domoticz auto add device (mysensors) even if disable "Accept new Hardware Devices"
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@Nicklas-Starkel
are you sure about whitelisting? this problem resolved with whitelisting???@Reza
From what I understand the GateWay will add all nodes even if you do not want them to. But not to the controller if you have "inclusion option" on the GateWay.
There is a possibility that if you use the "inclusion option" maybe it will pick up all sensors not already added (ie your neighbour) if they are sending while inclusion is looking for new sensors.
If you want to stop this you will have to use whitelisting on MAC adress. But this requires you to reprogram GateWay everytime you want to add new sensor (or maybe it is possibility to have same MAC for all?).
And of course you will have to program a MAC adress for all sensors/per sensor the first time as well.
I thought this problem would be solved with only using Signing, but because of backwards compability the creators did not enable this in the GateWay.
If you only would want signing, you could make all nodes connect via a repeater node.
Because between repeater nodes and regular nodes signing is enabled and no other nodes is accepted which aren't signed with correct signing :)
And if you use Whitelisting only between GateWay and repeater node, you are set.Note: I could be wrong ;)
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@Reza
From what I understand the GateWay will add all nodes even if you do not want them to. But not to the controller if you have "inclusion option" on the GateWay.
There is a possibility that if you use the "inclusion option" maybe it will pick up all sensors not already added (ie your neighbour) if they are sending while inclusion is looking for new sensors.
If you want to stop this you will have to use whitelisting on MAC adress. But this requires you to reprogram GateWay everytime you want to add new sensor (or maybe it is possibility to have same MAC for all?).
And of course you will have to program a MAC adress for all sensors/per sensor the first time as well.
I thought this problem would be solved with only using Signing, but because of backwards compability the creators did not enable this in the GateWay.
If you only would want signing, you could make all nodes connect via a repeater node.
Because between repeater nodes and regular nodes signing is enabled and no other nodes is accepted which aren't signed with correct signing :)
And if you use Whitelisting only between GateWay and repeater node, you are set.Note: I could be wrong ;)
@Nicklas-Starkel repeater nodes will just forward signed messages. It will only verify messages addressed directly to it like all nodes. Signing is end to end.
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@Nicklas-Starkel repeater nodes will just forward signed messages. It will only verify messages addressed directly to it like all nodes. Signing is end to end.
@Anticimex yes. But since his neighbours nodes aren't signed (or with wrong signation), the repeater will not forward them to his gateway.
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@Anticimex yes. But since his neighbours nodes aren't signed (or with wrong signation), the repeater will not forward them to his gateway.
Or am I totally wrong?@Nicklas-Starkel repeater forwards what is sent to it. But if your gw is set to require signatures and your node has presented itself as a node that require signatures, gw will not accept unsigned messages from that node. If the message passes through a repeater or not does not matter.
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@Nicklas-Starkel repeater forwards what is sent to it. But if your gw is set to require signatures and your node has presented itself as a node that require signatures, gw will not accept unsigned messages from that node. If the message passes through a repeater or not does not matter.
can i use a specific range "node_id" for my gateway? for example my gateway just add device that range of node id is between 5000 until 5500 ? and out of range dont detect and add ?!
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The Gateways doesn't care at all by nodeId's. It only acts as a Gatteway, and retransmits the signal received on air, to the controller on the computer.
There is no pairing mode, or inclusion mode, implemented in the gateway.
The INCLUSION_FEATURE will send a command to the controller and instruct it to turn on inclusion mode (if implemented correct)
That is, all inclusion mode specifics are made on the controller side (Vera, Domoticz, OpenHab etc). All the gateway are doing is sending the data from nodes, to the controller, and from the controller, to the nodes.
The Gateway can not reserve a number of node ID's (and specially not id 5000, because mysensors only supports up to 255 nodes on the network, all with 255 child sensors attached). As the reservation is done on the controller level.
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The Gateways doesn't care at all by nodeId's. It only acts as a Gatteway, and retransmits the signal received on air, to the controller on the computer.
There is no pairing mode, or inclusion mode, implemented in the gateway.
The INCLUSION_FEATURE will send a command to the controller and instruct it to turn on inclusion mode (if implemented correct)
That is, all inclusion mode specifics are made on the controller side (Vera, Domoticz, OpenHab etc). All the gateway are doing is sending the data from nodes, to the controller, and from the controller, to the nodes.
The Gateway can not reserve a number of node ID's (and specially not id 5000, because mysensors only supports up to 255 nodes on the network, all with 255 child sensors attached). As the reservation is done on the controller level.
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The Gateways doesn't care at all by nodeId's. It only acts as a Gatteway, and retransmits the signal received on air, to the controller on the computer.
There is no pairing mode, or inclusion mode, implemented in the gateway.
The INCLUSION_FEATURE will send a command to the controller and instruct it to turn on inclusion mode (if implemented correct)
That is, all inclusion mode specifics are made on the controller side (Vera, Domoticz, OpenHab etc). All the gateway are doing is sending the data from nodes, to the controller, and from the controller, to the nodes.
The Gateway can not reserve a number of node ID's (and specially not id 5000, because mysensors only supports up to 255 nodes on the network, all with 255 child sensors attached). As the reservation is done on the controller level.
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If your neighbor knows your network frequency / network address, he can potentially add your nodes to his network. That is why signing is there for sensitive nodes, like locks etc.
@tbowmo said:
If your neighbor knows your network frequency / network address, he can potentially add your nodes to his network. That is why signing is there for sensitive nodes, like locks etc.
1.so with signing this problem can resolved? i use a signing for my WSN and i told to my neighbor that use a signing for his WSN . Will solve it?
2.also suppose a thief come near my home door , and he has a domoticz with a mysensors gateway ! so if i use a mysensors relay (signing) for electric door lock , he can add my relay to his controller and open my home door ?please first told me about 1 , and about 2
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@tbowmo said:
If your neighbor knows your network frequency / network address, he can potentially add your nodes to his network. That is why signing is there for sensitive nodes, like locks etc.
1.so with signing this problem can resolved? i use a signing for my WSN and i told to my neighbor that use a signing for his WSN . Will solve it?
2.also suppose a thief come near my home door , and he has a domoticz with a mysensors gateway ! so if i use a mysensors relay (signing) for electric door lock , he can add my relay to his controller and open my home door ?please first told me about 1 , and about 2
@Reza Read the documentation please. https://www.mysensors.org/about/signing
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@Reza Read the documentation please. https://www.mysensors.org/about/signing
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@Anticimex
thank you and just one question :) i'm sorry.
how to change frequency for my gateway and my sensors and devices?@Reza I don't know. Signing does not care about frequencies. But a good guess would be to check in MyConfig.h as has already been suggested in this thread. Or search the codebase for "frequency" perhaps.
We are not a living dictionary, you have to expect to do some searching yourself when you work with a project that is "DIY". The slogan for the entire site/community says it all: "IOT+DIY=MySensors". -
@Reza I don't know. Signing does not care about frequencies. But a good guess would be to check in MyConfig.h as has already been suggested in this thread. Or search the codebase for "frequency" perhaps.
We are not a living dictionary, you have to expect to do some searching yourself when you work with a project that is "DIY". The slogan for the entire site/community says it all: "IOT+DIY=MySensors".@Anticimex
in domoticz forum told me to "You should separate these two networks by using different frequency" so i want test this for Separation my WSN with neighbor WSNthank you my friend for help
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If I'm reading the domoticz codebase correctly there is two problems:
- It will add the node in MySensors node/child listing even if the "Accept new hardware device" flag is disabled. But it wont create domoticz core/ui/..-devices from those.
- I_INCLUSION_MODE message is not supported by domoticz.
@Reza can you update title of this topic also :)
For reference: https://www.domoticz.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=13481&start=20#p97600
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If I'm reading the domoticz codebase correctly there is two problems:
- It will add the node in MySensors node/child listing even if the "Accept new hardware device" flag is disabled. But it wont create domoticz core/ui/..-devices from those.
- I_INCLUSION_MODE message is not supported by domoticz.
@Reza can you update title of this topic also :)
For reference: https://www.domoticz.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=13481&start=20#p97600
Please correct if I've provided misleading information.@pjr
my friend you are presence in all of forum :) :) :)
i change also this title topic for you :)
about domoticz forum i dont understand you mean (The last line )
but generally , i have a network with Rpi (serial gateway) and my neighbor build also a network with Rpi (serial gateway) recently. but after the time , i noticed his devices added in my controller in devices panel ! so for check this issue i setup domoticz with windows (with a serial gateway) so i see devices added auto . . .
you told me device are just in "setup->hardware->mysensors setup" but this is not true . after some refresh web and some push button "learn light/switch" without push reset button on devices !! ( please note without push reset button on sensors) devices are added in "setup->devices" !!!now i use 2 frequency for gateway (my Rpi and windows) and this is work true and thank you for this <3 i change my all device frequency and i think solved problem between i and my neighbor . this is easy more for me (beginner) . i can not change codes of domoticz . but now i am trying to learn signing (this is hard for me also :) )
but i think signing is not useful ! until that domoticz have this bug , the theif just need my frequency for add and control my device ! so i must dont use my sensors(relay) for door lock and security!!in the end very thank you for help "using different frequency"
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@pjr
my friend you are presence in all of forum :) :) :)
i change also this title topic for you :)
about domoticz forum i dont understand you mean (The last line )
but generally , i have a network with Rpi (serial gateway) and my neighbor build also a network with Rpi (serial gateway) recently. but after the time , i noticed his devices added in my controller in devices panel ! so for check this issue i setup domoticz with windows (with a serial gateway) so i see devices added auto . . .
you told me device are just in "setup->hardware->mysensors setup" but this is not true . after some refresh web and some push button "learn light/switch" without push reset button on devices !! ( please note without push reset button on sensors) devices are added in "setup->devices" !!!now i use 2 frequency for gateway (my Rpi and windows) and this is work true and thank you for this <3 i change my all device frequency and i think solved problem between i and my neighbor . this is easy more for me (beginner) . i can not change codes of domoticz . but now i am trying to learn signing (this is hard for me also :) )
but i think signing is not useful ! until that domoticz have this bug , the theif just need my frequency for add and control my device ! so i must dont use my sensors(relay) for door lock and security!!in the end very thank you for help "using different frequency"
@Reza if your lock node require signing, nobody but you can use it. That is the whole point with signing. It does not matter if anyone else tries to send data to it. If it is not properly signed the node will ignore it. I suggest you read the docs on signing carefully (yes read ALL of it). It gives all you need to get going with signing.
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@Reza if your lock node require signing, nobody but you can use it. That is the whole point with signing. It does not matter if anyone else tries to send data to it. If it is not properly signed the node will ignore it. I suggest you read the docs on signing carefully (yes read ALL of it). It gives all you need to get going with signing.
thank you very very much my dear @Anticimex for help me .
signing is a complicated issue for me but i am trying for learn this. . .
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@pjr
my friend you are presence in all of forum :) :) :)
i change also this title topic for you :)
about domoticz forum i dont understand you mean (The last line )
but generally , i have a network with Rpi (serial gateway) and my neighbor build also a network with Rpi (serial gateway) recently. but after the time , i noticed his devices added in my controller in devices panel ! so for check this issue i setup domoticz with windows (with a serial gateway) so i see devices added auto . . .
you told me device are just in "setup->hardware->mysensors setup" but this is not true . after some refresh web and some push button "learn light/switch" without push reset button on devices !! ( please note without push reset button on sensors) devices are added in "setup->devices" !!!now i use 2 frequency for gateway (my Rpi and windows) and this is work true and thank you for this <3 i change my all device frequency and i think solved problem between i and my neighbor . this is easy more for me (beginner) . i can not change codes of domoticz . but now i am trying to learn signing (this is hard for me also :) )
but i think signing is not useful ! until that domoticz have this bug , the theif just need my frequency for add and control my device ! so i must dont use my sensors(relay) for door lock and security!!in the end very thank you for help "using different frequency"
@Reza said:
but i think signing is not useful ! until that domoticz have this bug , the theif just need my frequency for add and control my device ! so i must dont use my sensors(relay) for door lock and security!!
No the "domoticz bug" is not a problem since it dont affect your sensor network or the way theif can use your mysensors network.
Domoticz doesnt have anything to do with signing or encrypting. Its just listening and sending readable serial messages to your gateway.With signing you make thief not able to use(send messages to) your doorlock.
With encryption you make it almost impossible for the thief read RF messages your nodes/gw are transmitting.There is good reading for you:
https://www.mysensors.org/about/signing
https://forum.mysensors.org/topic/1021/security-introducing-signing-support-to-mysensors
