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  • AnticimexA Anticimex

    Interesting stuff! Under what license do you work? I an only asking because I think energy harvesters would be a good concept for MYSX daughter boards. You are welcome to consider it for your design, or you can let me have a stab at a reshuffled board for MYSX use. I could not find the boards on github, but I don't have eagle installed either, so they are probably inside one of the other boards there.
    If you are unfamiliar with MYSX, there is a specification.

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    @Anticimex I'm trying to create a harvester board with MYSX_1.0 connector on it. I think I got the position requirements figured out but I'm not sure I understand the connections that are supposed to be present. I got the GND and 3,3V, how about the others? Can you point me in the right direction? Here is what i got so far:
    MYSX_1.0_sch_mala.png

    MYSX_1.0_brd_mala.png

    Thanks.

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      @Anticimex I'm trying to create a harvester board with MYSX_1.0 connector on it. I think I got the position requirements figured out but I'm not sure I understand the connections that are supposed to be present. I got the GND and 3,3V, how about the others? Can you point me in the right direction? Here is what i got so far:
      MYSX_1.0_sch_mala.png

      MYSX_1.0_brd_mala.png

      Thanks.

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      @ceech well, if you do a board that supplies power, you should use the Vraw signal, because that would be where "motherboards" expect incoming power. 3.3V are typically supplied by the motherboard. So if your subboard is a supplier, it should feed on Vraw. You can see my schematic for a motherboard reference. Also remember when you mount MYSX on a subboard the connector has to go on the reverse side but with the top side footprint to map the pins correctly with the host.

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        @ceech well, if you do a board that supplies power, you should use the Vraw signal, because that would be where "motherboards" expect incoming power. 3.3V are typically supplied by the motherboard. So if your subboard is a supplier, it should feed on Vraw. You can see my schematic for a motherboard reference. Also remember when you mount MYSX on a subboard the connector has to go on the reverse side but with the top side footprint to map the pins correctly with the host.

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        @Anticimex After looking at the schematic of the board I think its power consumption exceeds the capabilities of a typical harvester power supply and I'm having second thoughts about it. It is probably not appropriate to be used with it. I might just make it for Sensebender Micro.

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          @Anticimex After looking at the schematic of the board I think its power consumption exceeds the capabilities of a typical harvester power supply and I'm having second thoughts about it. It is probably not appropriate to be used with it. I might just make it for Sensebender Micro.

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          @ceech I fully understand that your board won't handle that particular board. I only referenced it as an example on how a motherboard would manage the power rails in the MYSX connector. So don't be disencouraged by my specific take on a motherboard :)

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            Here are two new boards. Their purpose is to replace batteries in wireless sensor nodes in places where batteries are not appropriate, available or recommended for use.

            The first one is a Thermal Energy Harvester which uses thermopile or thermoelectric generator as a power source:
            1-DSC_0469.jpg
            This board uses a transformer to step-up the voltage and works with voltages as low as 20mV. Here is an intended use:
            Tipical_use.jpg
            There are three outputs:
            Vout
            Vout2 and
            VLDO
            Vout and VLDO turn on as soon as the voltage on those pins is within regulation and Vout2 turns on when the Vout2_EN signal receives a high on its pin from a microcontroller, for example.

            And the second one is a Solar Energy Harvester which is powered by a small 5 - 20V solar cell:
            1-20150825_102109.jpg
            The IC can operate with up to 60V of input voltage and has a built-in CC and CV algorithm.
            There are also some settings available for this one:
            Settings.png
            User can choose output voltage and charge current and also MPPT point of solar cell.
            This power supply can act as a battery charger as well.

            Both boards are designed to fit on top of sensor board:
            1-DSC_0470.jpg
            to help with connections

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            @ceech Nice Design, but you use a chip he is to expensive 4-6 Euro. Hmm, you now a alternative for this LTC4709?

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              @ceech Nice Design, but you use a chip he is to expensive 4-6 Euro. Hmm, you now a alternative for this LTC4709?

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              @Frank-Herrmann Thank you.
              This chip might seem expensive, but it's very good at what it does. It's voltage range is far wider than any other's, for example. And CC-CV algorithm for battery stacks for up to 60V. That's what caught my attention. Also I had experience with LTC4067, which I also like.

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                Since last posts much time has passed. What experiences are related to energy harvesting boards?

                It can provide an outdoor sensor, for example. BMP180 node supply all night long?

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                  Since last posts much time has passed. What experiences are related to energy harvesting boards?

                  It can provide an outdoor sensor, for example. BMP180 node supply all night long?

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                  @Dany Yes, it can. While those boards are mostly used for short energy bursts, I made some continuous current draw measurements. I've attached an LED with current draw of 3.5mA. The board provided 20 minutes of power while dropping the voltage from 2.3V to 1.86V.

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                    @ceech what thermopiles could be used with your board ? I don't find any reference for it?

                    thanks

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                      @ceech what thermopiles could be used with your board ? I don't find any reference for it?

                      thanks

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                      @epierre You can use a Peltier element to power this board. Like this one:

                      http://www.ebay.com/itm/TEC1-12706-12V-60W-Heatsink-Thermoelectric-Cooler-Cooling-Peltier-Plate-Module-/121349774916?hash=item1c41029e44:g:mukAAOSwDNdVrg-U

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