
              wrote on last edited by
              #16

              Do I need to alter the code for the gateway or the sensor-sketches?

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              • Cliff KarlssonC Cliff Karlsson

                @fets said:

                H version stands for High power.
                C version is pin compatible with RFM12.
                RFM69 uses SPI so the connections are :

                Arduino RFM69
                10 <-------------------> NSS
                11 <-------------------> MOSI
                12 <-------------------> MISO
                13 <-------------------> SCK
                DI00 <-------------------> 2
                GND <-------------------> GND
                3.3V
                ANA : antenna

                NSS, MOSI and SCK are inputs so you need to adapt level if you use 5V arduino

                I have connected a RFM69HW to my arduino nano+rpi gateway and have connected a RFM69W+Mini Pro 3.3V to a soil sensor but nothing shows up in Domoticz. Do I have to do anything else? Do I need a external antenna? The two RFM's is only like 1m apart.

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                fets
                wrote on last edited by
                #17

                @Cliff-Karlsson said:
                Do I need a external antenna? The two RFM's is only like 1m apart.

                I never tested without antenna. I used simple wire the length dependinf of your frequency?
                Did you look at your arduino serial outpout ?
                If there is nothing, it may that because RFM69 init failed

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                • NeverDieN Offline
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                  NeverDie
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                  wrote on last edited by
                  #18

                  Yes you should put an antenna on. It doesn't have a PCB trace antenna. A simple piece of wire, typically cut to 1/4 wavelength, will work fine.

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                  • Cliff KarlssonC Offline
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                    Cliff Karlsson
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                    #19

                    Ok, I have some thin insulated copper wire, will that work? And how long wire will I need for the 868mhz frequency?

                    But just to be clear, do I need to alter the gateway or the sensor sketches in some way to have it use the rfm radio?

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                    • fetsF Offline
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                      fets
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #20

                      1/4 wavelength = (3 10^8 / (868 10^6)) / 4 =>about 8.64 cm

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                      • Cliff KarlssonC Offline
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                        Cliff Karlsson
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #21

                        Thanks, sorry for repeating the question but do I need to alter the code on gateway or sensors?

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                        • fetsF Offline
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                          fets
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #22

                          You only need to create a MyTransportRFM69 instead of MyTransportNRF24. This is the constructor : MyTransportRFM69 (RFM69_FREQUENCY, RFM69_NETWORKID, RF69_SPI_CS, RF69_IRQ_PIN, isRFM69HW, RF69_IRQ_NUM);
                          if you use a RFM99H, you have to set the 5th parameter (isRFMHW) to true.

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                            Cliff Karlsson
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                            #23

                            Sorry for being semi-retarded, but is this done in the gateway sketch? Sensor
                            -sketch or both? Is there any documentation on this part as I am a complete beginner.

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                              fets
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #24

                              both, here is the documentation

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                                Francois
                                wrote on last edited by Francois
                                #25

                                @Cliff-Karlsson You have to change the following setting in Myconfig.h for you radio

                                
                                /**********************************
                                *  RFM69 Driver Defaults
                                ***********************************/
                                // Default network id. Use the same for all nodes that will talk to each other
                                #define RFM69_NETWORKID     100
                                
                                // Default frequency to use. This must match the hardware version of the RFM69 radio (uncomment one):
                                 #define RFM69_FREQUENCY   RF69_433MHZ
                                //#define RFM69_FREQUENCY   RF69_868MHZ
                                //#define FREQUENCY     RF69_915MHZ
                                
                                // Enable this for encryption of packets
                                //#define RFM69_ENABLE_ENCRYPTION
                                #define RFM69_ENCRYPTKEY  "sampleEncryptKey"
                                
                                

                                Then in MySensor.h you change the following:

                                ifndef MySensor_h
                                #define MySensor_h
                                #include "Version.h"   // Auto generated by bot
                                #include "MyConfig.h"
                                #include "MyHw.h"
                                #include "MyTransport.h"
                                //#include "MyTransportNRF24.h"
                                #include "MyTransportRFM69.h" 
                                #include "MyParser.h"
                                #ifdef MY_SIGNING_FEATURE
                                #include "MySigning.h"
                                #include "MySigningNone.h"
                                #endif
                                #include "MyMessage.h"
                                #ifdef MY_OTA_FIRMWARE_FEATURE
                                #include "utility/SPIFlash.h"
                                #endif
                                #include <stddef.h>
                                #include <stdarg.h>```
                                
                                
                                // look for this lines and changes this
                                
                                class MySensor
                                {
                                  public:
                                	/**
                                	* Constructor
                                	*
                                	* Creates a new instance of Sensor class.
                                	*
                                	*/
                                	//MySensor(MyTransport &radio =*new MyTransportNRF24(), MyHw &hw=*new MyHwDriver()
                                	MySensor(MyTransport &radio =*new MyTransportRFM69(), MyHw &hw=*new MyHwDriver()
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                                • Cliff KarlssonC Offline
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                                  Cliff Karlsson
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #26

                                  @fets said:

                                  MyTransportRFM69 (RFM69_FREQUENCY, RFM69_NETWORKID, RF69_SPI_CS, RF69_IRQ_PIN, isRFM69HW, RF69_IRQ_NUM);

                                  Hmm. I can't get it to work. This is what I have done:
                                  In Myconfig.H:

                                  Everything was already set up like the example only 868Mhz was uncommented and that is the same as I got.

                                  Mysensors.h:

                                  Commented #include "MyTransportNRF24.h" as in the example.
                                  Added "#include "MyTransportRFM69.h" as it was not present.

                                  Under class Mysensor,
                                  Commented "MySensor(MyTransport &radio =*new MyTransportNRF24(), MyHw &hw=*new MyHwDriver()"
                                  Added "MySensor(MyTransport &radio =*new MyTransportRFM69(), MyHw &hw=*new MyHwDriver()"

                                  In the Serial Gateway sketch:
                                  Commented the line "#include <MyTransportNRF24.h>"
                                  Commented the line "MyTransportNRF24 transport(RF24_CE_PIN, RF24_CS_PIN, RF24_PA_LEVEL_GW);"
                                  Added the line "MyTransportRFM69 (RFM69_FREQUENCY, RFM69_NETWORKID, RF69_SPI_CS, RF69_IRQ_PIN, isRFM69HW=true, RF69_IRQ_NUM);

                                  When trying to upload to my nano I get an error:

                                  'transport' was not declared in this scope.
                                  And this line is highlighted: MySensor gw(transport, hw /, signer/);

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                                  • Cliff KarlssonC Cliff Karlsson

                                    @fets said:

                                    MyTransportRFM69 (RFM69_FREQUENCY, RFM69_NETWORKID, RF69_SPI_CS, RF69_IRQ_PIN, isRFM69HW, RF69_IRQ_NUM);

                                    Hmm. I can't get it to work. This is what I have done:
                                    In Myconfig.H:

                                    Everything was already set up like the example only 868Mhz was uncommented and that is the same as I got.

                                    Mysensors.h:

                                    Commented #include "MyTransportNRF24.h" as in the example.
                                    Added "#include "MyTransportRFM69.h" as it was not present.

                                    Under class Mysensor,
                                    Commented "MySensor(MyTransport &radio =*new MyTransportNRF24(), MyHw &hw=*new MyHwDriver()"
                                    Added "MySensor(MyTransport &radio =*new MyTransportRFM69(), MyHw &hw=*new MyHwDriver()"

                                    In the Serial Gateway sketch:
                                    Commented the line "#include <MyTransportNRF24.h>"
                                    Commented the line "MyTransportNRF24 transport(RF24_CE_PIN, RF24_CS_PIN, RF24_PA_LEVEL_GW);"
                                    Added the line "MyTransportRFM69 (RFM69_FREQUENCY, RFM69_NETWORKID, RF69_SPI_CS, RF69_IRQ_PIN, isRFM69HW=true, RF69_IRQ_NUM);

                                    When trying to upload to my nano I get an error:

                                    'transport' was not declared in this scope.
                                    And this line is highlighted: MySensor gw(transport, hw /, signer/);

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                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #27

                                    @Cliff-Karlsson, sorry for my late answer.
                                    you made a mistake on the line added in the serialgateway, it should be :
                                    MyTransportRFM69 transport (RFM69_FREQUENCY, RFM69_NETWORKID, RF69_SPI_CS, RF69_IRQ_PIN, true, RF69_IRQ_NUM) ;

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                                      Hardware Contributor
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #28

                                      Has anyone used the Raspberry Pi Gateway implementation with an Rf69? Does it work? On which pin does one connect the interrupt pin ?

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                                      • Cliff KarlssonC Offline
                                        Cliff KarlssonC Offline
                                        Cliff Karlsson
                                        wrote on last edited by Cliff Karlsson
                                        #29

                                        @fets said:

                                        Personnaly I use 3 * 2 resistors (10k and 4.7k) for NS, MOSI and SCK rfm69hw inputs.

                                        Ok, I am continuing with my neverending story :) I have gotten the sketches to complie and I have used a 8.6cm wire as antenna for both of them. But I still does not se any sensors in domoticz. I might have destroyed my radios as I might have accidently used 5 volts on them for a short while. I am trying to use some new radios this time.

                                        First question: I have a RFM69HW on my gateway and a RFM69W on my sensor (both 868Mhz) They are compatible as I understand only that the H is more powerful?

                                        Second question: If I am using a Nano I can just cut a cable in two and solder a 10k and a 4.7k in series in between them before connecting the NS, MOSI and SCK ? When checking online voltage divider calculators online and specify 5V in and 10k + 4,7k resistors it says that voltage out is 1.599v

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                                        • Cliff KarlssonC Cliff Karlsson

                                          @fets said:

                                          Personnaly I use 3 * 2 resistors (10k and 4.7k) for NS, MOSI and SCK rfm69hw inputs.

                                          Ok, I am continuing with my neverending story :) I have gotten the sketches to complie and I have used a 8.6cm wire as antenna for both of them. But I still does not se any sensors in domoticz. I might have destroyed my radios as I might have accidently used 5 volts on them for a short while. I am trying to use some new radios this time.

                                          First question: I have a RFM69HW on my gateway and a RFM69W on my sensor (both 868Mhz) They are compatible as I understand only that the H is more powerful?

                                          Second question: If I am using a Nano I can just cut a cable in two and solder a 10k and a 4.7k in series in between them before connecting the NS, MOSI and SCK ? When checking online voltage divider calculators online and specify 5V in and 10k + 4,7k resistors it says that voltage out is 1.599v

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                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #30

                                          First question: I have a RFM69HW on my gateway and a RFM69W on my sensor (both 868Mhz) They are compatible as I understand only that the H is more powerful?

                                          Assuming they are of the same frequency, then basically yes, though there is one small difference in the code to account for the RFM69HW having a PA, which MUST be turned on for it to transmit.

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