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Sensor shield for Arduino Pro Mini 3.3V with boost up regulator

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    So this is my final board... what do you think?

    sensor shield rev 1.6 pcb.png

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      No no, this is not your final board. The traces are routed really close to each other.

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        @maha you mean the traces close to the GND polygon? I used the design rules of my pcb supplier.

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          An example is the radio module. The traces are super close to the pads, or are they even touching some of the pads? But I like the form factor of the card!

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            Just curious - if Vin < VCC, why are you using a voltage divider to get the battery voltage? If you are using VCC as the ADC reference, you should be good without a divider, I'd think.

            It would be possible to use the 1.1v internal reference (ONLY when measuring battery, not most sensors), in which case your divider could make sense, and that would remove the stability of the VCC power supply from the measurement - tho I rarely see that approach taken.

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              @maha Yes you're right, they are quite close... but they should be fine with my manufacturer. I'll try tonight to see what I can do to get the traces a little more apart, let's see. When I use the Gerber file, I can't find any spots where the lines are touching. The picture taken directly from Eagle is also probably not that accurate.

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                @Zeph I wanted to use the internal reference as described here: http://www.mysensors.org/build/battery
                What do you think?

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                  Another nitpick ... there are a lot of different Pro Mini pin layouts (http://arduino-board.com/boards/arduino-pro-mini). I don't know where you buy yours and if you can be sure of a certain pin layout, but I would probably not bet on anything other than the side rows that are present on all boards. A4 and A5 are fairly certain, but other than that ....

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                    @bjornhallberg completely right - I have some here from Aliexpress and have a good and fast seller... but I asked for exactly that design before ordering...

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                      sensor shield rev 1.6 pcba.png
                      @maha I'm going to check again this weekend and then I'm going to send it to China for manufacturing, thanks for all your help!

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                        @Zeph I wanted to use the internal reference as described here: http://www.mysensors.org/build/battery
                        What do you think?

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                        @phil83 said:

                        @Zeph I wanted to use the internal reference as described here: http://www.mysensors.org/build/battery

                        The voltage divider in that circuit diagram is for measuring an input voltage (into the regulator) higher than Vcc (out of the regulator). Bad idea without a voltage divider. Since you are instead using an up-converter and Vin < Vcc, I think you can do without the voltage divider resistors.

                        As an example, suppose you used one cell at 1.5v draining to 1.ov. With a Vcc of 3.3v a direct reading would give ADC readings of 465 falling to 310. Using that voltage divider would yield 149 falling to 99. (all out of 0 to 1023). You just lose resolution by inserting the divider. (WIth two cells double these numbers).

                        The caveat is that I'm uncertain about is startup transients - with Vin applied to the pin before Vcc stabilizes. Not sure if that's a real problem or not, tho - maybe somebody else would have thoughts.

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                          @phil83 said:

                          @Zeph I wanted to use the internal reference as described here: http://www.mysensors.org/build/battery

                          The voltage divider in that circuit diagram is for measuring an input voltage (into the regulator) higher than Vcc (out of the regulator). Bad idea without a voltage divider. Since you are instead using an up-converter and Vin < Vcc, I think you can do without the voltage divider resistors.

                          As an example, suppose you used one cell at 1.5v draining to 1.ov. With a Vcc of 3.3v a direct reading would give ADC readings of 465 falling to 310. Using that voltage divider would yield 149 falling to 99. (all out of 0 to 1023). You just lose resolution by inserting the divider. (WIth two cells double these numbers).

                          The caveat is that I'm uncertain about is startup transients - with Vin applied to the pin before Vcc stabilizes. Not sure if that's a real problem or not, tho - maybe somebody else would have thoughts.

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                          @Zeph
                          I think you're wrong. The divider works perfectly when measuring against internal reference like shown at the build-site. I think it's very well proven and I have never had any issues. And this is for battery voltage LOWER than Vcc.
                          I think I had a link to one of my code example here as well.
                          But sure, if you have a stable and known Vcc you could use that as reference instead. Without divider.

                          @phil83
                          Why don't you use the recommended 0.1uF capacitor in parallel with R2 ?

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                            @m26872 Thanks for reminding me of the capacitor, I added it!

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                              @Zeph
                              I think you're wrong. The divider works perfectly when measuring against internal reference like shown at the build-site. I think it's very well proven and I have never had any issues. And this is for battery voltage LOWER than Vcc.
                              I think I had a link to one of my code example here as well.
                              But sure, if you have a stable and known Vcc you could use that as reference instead. Without divider.

                              @phil83
                              Why don't you use the recommended 0.1uF capacitor in parallel with R2 ?

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                              @m26872 As I said in the first post, if you measure against the internal 1.1v reference (rather than the more common Vcc), it can work. And I see that's in fact what you are doing, so no problem, carry on.

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                                Hey folks,

                                I just received my first boards today. They really look nice, I never believed that it is so easy! Especially the manufacture in china was pretty cheap and looks really good. I had to wait four weeks, nearly perfect!

                                pcb_16042015 Kopie.jpg

                                Now I'm waiting for two more capacitors, all the other parts were delivered already. I hope to be able to solder next week and will keep you updated afterwards!
                                I think I got infected by a virus by now since I'm already planning the next board ;-).

                                Thanks again for all your help,
                                Philipp

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                                  Very nice board.
                                  Do you intend to share gerber files/eagle file?

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                                    I'm going to check the board in the next few weeks, when everything is fine, I will share...

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                                          Hello,

                                          I would be interessted in the wiring diagram, as I want to build something similar but with no SMD parts.
                                          Would you share your actual diagram please?

                                          Thanks,
                                          Stefan

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