Particle Powered Air Quality Sensor Logging to Google Docs

[Nca78]

Thank you for the feedback @jaredwolff, that is very useful.
Do you confirm that you use the BSEC library for the BME680 and not direct values from the sensor ?

[jaredwolff]

@nca78 I am using the BSEC library. I’m using the compensated humidity and temperature so I’m sure if that. I may have to take a second look at the code for both sensors. I may have mucked something up!

[FotoFieber]

@jaredwolff
My experiments with VOC sensors were all not satisfactory.

The NDIR-sensors reported more or less the same as the netatmo devices and I will therefore stick with them. Apart from that, using the NDIR-sensors in arduino is much easier and you don't have to store baselines or link precompiled code.

[Nca78]

@fotofieber said in Particle Powered Air Quality Sensor Logging to Google Docs:

@jaredwolff
My experiments with VOC sensors were all not satisfactory.

The NDIR-sensors reported more or less the same as the netatmo devices and I will therefore stick with them. Apart from that, using the NDIR-sensors in arduino is much easier and you don't have to store baselines or link precompiled code.

Of course sensors measuring CO2 will give better results than sensors trying to guess the CO2 levels by measuring something else.
But the power consumption is way too high, my hope was to be able to have a battery (li-ion) powered sensor able to run the BME680 in low power settings for a few months and just use it as a warning on when you need to ventilate a room. Unfortunately it seems to not even be fit for this limited use case :(

[jaredwolff]

@nca78 I mean, you can run it on a battery. Just need a really big one! 😬

Because of the internal heater it does make it hard to integrate into a battery powered application.

I haven’t measured the low power mode on the BME. What were you getting @Nca78

[Nca78]

@jaredwolff said in Particle Powered Air Quality Sensor Logging to Google Docs:

I haven’t measured the low power mode on the BME. What were you getting @Nca78

With 5mn interval it's supposed to use only 90uA, it's good enough for a li-ion battery of a reasonable size.

[jaredwolff]

@nca78 agreed. It totally depends on the application. On a 225mA button cell that may not work especially if it has to last a year or two!

[Sebex]

So @jaredwolff & @FotoFieber what sensor would you suggest to use for measuring air quality using an Arduino (nano/uno), with the option to make it battery powered in the future. From my understanding this will remove the BME from the list due to memory/computing requirements. What are your suggestions?

[jaredwolff]

Hey @Sebex

After running my setup for more than 8 months here are a few suggestions:

1. If you care about particulates then the PM2.5 sensor works wonders. I've been using the HPMA115S0. It uses UART which you should be able to use with any Arduino variant.
2. If you're more concerned with chemicals, a MOx sensor like the CCS811 is still my choice.

The CCS811 is available as development boards from Adafruit and Sparkfun. The HPMA115S0 can be purchased from Arrow, Mouser and Digikey.

I actually developed an all-in-one for Featherwing board. You can check that out for inspiration as well.

[NeverDie]

Regarding the bme680, has anyone yet figured out the correct amount of pre-heating that should be applied to it, or is that still unknown? See https://forum.mysensors.org/topic/7788/bosch-bme680-sensor/15?_=1578489395821 .

[Sebex]

@jaredwolff thanks. I noticed that for the CSS811 there's no mysensor sketch example, any suggestions for a good guide to build one myself?

Something else I wondered is adding multiple sensors to 1 pin. I want to combine the CCS811 with the Si7021 that I am running now on an Arduino. Perhaps I don't necessarily need to use the same pins but lets say you have running X amount of sensors that it becomes inevitable to use a similar pin. Is it possible to share pins in arduino sketches, if so how does this work? Or is every value sent by the sensor tagged. Couldn't find the answer anywhere on the forum.

[Nca78]

@Sebex said in Particle Powered Air Quality Sensor Logging to Google Docs:

Perhaps I don't necessarily need to use the same pins

Both the sensors you quote are using I2C. So they both use the same 2 pins (SDA, SCL) to communicate. You can put many I2C sensors on those same pins, they each have an address to know which sensor is receiving/sending data to the master (here, your arduino).
Look for a tutorial on I2C first.

[jaredwolff]

@NeverDie

I've set up the BME680 to use low power mode. I saw that the temperature readings were much higher in normal mode. Here's the init:

  // Begin BME680 work
  #ifdef HAS_BME680
  bsec.begin(BME680_I2C_ADDR_PRIMARY, Wire);
  checkIaqSensorStatus();

  // Set up BME680 sensors
  bsec_virtual_sensor_t sensorList[7] = {
    BSEC_OUTPUT_RAW_TEMPERATURE,
    BSEC_OUTPUT_RAW_PRESSURE,
    BSEC_OUTPUT_RAW_HUMIDITY,
    BSEC_OUTPUT_RAW_GAS,
    BSEC_OUTPUT_IAQ,
    BSEC_OUTPUT_SENSOR_HEAT_COMPENSATED_TEMPERATURE,
    BSEC_OUTPUT_SENSOR_HEAT_COMPENSATED_HUMIDITY
  };

  bsec.updateSubscription(sensorList, 7, BSEC_SAMPLE_RATE_LP); //BSEC_SAMPLE_RATE_LP
  checkIaqSensorStatus();
  #endif

@Sebex I agree with @Nca78, you can look into how I2C works. The cool thing is you can add up to 255 sensors as long as they have different addresses. (or if you do some tricky hardware stuff for devices with the same address) Unfortunately I only have implementations for my Featherwing.

[Sebex]

@Nca78 said in Particle Powered Air Quality Sensor Logging to Google Docs:

@Sebex said in Particle Powered Air Quality Sensor Logging to Google Docs:

Perhaps I don't necessarily need to use the same pins

Both the sensors you quote are using I2C. So they both use the same 2 pins (SDA, SCL) to communicate. You can put many I2C sensors on those same pins, they each have an address to know which sensor is receiving/sending data to the master (here, your arduino).
Look for a tutorial on I2C first.

Thanks I get it now :smile: