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  • M martim

    This is the front part. The connected cable goes to the FTD232 which also is currently the power supply.

    0_1486835929737_IMG_3545.JPG !

    The red wire on the back plane connects the plus from arduino to the plus for the radio (soldered on the + of cap)
    0_1486835943373_IMG_3546.JPG !

    Try to zoom in.
    0_1486835954003_zoomed.png

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    wrote on last edited by sundberg84
    #108

    @martim - read the insctructions again.
    If you are using the board with a 3.3v arduino and battery you need to connect the BAT jumper and use a booster.

    If you are using a 3.3 arduino with a regulated power you can add a jumper/wire over the booster and connect the BAT jumper.

    Controller: Proxmox VM - Home Assistant
    MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - W5100 Ethernet, Gw Shield Nrf24l01+ 2,4Ghz
    MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - Gw Shield RFM69, 433mhz
    RFLink GW - Arduino Mega + RFLink Shield, 433mhz

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    • sundberg84S sundberg84

      @martim - read the insctructions again.
      If you are using the board with a 3.3v arduino and battery you need to connect the BAT jumper and use a booster.

      If you are using a 3.3 arduino with a regulated power you can add a jumper/wire over the booster and connect the BAT jumper.

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      #109

      @sundberg84
      Ok, Thanks I will try the second suggestion. (my booster is still not delivered and hard to get at the moment :()

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        #110

        Found one issue. On the PCB board the was a very small broken wire. I think the postman was not very careful with it. At least I have some better logging but still not there.

        How can I solve this one?

        0 MCO:BGN:INIT NODE,CP=RNNNA--,VER=2.1.1
        4 TSM:INIT
        4 TSF:WUR:MS=0
        12 TSM:INIT:TSP OK
        14 TSM:INIT:STATID=20
        16 TSF:SID:OK,ID=20
        18 TSM:FPAR
        55 TSF:MSG:SEND,20-20-255-255,s=255,c=3,t=7,pt=0,l=0,sg=0,ft=0,st=OK:
        2064 !TSM:FPAR:NO REPLY
        2066 TSM:FPAR
        2103 TSF:MSG:SEND,20-20-255-255,s=255,c=3,t=7,pt=0,l=0,sg=0,ft=0,st=OK:
        4112 !TSM:FPAR:NO REPLY
        4114 TSM:FPAR
        4151 TSF:MSG:SEND,20-20-255-255,s=255,c=3,t=7,pt=0,l=0,sg=0,ft=0,st=OK:
        6160 !TSM:FPAR:NO REPLY
        6162 TSM:FPAR
        6199 TSF:MSG:SEND,20-20-255-255,s=255,c=3,t=7,pt=0,l=0,sg=0,ft=0,st=OK:
        8208 !TSM:FPAR:FAIL
        8210 TSM:FAIL:CNT=1
        8212 TSM:FAIL:PDT
        

        Does this mean the gateway does not reply? It does with other sensors?

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        • M martim

          Found one issue. On the PCB board the was a very small broken wire. I think the postman was not very careful with it. At least I have some better logging but still not there.

          How can I solve this one?

          0 MCO:BGN:INIT NODE,CP=RNNNA--,VER=2.1.1
          4 TSM:INIT
          4 TSF:WUR:MS=0
          12 TSM:INIT:TSP OK
          14 TSM:INIT:STATID=20
          16 TSF:SID:OK,ID=20
          18 TSM:FPAR
          55 TSF:MSG:SEND,20-20-255-255,s=255,c=3,t=7,pt=0,l=0,sg=0,ft=0,st=OK:
          2064 !TSM:FPAR:NO REPLY
          2066 TSM:FPAR
          2103 TSF:MSG:SEND,20-20-255-255,s=255,c=3,t=7,pt=0,l=0,sg=0,ft=0,st=OK:
          4112 !TSM:FPAR:NO REPLY
          4114 TSM:FPAR
          4151 TSF:MSG:SEND,20-20-255-255,s=255,c=3,t=7,pt=0,l=0,sg=0,ft=0,st=OK:
          6160 !TSM:FPAR:NO REPLY
          6162 TSM:FPAR
          6199 TSF:MSG:SEND,20-20-255-255,s=255,c=3,t=7,pt=0,l=0,sg=0,ft=0,st=OK:
          8208 !TSM:FPAR:FAIL
          8210 TSM:FAIL:CNT=1
          8212 TSM:FAIL:PDT
          

          Does this mean the gateway does not reply? It does with other sensors?

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          #111

          @martim - yes, it doesnt get the connection to the GW as it wants... might be node or gw. Do you have caps on both?

          Controller: Proxmox VM - Home Assistant
          MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - W5100 Ethernet, Gw Shield Nrf24l01+ 2,4Ghz
          MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - Gw Shield RFM69, 433mhz
          RFLink GW - Arduino Mega + RFLink Shield, 433mhz

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            martim
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            #112

            Have solved the issue. Removed the cap from the board and directly soldered to the Radio Board. That's was solving the issue.

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              #113

              Awesome board!!!
              How do I access A2, A3 and D8?

              Thanks a lot

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              • H hiddenuser

                Awesome board!!!
                How do I access A2, A3 and D8?

                Thanks a lot

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                wrote on last edited by sundberg84
                #114

                @hiddenuser - they are not accesses through the PCB:
                0_1490798623451_1.JPG

                You need to solder a wire on the Pro Mini and run somewhere, like the prototyping area.

                Controller: Proxmox VM - Home Assistant
                MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - W5100 Ethernet, Gw Shield Nrf24l01+ 2,4Ghz
                MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - Gw Shield RFM69, 433mhz
                RFLink GW - Arduino Mega + RFLink Shield, 433mhz

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                • sundberg84S sundberg84

                  @hiddenuser - they are not accesses through the PCB:
                  0_1490798623451_1.JPG

                  You need to solder a wire on the Pro Mini and run somewhere, like the prototyping area.

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                  #115

                  @sundberg84 Thanks a lot.... My ebay seller sent me a Atmega168 5v. I have noticed that you boards supports 5v version too. Would I be able to power it using raw (12v).

                  Thanks a lot .

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                    @sundberg84 Thanks a lot.... My ebay seller sent me a Atmega168 5v. I have noticed that you boards supports 5v version too. Would I be able to power it using raw (12v).

                    Thanks a lot .

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                    #116

                    @hiddenuser - as long as the voltage divider on the board supports 12v that will work. A warning on the cheap chinese stuff is that this voltage regulator is bad and might fry.

                    Controller: Proxmox VM - Home Assistant
                    MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - W5100 Ethernet, Gw Shield Nrf24l01+ 2,4Ghz
                    MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - Gw Shield RFM69, 433mhz
                    RFLink GW - Arduino Mega + RFLink Shield, 433mhz

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                    • sundberg84S sundberg84

                      @hiddenuser - as long as the voltage divider on the board supports 12v that will work. A warning on the cheap chinese stuff is that this voltage regulator is bad and might fry.

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                      #117

                      @sundberg84 - thanks for your board, it seems to be almost exactly what I was looking for! What do you think would be the best way to adjust it if I need to boost the batteries not only to 3.3V, but also to 5V to run the pir sensor?

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                      • A achurak1

                        @sundberg84 - thanks for your board, it seems to be almost exactly what I was looking for! What do you think would be the best way to adjust it if I need to boost the batteries not only to 3.3V, but also to 5V to run the pir sensor?

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                        #118

                        @achurak1 - do you mean running 5v on batteries? Sorry - thats out of my knowledge.
                        I guess there are 5v boosters but my guess is also that this will drain the batteries pretty fast.
                        I have made test with 9v batteries and voltage regulaters and this has worked for some time but never gives the lifetime as 3.3v on 2xAA.

                        Controller: Proxmox VM - Home Assistant
                        MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - W5100 Ethernet, Gw Shield Nrf24l01+ 2,4Ghz
                        MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - Gw Shield RFM69, 433mhz
                        RFLink GW - Arduino Mega + RFLink Shield, 433mhz

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                        • sundberg84S sundberg84

                          @achurak1 - do you mean running 5v on batteries? Sorry - thats out of my knowledge.
                          I guess there are 5v boosters but my guess is also that this will drain the batteries pretty fast.
                          I have made test with 9v batteries and voltage regulaters and this has worked for some time but never gives the lifetime as 3.3v on 2xAA.

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                          @sundberg84 - correct, the 5v booster looks exactly like the 3.3v booster. I have another sensor I've built manually and it works exactly like that, arduino/temp/hum/radio all work from 3.3v and pir works from 5v. I power it all with two rechargeable batteries (so ~2.6 max charged, not even 3) and it's been running good for several months already and still shows 2.45-2.50.

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                            @sundberg84 - correct, the 5v booster looks exactly like the 3.3v booster. I have another sensor I've built manually and it works exactly like that, arduino/temp/hum/radio all work from 3.3v and pir works from 5v. I power it all with two rechargeable batteries (so ~2.6 max charged, not even 3) and it's been running good for several months already and still shows 2.45-2.50.

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                            #120

                            @achurak1 do you know you could modify the pir sensor to work directly from batteries by removing the regulator?

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                              @achurak1 do you know you could modify the pir sensor to work directly from batteries by removing the regulator?

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                              @gohan - I tried to connect the 3.3v to one of the three pins where you'd usually put a jumper (H, L pads) as I've seen people discussing it on this forum and it just didn't work for me, the sensor did work, but very unstable, would fire up every time radio sends or receives something.

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                                #122

                                Because you need to add an extra AA battery to increase voltage to around 4,5v just for the pir sensor

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                                  Because you need to add an extra AA battery to increase voltage to around 4,5v just for the pir sensor

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                                  #123

                                  @gohan - not sure how exactly it answers my question? I thought you meant I could run the pir from 3.3v. I could plug everything to an outlet and don't worry about the batteries at all. The pir works perfectly from two batteries and the 5v booster, so why would I want to add more batteries and make the whole thing much bigger?

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                                    #124

                                    I was just saying that without regulators/boosters you can still make a working sensor and get a better battery life. If you don't mind battery life or you can make an outlet powered sensor, of course it makes not much sense.

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                                      #125

                                      Im doing a new revision here with RFM69 support.
                                      I never used the RFM69 though - is there anything I should take in mind?

                                      • Is it the same with IRQ as Nrf24l01+ - not used, but good to have ie. should i have a jumper so the user can connect IRQ ?
                                      • The antenna, is it enough with a jumper/hole so the user can solder a antenna of their own? Or is the trace/trace-length also included as the antenna?

                                      Controller: Proxmox VM - Home Assistant
                                      MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - W5100 Ethernet, Gw Shield Nrf24l01+ 2,4Ghz
                                      MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - Gw Shield RFM69, 433mhz
                                      RFLink GW - Arduino Mega + RFLink Shield, 433mhz

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                                        #126

                                        The problem with rfm69 is that they work on 3 different frequencies, so you have to choose which frequency you want to support. I'm not sure if the correct length for the 433mhz is good also for the 866mhz. Let's hope somebody more expert shows up 😀

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                                          The problem with rfm69 is that they work on 3 different frequencies, so you have to choose which frequency you want to support. I'm not sure if the correct length for the 433mhz is good also for the 866mhz. Let's hope somebody more expert shows up 😀

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                                          #127

                                          @gohan - You mean with the antenna? (But the footprint is the same?)
                                          Well, if the trace isnt added to the lenght of the antenna and I add a through-hole the user can just add what kind of lenght they want?

                                          Controller: Proxmox VM - Home Assistant
                                          MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - W5100 Ethernet, Gw Shield Nrf24l01+ 2,4Ghz
                                          MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - Gw Shield RFM69, 433mhz
                                          RFLink GW - Arduino Mega + RFLink Shield, 433mhz

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