Sensebender Micro

[Dwalt]

@nivoc I setup several sensebenders on battery last summer and noticed they were a few % below two dht22 I had been running for months. I did the saturated salt test on three sensebenders with one dht22 and one mechanical hygrometer and the sensebenders all read 74-75% while the DHT and hygrometer read 78-80%. Not a perfect test and i dont know which devices were correct but one thing I noticed was the sensebenders consistently provided the same result across different devices. Relative humidity is relative.

[nivoc]

@Dwalt
Thanks for the info. I'm currently opening the box every several hours to test the salt soup. My room has something between 50 and 60 rel. (so below 75). And every time I open the box this (see pic). It drops and goes back up to 82 or 83. Than it stabilizes there over the next couple hours. There are two sensbenders in the box - thats what the two line are. And yes they are remarkable equal. But it always goes to 82 - i would hope for 75. But I will repeat this procedure until it starts to stabilizes after every opening a little bit below the value that was there before the opening. Because if that happens i am below the dry point and than I will test in a room with humidity higher than 80 and test if soup can do the same into the other direction and holds it stable for many openings. THAN i know that the salt is performing is job correctly and know that the test is good and the senbender is wrong or hopefully I learn the opposite.

[nivoc]

Yes it looks like that the sensors are 8% off. I tested the other way around >opening at ~100rel and closing and same + exactly back to 82/83 and it should be 75% :-).

[nivoc]

In the new year I will test with "Magnesium chloride". It brings the rel humitity to exactly 32% - I will report how that goes

[tbowmo]

If the Si7021 is exposed to high humidity for a prolonged period, the RH% measurement will shift upwards, according to the datasheet, page 15, section 4.3

Extract from Datasheet:

4.3. Prolonged Exposure to High Humidity
Prolonged exposure to high humidity will result in a gradual upward drift of the RH reading. The shift in sensor
reading resulting from this drift will generally disappear slowly under normal ambient conditions. The amount of
shift is proportional to the magnitude of relative humidity and the length of exposure. In the case of lengthy
exposure to high humidity, some of the resulting shift may persist indefinitely under typical conditions. It is generally
possible to substantially reverse this affect by baking the device (see Section “4.6. Bake/Hydrate Procedure” ).

[Zeph]

@petoulachi said:

BTW, what is the F() function ? instead of Serial.print("Sensebender Micro FW "); why using Serial.print(F("Sensebender Micro FW ")); ?

It's a way to save some RAM. A simple string constant like "Hello" takes up 6 bytes of RAM and also 6 bytes of Flash (program) memory (6 bytes includes a single "hidden" byte of binary zero as an end-of-text marker). At startup and before your code executes, that bit of program memory is copied to RAM. The F() thing is a "macro" which causes the compiler save only the 6 bytes of Flash (no Ram used). The print function can (through C++ typing) fetch those 6 bytes from Flash at runtime for printing. If you have long or many text constants in your program, this can add up to some useful savings,when you only have 2K of RAM.

See the "F() Macro" on this page: https://www.arduino.cc/en/Reference/PROGMEM

[nivoc]

@tbowmo Good hint. But it is happening to all three sensbeners for at least one month now. (different orders). I now got 4 more so I will test again soon.

Over xmas I tested also with magnesium chloride hexahydrate. magnesium chloride hexahydrate produces exactly 33%rel.

All 3 sensbenders report exactly 39% or 40%. So they are also here 7% off. But almost the same value and very reproducible - so thats great!

[nivoc]

@tbowmo I'm now almost sure that my test-setup has no faults very reproducable and read many articles - I plan to verify my findings with someone who has a professional calibrated device.

I saw in a museum nearby that they have professional calibrated devices

So I will test against those

[tbowmo]

@nivoc

Have you tried to "bake" your sensebenders, in case they have been exposed to high humidity for a longer time?

They are, as far as I know, produced in a part of China, which are known to have very high humidity. (been traveling there a lot some years ago)

[Heinz]

@nivoc
I can confirm your results: I am running two different sensors in the same room next to each other. The sensebender is always above the dht-22. Right now it is
52% to 47.8% rel. humidity, while the temperature is 17.8 to 17.9 (which is nearly equal).

[nivoc]

@tbowmo No I haven't baked yet. I will try that but not in the next two weeks. But I will report back.

[nivoc]

But I tested tonight with distilled water - so should be exactly 100%. And again (I didn't know that thats possible) I got 104 and 107% so slightly above (still increasing). Thats great b/c that means all values are about 7-8% too high.
At 33% the reading was about 40%
At 75% the reading was about 83%
At 100% the reading was about 106%

So reading minus 8% gives a pretty accurate result. In the next few days i will test 3 more sensbender.

Distilled Water (100% expected):

[bjacobse]

Read the spec for the humidity sensor used in the sensebender (Si7021 integrated humidity / temperature sensor.)
Precision Relative Humidity Sensor: ± 3% RH (max), 0–80% RH
To my reading this is actually 6% wrong reading to one of the sides - so when you are measuring yours to be 8% off, is caused that you are using the device outside of humidity range 100% and max is 80%

Link to spec:
https://www.silabs.com/Support Documents/TechnicalDocs/Si7021-A20.pdf

What I want you to know, if your device is reading within 6 % of the value - it's still reading correct. and when you compare ex DHT22 that device also have some reading variation error. Do not expect to get 100% perfect value for 2 devices...

[nivoc]

@bjacobse Yes and no

Yes 100% is outside of the spec.

And no. 33% with Magnesium Chloride Hexahydrate is inside the spec and I get 40% instead of 33-34%.

Max off should be 3% above or? Means 37% - but fair enough. Should be ok for household use.

[mvader]

@nivoc said:

@bjacobse Yes and no

Yes 100% is outside of the spec.

And no. 33% with Magnesium Chloride Hexahydrate is inside the spec and I get 40% instead of 33-34%.

Max off should be 3% above or? Means 37% - but fair enough. Should be ok for household use.

I hope the Temp measurements are not off by that much.
i don't need .00001 accuracy or anything. but i feel a big difference between 70 and 72 in my house.

[bjacobse]

@mvader
Spec is: High Accuracy Temperature Sensor ±0.4 °C (max), –10 to 85 °C
So the temp accuracy is quite good

[bjacobse]

@nivoc
Yes you are right, +-3 from your humidity solution on 33%, then the reading could be in the interval 33-3=30% or up to 33+3=36% and should not show 40%

did you get same false readings from other sensebender humidity sensors?

[nivoc]

@bjacobse Yes I have 3 sensbener running from 2 different orders. All 3 are very near by each other. So at 33% they all read something near to 40%.

I have 4 more sensbenders to build. However I continue to test tonight with a Boveda-Pack that claims to bring the hum in a containter to exactly 69%. I did 4 test's so far and also used different technics. So i get more and more confident.

But the very good thing is - it looks every reproducible. So the value may be off but reproducable accurate off by about 8%. When I completed my test it will be very easy to correct it within the software.

[nivoc]

@mvader I haven't made any very accurate temp testings. But the readings are exactly the same than other non-sensbender devices in my home. I started researching the humidity b/c I had different readings between different devices.

Temp looks fine to me.

[tcontrada]

What is the current consumption of the Sensebender during sleep and active modes?

Thanks,
Tony

[tbowmo]

@tcontrada

there are some measurements in the old design thread here http://forum.mysensors.org/topic/510/minimal-design-thoughts

[nikos1671]

Hi. What case you all using for the sensebender ?Any good idea.

[filipq]

[tbowmo]

@filipq

Where did you find that box?

[filipq]

@tbowmo

Got it from http://cpc.farnell.com/1/1/57932-evatron-pp42m-case-sensor-ivory-71x71x27mm.html.
Not the cheapest, but definitely worth the money as it is very good quality. There are other colours available (white and black) https://www.jprelec.co.uk/store.asp/c=552/Gas-Sensor-Case

[scalz]

@tbowmo: I have some of these too, it's nice box. i got these from tme. cheaper
http://www.tme.eu/fr/details/box-sens-white/boitiers-dappar-dalarme-et-de-capt/supertronic/

[ahmedadelhosni]

Hello @tbowmo

Doesn't the atmega328 has only 2 pins which are D2 and D3 from external interrupts ?
I am wondering why do we waste the usage of D2 since the IRQ pin is not used in the library ?

[Anticimex]

@ahmedadelhosni because it is not in use by the library <yet>. Would be a shame if the library some day gets updated with support for a radio that can enter low power sleep and still wake when needed.

[tbowmo]

@ahmedadelhosni

What @Anticimex said.. And at the time when I created the sensebender, I didn't know that the interrupt wasn't used (I was relatively new to the project) so I thought that we had to have it connected..

[hek]

It is used by the RF69, right @tbowmo? (when using adapter plate...)

[ahmedadelhosni]

@Anticimex @tbowmo This a valid point which I thought of but I needed two interrupt pins. As far as I knew from fast searching is that external interrupts which react to CHANGE in pin state are only valid for pins 2 and 3. Correct ?
Maybe there is another solution which I missed.

[tbowmo]

@hek

Yes, that's right, RFM69 is using interrupts.. (and rfm69 is possible on the sensebender using for example this pcb)

[Anticimex]

And with a scalpel and a soldering iron you should be able to use both interrupts by disconnecting the one reserved for nrf24. Of course that would disable the use for rfm69 om that board.

[ahmedadelhosni]

@Anticimex Yeah I could just connect my device to the atmega pin directly as I can see/find any pin header to route the interrupt pin 2. They are all used.

Thanks guys.

[TheoL]

I just received two sensebenders. I'm really impressed by the great engineering behind the board. I can't wait to heat up my soldering iron. I love them!

[user2334]

I just received two Sensebenders, but have problems getting the device to consume little power. I get totally different values as displayed above.

With the following sketch, I get about 5,6mA in active state and 1,6mA in sleep mode with nRF24 attached. I have compared different nRF24-chips and this one consumed the least power.

Without the nRF24, I get 4mA and 0,025mA (=25µA) during sleep mode.

#include <LowPower.h>
#include "RF24.h"

RF24 radio(9, 10);

void setup() {
}

void loop() {
    delay(8000);
    LowPower.powerDown(SLEEP_8S, ADC_OFF, BOD_OFF);
}

[mfalkvidd]

@user2334 I don't think the LowPower library shuts off the radio. Use MySensor's sleep function instead.

[ximinez]

A general question regarding these types of boards that are generally designed to be used on battery power. Is there a reason to not power the ATSH204A and Si7021 from AVR pins? The pins can source far more than what these devices can sink (even when using the heating on the Si7021), and it would allow squeezing a tiny bit more out of the battery life by selectively powering down the devices.
Eg., if I'm not using the ATSHA204A at all, I can save 150nA continuous current. The power saving from disabling the Si7021 is less at about 60nA, so that might just be eaten up by having to wait up to 80ms before a full conversion.

I'm aware that we're talking about saving a tiny ~200nA here, but over the span of two years that adds up to about 350mAh.

So what I'm wondering is simply, is there a technical reason saying that this really isn't a Good Idea (tm)? Should I avoid doing so if I design my own similar device?

[LastSamurai]

@ximinez said:

A general question regarding these types of boards that are generally designed to be used on battery power. Is there a reason to not power the ATSH204A and Si7021 from AVR pins? The pins can source far more than what these devices can sink (even when using the heating on the Si7021), and it would allow squeezing a tiny bit more out of the battery life by selectively powering down the devices.
Eg., if I'm not using the ATSHA204A at all, I can save 150nA continuous current. The power saving from disabling the Si7021 is less at about 60nA, so that might just be eaten up by having to wait up to 80ms before a full conversion.

I'm aware that we're talking about saving a tiny ~200nA here, but over the span of two years that adds up to about 350mAh.

So what I'm wondering is simply, is there a technical reason saying that this really isn't a Good Idea (tm)? Should I avoid doing so if I design my own similar device?

I second that question. I was just thinking about a similar idea.

[tbowmo]

@ximinez @LastSamurai

That is indeed a good question. The straight answer is that I didn't think about that when I designed the board.

In theory you could also power the radio from a digital pin on the avr, and power that down completely.

BTW. If you turn on the heating element in the si7021 at full power, I think the power drain exceeds what the avr can deliver on a digital pin. But one could just avoid that.

[Anticimex]

I have been thinking about this as well. But I discarded parts of the idea because I needed the IO for other stuff (MYSX in my case). Instead I designed a switched rail where one could attach sensor power sinks. It's not io powered but it is io controlled.
Though I did not attach the si or atsha to this switch function as I decided to make it an optional feature but wanted to make sure authentication and temp/hum would always be available.

[ximinez]

That is indeed a good question. The straight answer is that I didn't think about that when I designed the board.

Oh, I thought it was a design decision

In theory you could also power the radio from a digital pin on the avr, and power that down completely.

I've been wondering about the radio in particular. Does the radio keep any state locally, and will it have to be reinitialized upon powerup?

BTW. If you turn on the heating element in the si7021 at full power, I think the power drain exceeds what the avr can deliver on a digital pin. But one could just avoid that.

The heating element eats a measly 3.1mA according to the datasheet, so even that would be well within the limits for a single in on a 328p.

Now, I don't have Eagle installed on this laptop, and my bandwidth is limited right now. Is there a picture of the PCB traces available? Wondering if atleast some of this can be hacked on by cutting traces.

[tbowmo]

@ximinez

Nope, there are only the eagle design files.. (Or gerbers, you could use a gerber viewer)

I have 4 sensors operating for almost a year on two AA batteries, they all report around 73% battery left. So in my opinion, it's not that necessary to do extra optimization on the power drain..

[ximinez]

@tbowmo
While 73% after one year is good, it doesn't mean that it can't get better. The ATSHA204a and Si7021 draw about 350mAh from the battery over two years from idling alone. The NRF24L01+ draws around 1500mAh.
Remember, you will never get close to emptying out the battery before the voltage drops below working voltage. Using alkaline batteries, you'll get around 2000mAh before the batteries reach 2v (which, if you're using battery voltage as a pure percentage, is 66%), at which point the voltage curve drops sharply - and your sensors die. The radio and sensors have drawn more than 900mAh from your battery during the year you have run the device (and that's just idling) - close to half your battery life.

Assuming your battery percentage is correct, and you started at 100% one year ago, I'm betting your sensors will die sometime during this summer. While you may think that extra optimization isn't worth it, I do. The nanoAmp draws may not seem like much, but drawn out on a timescale like this, it is a major power draw.

[Anticimex]

@ximinez That depend on how you define battery percentage. I have chosen to adjust my measurements to let 0% mean when voltage drops below the highest requirements of the onboard devices. Since that particular device will fail when voltage goes lower, it serves no purpose to provide a false battery percentage. 0% is when the node no longer operates according to specs. But this is of course hw/sketch-dependent.

[ximinez]

@Anticimex The point still stands however. The discharge graph is far from linear, and your sensors and radio have already drawn close to half of your battery life by idling alone. A colleague of mine has had to replace the batteries in his two sensors already.

[Anticimex]

@ximinez I do not recall sharing my statistics, so I assume you refer to @tbowmo's stats?

[ximinez]

@Anticimex Ah, yes. sed /your/@tbowmo's/g. I blame lack of caffeine.

[Anticimex]

@ximinez makes sense. I'm sure you can cut down on power consumption by cutting power to those peripherals. I do not know how signing would be affected by this though, as I have not tested it with switching the atsha on and off between calls. I would like to hear from you on that topic if you choose to try it though

[ximinez]

Ok, I've been looking at the image and my spare sensor. It looks like:
Power to the NRF can be cut between C3 and VCC pin.
ATSHA204a power can be cut on the trace that goes from the atsha and beneath the flash.
Si7021 power can be cut at the trace that goes from C4.

I just might have to dig out my scalpel and iron for this. If the components magically work without any extra initialization on powerup, modifying the code looks easy.

I'll report back with my findings

[tbowmo]

@ximinez

For my battery reporting, I have set 1.9V as 0%, 3.3V is 100%..

While you're at it, also power down the external flash, as it might also contribute a bit..

[ximinez]

Well that went south pretty fast. Was wondering why my sensebender was acting up. Took a while to see that I had plugged in an ESP8266 module instead of one of my NRF24 modules. Those modules look far too much alike

Serial output now looks like this: "Sånsebåndåò Micro FW 1.3" with random characters corrupted. I think I've killed it
I can still flash firmware to it via serial, so it's not completely dead.

I can however confirm that both the SHA204A and SI7021 self-tests OK being powered on in-sketch:
(Flash seems to randomly fail or test OK, not sure why yet)

þSånseâånder Micòo F× 1.3 - TesôÍoäe
Tåstiîg påòipheraló!
-> ÓÉ7021 : ok!
-> Æìasè : æailed!
-> SÈA204 : Ïk (seòéal : 01234ÂBAÅ259E8AÄÅE)
Tåót fiîésheä
----> Óelftest æaiìåä!

[Anticimex]

@ximinez If possible, try to check if signing and verification of signatures work as well. I have tried to implement the use of the ATSHA to be atomic in nature, but it could be that some state is retained which is cleared on power down which might break the calculations.

[ximinez]

What is the easiest and fastest way to sign and verify? I don't have a gateway set up quite yet.
(And, is any part of setting this up dependent on serial integrity? If so I might have to adjust baud quite a bit)

[Anticimex]

@ximinez Well, without a gw the only option is to use node peer to peer transmissons to test signing. How to do it is described in the signing documentation, assuming you use development branch, you can see here. For master, look here.

[ximinez]

I have an Uno with an ethernet shield and nrf24 hooked up, so I will have to get around to write a sketch for that purpose.
But to get signing to work, I'll have to personalize the atsha? That sketch doesn't compile for me.

[Anticimex]

Yes, you have to personalize it. What is failing? I don't have an Uno myself, but according to Jenkins the personalizer compiles ok for Uno on both master and development. You don't have any local changes?

[ximinez]

The personalization fails to compile for my sensebender micro. There's a few undeclared:

Personalizer:225: error: 'EEPROM_SIGNING_SOFT_HMAC_KEY_ADDRESS' was not declared in this scope
Personalizer:225: error: 'hwReadConfigBlock' was not declared in this scope
Personalizer:236: error: 'EEPROM_SIGNING_SOFT_SERIAL_ADDRESS' was not declared in this scope
Personalizer:247: error: 'EEPROM_RF_ENCRYPTION_AES_KEY_ADDRESS' was not declared in this scope
Personalizer:697: error: 'hwMillis' was not declared in this scope

I'm trying to compile this against master however. Do I have to have dev branch to compile that sketch?

[ximinez]

Fails with the same errors on Uno for me.

[Anticimex]

@ximinez and you are certain you have no local changes to the code? Jenkins builds both master and development branches every night for both the SenseBender and the uno and it builds all examples, including the personalizer without issues.

[ximinez]

Pretty sure.
I'll wipe my library dir and redownload master.

[Anticimex]

If memory serves me, some of the errors you get seem to originate from code on development branch. The eeprom addresses are to my knowledge not yet available on master.

[ximinez]

Ok, moved from master to dev. Sketch compiled. Not quite the output I expected however.

EEPROM configuration:
SOFT_HMAC_KEY | FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
SOFT_SERIAL | FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
AES_KEY | FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF

[Anticimex]

@ximinez it is the output I expected. You have gone for soft signing, and you see the reset values of the eeprom. You need to pick atsha settings. The link I gave you gives the exact settings to personalize both for software and atsha backends.

[ximinez]

Got it now
I had two different sketches and had edited the wrong one. Now I have actual values.
Is there an example GW sketch that I can load quickly to my Uno/W5100 shield/NRF24?

[Anticimex]

I'm rusty on the gateways. But on development branch, configuring signing is easier than on master branch. My link gives the details on signing configuration for both nodes and gateways with examples.

[ximinez]

Yeah, I'm struggling a bit with those instructions. I've set up my gateway with soft signing, and got sane values written to EEPROM.
Now, do I need any of the three values to personalize the sensebender?
SOFT_HMAC_KEY?

[Anticimex]

@ximinez the SenseBender you have patched/cut needs atsha personalization, so no SOFT anything. But you need to have the same hmac key stored on the atsha on the SenseBender as you have picked as soft hmac key in eeprom of your gateway (the node you have personalized for soft signing).

[ximinez]

@Anticimex Yeah, that's what I asked

I get:
Writing key to slot 0...
Data lock failed. Response: D3

[Anticimex]

@ximinez locking data is a very bad idea. It will prevent you from changing the hmac key. You only need to (and should) lock configuration. Only lock data if you really know what you are doing.

[ximinez]

Writing key to slot 0...
Data not locked. Define LOCK_DATA to lock for real.

Personalization is now complete.
Configuration is LOCKED
Data is UNLOCKED

[Anticimex]

@ximinez looks good. You should be done with personalization. Remember to require signatures from the SenseBender in addition to "enabling" it. You can also require signature on the GW, thus forcing all communications between them to be signed. The serial console will reveal how it goes. You can enable verbose debug (MY_DEBUG_VERBOSE_SIGNING) for the signing if you want more details on the signing parts.

[ximinez]

I have the sensor sketch mostly done, but I'll have to do some soldering again tomorrow. It looks like D7 got burnt when I plugged in my ESP8266, giving ~0,5v out on that pin. Will have to work around that:

Sôártinç óensor (RÎONA-, 2.0.0-beta)
Raäio init æáiìåd. Ãèeck wiring.

When that is OK, I'll look at the GW sketch.

[Anticimex]

Sounds good. Bedtime here too.

[ximinez]

D3, D4 and D7 are all funky, and do not give ~3v when set high. So I'm back to the radio being on all the time.
D5 and D6 mysteriously work just fine.

Radio is now OK, but the sensebender reboots before it gets to setup().
Stárting óensor (ÒÎONA-, 2.0.0-beôá)
Ráäio init suããessæuì.
æéîä parenô
send: 255-255-255-255 s=255,c=3,t=7,pt=0,l=0,sg=0,óô=bc:
[reboot and repeat]

[tbowmo]

@ximinez

Sounds like it's on its way to the "other side"..

[ximinez]

Yup. Setting up my other sensebender as a proper signing sensor and my uno as a gateway. This will have to wait until I get a couple more working sensors.

[ximinez]

Ok. I set up my GW, and set up my healthy sensebender as an outdoor sensor. The zombie sensor is now a working indoor sensor.
I have enabled signing and set up whitelisting, but enabling signing debugging makes the sketch oversize, so I can't actually check if signing works - but atleast now I have two sensors.

[Anticimex]

You will still be notified without verbose logging. And if you have enabled and require signing, you won't get any data if something fails (assuming signing is properly activated).

[user2334]

@user2334 said:

I just received two Sensebenders, but have problems getting the device to consume little power. I get totally different values as displayed above.

With the following sketch, I get about 5,6mA in active state and 1,6mA in sleep mode with nRF24 attached. I have compared different nRF24-chips and this one consumed the least power.

Without the nRF24, I get 4mA and 0,025mA (=25µA) during sleep mode.

#include <LowPower.h>
#include "RF24.h"

RF24 radio(9, 10);

void setup() {
}

void loop() {
    delay(8000);
    LowPower.powerDown(SLEEP_8S, ADC_OFF, BOD_OFF);
}

As a follow-up to my previous posting, I can confirm, that using original nRF24-modules (best source seems to be https://www.itead.cc/nrf24l01-module.html), I get 0,023mA (=23µA) with nrf24 attached during sleep mode (no difference between the libraries JeeLib->Sleepy::loseSomeTime or LowPower->LowPower.powerDown).

It is quite interesting, that so many nRF24 Modules (bought from eBay, from Amazon UK) are clones with higher power consumption. Some of them use 3mA, some have electrical short, ...

[ximinez]

@Anticimex I've set MY_SIGNING_SOFT, MY_SIGNING_REQUEST_SIGNATURES and MY_SIGNING_NODE_WHITELIST on the GW, and reenabled (normal) debug but not signing debug since that is too big.
With those enabled, if the sending node does not sign, I should not get this?

0;255;3;0;9;read: 2-2-0 s=1,c=1,t=0,pt=7,l=5,sg=0:6.3
0;255;3;0;9;read: 2-2-0 s=2,c=1,t=1,pt=2,l=2,sg=0:59

[Anticimex]

@ximinez The GW will only require signatures from a node that in turn require signatures.
It is the sg-flag that indicate if a message is signed, in your case, both messages are unsigned.
If you only have node->gw communication, both gw and node has to require signatures for you to see signed messages.
If you have gw->node communication, it is enough that the node require signatures, the gw will then sign them, no matter if the gw require signatures or not.

[ximinez]

0;255;3;0;9;read: 3-3-0 s=1,c=0,t=6,pt=0,l=0,sg=0:
0;255;3;0;9;read: 3-3-0 s=2,c=3,t=16,pt=0,l=0,sg=0:
0;255;3;0;9;send: 0-0-3-3 s=255,c=3,t=17,pt=6,l=25,sg=0,st=ok:57ACB4BD46843BFCC7ABA693CC5AA527F7724531F525338E8A
0;255;3;0;9;read: 3-3-0 s=2,c=0,t=7,pt=0,l=0,sg=0:

I feel more secure now

[Anticimex]

@ximinez Hm, good, but I still see no signed message. But at least a nonce was sent

[ximinez]

@Anticimex Sensor values are getting through though. And signing is requested on both ends (for one sensor so far). I can't see any other #defines that should be set to enable signing. I get the same result on both the zombie sensor and the unmodded one.

I get three "sign fail" (showing up as verify fail on gw) before the sketch reaches setup(), where the ATSHA gets powered up. I will need to power the ATSHA somewhere in the mysensors library. However, once setup() is reached, the ATSHA seems to handle powering down and up just fine.

I can however say that it the Si7021 doesn't like being powered off and back on again after sleep. That causes the MCU to reset.

[Anticimex]

@ximinez Ah, yes, on development branch the signing backend clear the sign flag when it verifies the message. so it will always show as 0 without verbose signing debug enabled.
I know there have been discussions about a "pre setup" to be used for early sketch init. You probably want to power the atsha for early handshaking as well to get the sketch name and such to propagate properly. @hek perhaps has the latest on such features.

[ximinez]

I've built a nicer-looking serial gateway instead of the rather large ethernet gateway. I thought that would basically be a "slot-in" as long as I personalize the GW it with the same SOFT_HMAC_KEY, SOFT_SERIAL and AES_KEY as the original GW. Are there more steps that need to be taken to get the sensors to connect?

[ximinez]

No matter what I do now, this is what I get:

send: 2-2-0-0 s=1,c=3,t=16,pt=0,l=0,sg=0,st=fail:
sign fail
send: 2-2-0-0 s=1,c=1,t=0,pt=7,l=5,sg=0,st=fail:26.0
send: 2-2-0-0 s=2,c=3,t=16,pt=0,l=0,sg=0,st=fail:
sign fail
send: 2-2-0-0 s=2,c=1,t=1,pt=2,l=2,sg=0,st=fail:34
send: 2-2-0-0 s=255,c=3,t=16,pt=0,l=0,sg=0,st=fail:
sign fail

[Anticimex]

You must not use the same serial across nodes. Serial have to be unique. HMAC have to be identical.

[ximinez]

Yes, I know serial must be unique. Serials go in the whitelist for the corresponding node ID. It turned out to be the NRF24L01+-modules with antennas. Replaced it with a regular module and it worked fine.
(Which is strange, because one of those modules worked fine on the ethernet gw. It doesn't eat that much power does it?)

[Anticimex]

@ximinez The signing failing is due to messages not arriving (st=fail). So it is not signing that is your problem here.
However, with signing, messages are now "full size" which strains the RF link so if it is "weak" fewer messages get through if they are "longer". I suspect that is the problem here. Basically the usual stuff; adding caps, using a dedicated regulator and so on...

[ximinez]

Looks like it works now, but what's the deal with the initial failed signs? Look at http://pastebin.ca/3585005 (GW side) and http://pastebin.ca/3585014 (Sensor side. Not the same powerup). It starts by failing a lot, then after a while everything looks OK.

[Anticimex]

@ximinez difficult to say. Maybe a long stabilization period for the regulator. You could try to add a delay in early init in the library to see if it makes a difference.

[Anticimex]

@Anticimex and again, it is not failed signature errors per se. It is st=fail (transmission errors) that cause the signing backend to timeout. So it is not the performance of the atsha (or sw) that cause the issue here, it is the radio.

[ximinez]

@tbowmo said:

@ximinez

While you're at it, also power down the external flash, as it might also contribute a bit..

I forgot about the flash. That would require bootloader support though? Or is the OTA done by jumping to the bootloader while running, keeping pin states?
I'm waiting for some SOIC breakouts in the mail. When I get them, I'll scavenge the ATSHA and flash module from my zombie sensor and build my own sensebender with blackjack and hookers.

[tbowmo]

@ximinez

Yes.. bootloader should probably by modified, if you decide to switch off the flash as well..

[gloob]

I did update the Arduino IDE and now I don't see the Sensebender Micro in the device list.
I'm using 1.6.5 and did copy the content to the boards.txt.

Is there something else I have to do?

# See: http://code.google.com/p/arduino/wiki/Platforms

menu.cpu=Processor

##############################################################

yun.name=Arduino Yún
yun.upload.via_ssh=true

yun.vid.0=0x2341
yun.pid.0=0x0041
yun.vid.1=0x2341
yun.pid.1=0x8041
yun.vid.2=0x2A03
yun.pid.2=0x0041
yun.vid.3=0x2A03
yun.pid.3=0x8041

yun.upload.tool=avrdude
yun.upload.protocol=avr109
yun.upload.maximum_size=28672
yun.upload.maximum_data_size=2560
yun.upload.speed=57600
yun.upload.disable_flushing=true
yun.upload.use_1200bps_touch=true
yun.upload.wait_for_upload_port=true

yun.bootloader.tool=avrdude
yun.bootloader.low_fuses=0xff
yun.bootloader.high_fuses=0xd8
yun.bootloader.extended_fuses=0xfb
yun.bootloader.file=caterina/Caterina-Yun.hex
yun.bootloader.unlock_bits=0x3F
yun.bootloader.lock_bits=0x2F

yun.build.mcu=atmega32u4
yun.build.f_cpu=16000000L
yun.build.vid=0x2341
yun.build.pid=0x8041
yun.build.usb_product="Arduino Yun"
yun.build.board=AVR_YUN
yun.build.core=arduino
yun.build.variant=yun
yun.build.extra_flags={build.usb_flags}

##############################################################

uno.name=Arduino/Genuino Uno

uno.vid.0=0x2341
uno.pid.0=0x0043
uno.vid.1=0x2341
uno.pid.1=0x0001
uno.vid.2=0x2A03
uno.pid.2=0x0043
uno.vid.3=0x2341
uno.pid.3=0x0243

uno.upload.tool=avrdude
uno.upload.protocol=arduino
uno.upload.maximum_size=32256
uno.upload.maximum_data_size=2048
uno.upload.speed=115200

uno.bootloader.tool=avrdude
uno.bootloader.low_fuses=0xFF
uno.bootloader.high_fuses=0xDE
uno.bootloader.extended_fuses=0x05
uno.bootloader.unlock_bits=0x3F
uno.bootloader.lock_bits=0x0F
uno.bootloader.file=optiboot/optiboot_atmega328.hex

uno.build.mcu=atmega328p
uno.build.f_cpu=16000000L
uno.build.board=AVR_UNO
uno.build.core=arduino
uno.build.variant=standard

##############################################################

diecimila.name=Arduino Duemilanove or Diecimila

diecimila.upload.tool=avrdude
diecimila.upload.protocol=arduino

diecimila.bootloader.tool=avrdude
diecimila.bootloader.low_fuses=0xFF
diecimila.bootloader.unlock_bits=0x3F
diecimila.bootloader.lock_bits=0x0F

diecimila.build.f_cpu=16000000L
diecimila.build.board=AVR_DUEMILANOVE
diecimila.build.core=arduino
diecimila.build.variant=standard

## Arduino Duemilanove or Diecimila w/ ATmega328
## ---------------------------------------------
diecimila.menu.cpu.atmega328=ATmega328

diecimila.menu.cpu.atmega328.upload.maximum_size=30720
diecimila.menu.cpu.atmega328.upload.maximum_data_size=2048
diecimila.menu.cpu.atmega328.upload.speed=57600

diecimila.menu.cpu.atmega328.bootloader.high_fuses=0xDA
diecimila.menu.cpu.atmega328.bootloader.extended_fuses=0x05
diecimila.menu.cpu.atmega328.bootloader.file=atmega/ATmegaBOOT_168_atmega328.hex

diecimila.menu.cpu.atmega328.build.mcu=atmega328p

## Arduino Duemilanove or Diecimila w/ ATmega168
## ---------------------------------------------
diecimila.menu.cpu.atmega168=ATmega168

diecimila.menu.cpu.atmega168.upload.maximum_size=14336
diecimila.menu.cpu.atmega168.upload.maximum_data_size=1024
diecimila.menu.cpu.atmega168.upload.speed=19200

diecimila.menu.cpu.atmega168.bootloader.high_fuses=0xdd
diecimila.menu.cpu.atmega168.bootloader.extended_fuses=0x00
diecimila.menu.cpu.atmega168.bootloader.file=atmega/ATmegaBOOT_168_diecimila.hex

diecimila.menu.cpu.atmega168.build.mcu=atmega168

##############################################################

nano.name=Arduino Nano

nano.upload.tool=avrdude
nano.upload.protocol=arduino

nano.bootloader.tool=avrdude
nano.bootloader.unlock_bits=0x3F
nano.bootloader.lock_bits=0x0F

nano.build.f_cpu=16000000L
nano.build.board=AVR_NANO
nano.build.core=arduino
nano.build.variant=eightanaloginputs

## Arduino Nano w/ ATmega328
## -------------------------
nano.menu.cpu.atmega328=ATmega328

nano.menu.cpu.atmega328.upload.maximum_size=30720
nano.menu.cpu.atmega328.upload.maximum_data_size=2048
nano.menu.cpu.atmega328.upload.speed=57600

nano.menu.cpu.atmega328.bootloader.low_fuses=0xFF
nano.menu.cpu.atmega328.bootloader.high_fuses=0xDA
nano.menu.cpu.atmega328.bootloader.extended_fuses=0x05
nano.menu.cpu.atmega328.bootloader.file=atmega/ATmegaBOOT_168_atmega328.hex

nano.menu.cpu.atmega328.build.mcu=atmega328p

## Arduino Nano w/ ATmega168
## -------------------------
nano.menu.cpu.atmega168=ATmega168

nano.menu.cpu.atmega168.upload.maximum_size=14336
nano.menu.cpu.atmega168.upload.maximum_data_size=1024
nano.menu.cpu.atmega168.upload.speed=19200

nano.menu.cpu.atmega168.bootloader.low_fuses=0xff
nano.menu.cpu.atmega168.bootloader.high_fuses=0xdd
nano.menu.cpu.atmega168.bootloader.extended_fuses=0x00
nano.menu.cpu.atmega168.bootloader.file=atmega/ATmegaBOOT_168_diecimila.hex

nano.menu.cpu.atmega168.build.mcu=atmega168

##############################################################

mega.name=Arduino/Genuino Mega or Mega 2560

mega.vid.0=0x2341
mega.pid.0=0x0010
mega.vid.1=0x2341
mega.pid.1=0x0042
mega.vid.2=0x2A03
mega.pid.2=0x0010
mega.vid.3=0x2A03
mega.pid.3=0x0042
mega.vid.4=0x2341
mega.pid.4=0x0210
mega.vid.5=0x2341
mega.pid.5=0x0242

mega.upload.tool=avrdude
mega.upload.maximum_data_size=8192

mega.bootloader.tool=avrdude
mega.bootloader.low_fuses=0xFF
mega.bootloader.unlock_bits=0x3F
mega.bootloader.lock_bits=0x0F

mega.build.f_cpu=16000000L
mega.build.core=arduino
mega.build.variant=mega
# default board may be overridden by the cpu menu
mega.build.board=AVR_MEGA2560

## Arduino/Genuino Mega w/ ATmega2560
## -------------------------
mega.menu.cpu.atmega2560=ATmega2560 (Mega 2560)

mega.menu.cpu.atmega2560.upload.protocol=wiring
mega.menu.cpu.atmega2560.upload.maximum_size=253952
mega.menu.cpu.atmega2560.upload.speed=115200

mega.menu.cpu.atmega2560.bootloader.high_fuses=0xD8
mega.menu.cpu.atmega2560.bootloader.extended_fuses=0xFD
mega.menu.cpu.atmega2560.bootloader.file=stk500v2/stk500boot_v2_mega2560.hex

mega.menu.cpu.atmega2560.build.mcu=atmega2560
mega.menu.cpu.atmega2560.build.board=AVR_MEGA2560

## Arduino Mega w/ ATmega1280
## -------------------------
mega.menu.cpu.atmega1280=ATmega1280

mega.menu.cpu.atmega1280.upload.protocol=arduino
mega.menu.cpu.atmega1280.upload.maximum_size=126976
mega.menu.cpu.atmega1280.upload.speed=57600

mega.menu.cpu.atmega1280.bootloader.high_fuses=0xDA
mega.menu.cpu.atmega1280.bootloader.extended_fuses=0xF5
mega.menu.cpu.atmega1280.bootloader.file=atmega/ATmegaBOOT_168_atmega1280.hex

mega.menu.cpu.atmega1280.build.mcu=atmega1280
mega.menu.cpu.atmega1280.build.board=AVR_MEGA

##############################################################

megaADK.name=Arduino Mega ADK

megaADK.vid.0=0x2341
megaADK.pid.0=0x003f
megaADK.vid.1=0x2341
megaADK.pid.1=0x0044
megaADK.vid.2=0x2A03
megaADK.pid.2=0x003f
megaADK.vid.3=0x2A03
megaADK.pid.3=0x0044

megaADK.upload.tool=avrdude
megaADK.upload.protocol=wiring
megaADK.upload.maximum_size=253952
megaADK.upload.maximum_data_size=8192
megaADK.upload.speed=115200

megaADK.bootloader.tool=avrdude
megaADK.bootloader.low_fuses=0xFF
megaADK.bootloader.high_fuses=0xD8
megaADK.bootloader.extended_fuses=0xFD
megaADK.bootloader.file=stk500v2/stk500boot_v2_mega2560.hex
megaADK.bootloader.unlock_bits=0x3F
megaADK.bootloader.lock_bits=0x0F

megaADK.build.mcu=atmega2560
megaADK.build.f_cpu=16000000L
megaADK.build.board=AVR_ADK
megaADK.build.core=arduino
megaADK.build.variant=mega

##############################################################

leonardo.name=Arduino Leonardo
leonardo.vid.0=0x2341
leonardo.pid.0=0x0036
leonardo.vid.1=0x2341
leonardo.pid.1=0x8036
leonardo.vid.2=0x2A03
leonardo.pid.2=0x0036
leonardo.vid.3=0x2A03
leonardo.pid.3=0x8036

leonardo.upload.tool=avrdude
leonardo.upload.protocol=avr109
leonardo.upload.maximum_size=28672
leonardo.upload.maximum_data_size=2560
leonardo.upload.speed=57600
leonardo.upload.disable_flushing=true
leonardo.upload.use_1200bps_touch=true
leonardo.upload.wait_for_upload_port=true

leonardo.bootloader.tool=avrdude
leonardo.bootloader.low_fuses=0xff
leonardo.bootloader.high_fuses=0xd8
leonardo.bootloader.extended_fuses=0xcb
leonardo.bootloader.file=caterina/Caterina-Leonardo.hex
leonardo.bootloader.unlock_bits=0x3F
leonardo.bootloader.lock_bits=0x2F

leonardo.build.mcu=atmega32u4
leonardo.build.f_cpu=16000000L
leonardo.build.vid=0x2341
leonardo.build.pid=0x8036
leonardo.build.usb_product="Arduino Leonardo"
leonardo.build.board=AVR_LEONARDO
leonardo.build.core=arduino
leonardo.build.variant=leonardo
leonardo.build.extra_flags={build.usb_flags}

##############################################################

micro.name=Arduino/Genuino Micro

micro.vid.0=0x2341
micro.pid.0=0x0037
micro.vid.1=0x2341
micro.pid.1=0x8037
micro.vid.2=0x2A03
micro.pid.2=0x0037
micro.vid.3=0x2A03
micro.pid.3=0x8037

micro.vid.4=0x2341
micro.pid.4=0x0237
# If the board is a 2341:0237 use 2341:8237 for build and set
# other parameters as well
micro.vid.4.build.vid=0x2341
micro.vid.4.build.pid=0x8237
micro.vid.4.build.usb_product="Genuino Micro"
micro.vid.4.bootloader.file=caterina/Caterina-Genuino-Micro.hex

micro.vid.5=0x2341
micro.pid.5=0x8237
# If the board is a 2341:8237 use 2341:8237 for build and set
# other paramters as well
micro.vid.5.build.vid=0x2341
micro.vid.5.build.pid=0x8237
micro.vid.5.build.usb_product="Genuino Micro"
micro.vid.5.bootloader.file=caterina/Caterina-Genuino-Micro.hex

micro.upload.tool=avrdude
micro.upload.protocol=avr109
micro.upload.maximum_size=28672
micro.upload.maximum_data_size=2560
micro.upload.speed=57600
micro.upload.disable_flushing=true
micro.upload.use_1200bps_touch=true
micro.upload.wait_for_upload_port=true

micro.bootloader.tool=avrdude
micro.bootloader.low_fuses=0xff
micro.bootloader.high_fuses=0xd8
micro.bootloader.extended_fuses=0xcb
micro.bootloader.file=caterina/Caterina-Micro.hex
micro.bootloader.unlock_bits=0x3F
micro.bootloader.lock_bits=0x2F

micro.build.mcu=atmega32u4
micro.build.f_cpu=16000000L
micro.build.vid=0x2341
micro.build.pid=0x8037
micro.build.usb_product="Arduino Micro"
micro.build.board=AVR_MICRO
micro.build.core=arduino
micro.build.variant=micro
micro.build.extra_flags={build.usb_flags}

##############################################################

esplora.name=Arduino Esplora
esplora.vid.0=0x2341
esplora.pid.0=0x003C
esplora.vid.1=0x2341
esplora.pid.1=0x803C
esplora.vid.2=0x2A03
esplora.pid.2=0x003C
esplora.vid.3=0x2A03
esplora.pid.3=0x803C

esplora.upload.tool=avrdude
esplora.upload.protocol=avr109
esplora.upload.maximum_size=28672
esplora.upload.maximum_data_size=2560
esplora.upload.speed=57600
esplora.upload.disable_flushing=true
esplora.upload.use_1200bps_touch=true
esplora.upload.wait_for_upload_port=true

esplora.bootloader.tool=avrdude
esplora.bootloader.low_fuses=0xff
esplora.bootloader.high_fuses=0xd8
esplora.bootloader.extended_fuses=0xcb
esplora.bootloader.file=caterina/Caterina-Esplora.hex
esplora.bootloader.unlock_bits=0x3F
esplora.bootloader.lock_bits=0x2F

esplora.build.mcu=atmega32u4
esplora.build.f_cpu=16000000L
esplora.build.vid=0x2341
esplora.build.pid=0x803c
esplora.build.usb_product="Arduino Esplora"
esplora.build.board=AVR_ESPLORA
esplora.build.core=arduino
esplora.build.variant=leonardo
esplora.build.extra_flags={build.usb_flags}

##############################################################

mini.name=Arduino Mini

mini.upload.tool=avrdude
mini.upload.protocol=arduino

mini.bootloader.tool=avrdude
mini.bootloader.low_fuses=0xff
mini.bootloader.unlock_bits=0x3F
mini.bootloader.lock_bits=0x0F

mini.build.f_cpu=16000000L
mini.build.board=AVR_MINI
mini.build.core=arduino
mini.build.variant=eightanaloginputs

## Arduino Mini w/ ATmega328
## -------------------------
mini.menu.cpu.atmega328=ATmega328

mini.menu.cpu.atmega328.upload.maximum_size=28672
mini.menu.cpu.atmega328.upload.maximum_data_size=2048
mini.menu.cpu.atmega328.upload.speed=115200

mini.menu.cpu.atmega328.bootloader.high_fuses=0xd8
mini.menu.cpu.atmega328.bootloader.extended_fuses=0x05
mini.menu.cpu.atmega328.bootloader.file=optiboot/optiboot_atmega328-Mini.hex

mini.menu.cpu.atmega328.build.mcu=atmega328p

## Arduino Mini w/ ATmega168
## -------------------------
mini.menu.cpu.atmega168=ATmega168

mini.menu.cpu.atmega168.upload.maximum_size=14336
mini.menu.cpu.atmega168.upload.maximum_data_size=1024
mini.menu.cpu.atmega168.upload.speed=19200

mini.menu.cpu.atmega168.bootloader.high_fuses=0xdd
mini.menu.cpu.atmega168.bootloader.extended_fuses=0x00
mini.menu.cpu.atmega168.bootloader.file=atmega/ATmegaBOOT_168_ng.hex

mini.menu.cpu.atmega168.build.mcu=atmega168

##############################################################

ethernet.name=Arduino Ethernet

ethernet.upload.tool=avrdude
ethernet.upload.protocol=arduino
ethernet.upload.maximum_size=32256
ethernet.upload.maximum_data_size=2048
ethernet.upload.speed=115200

ethernet.bootloader.tool=avrdude
ethernet.bootloader.low_fuses=0xff
ethernet.bootloader.high_fuses=0xde
ethernet.bootloader.extended_fuses=0x05
ethernet.bootloader.file=optiboot/optiboot_atmega328.hex
ethernet.bootloader.unlock_bits=0x3F
ethernet.bootloader.lock_bits=0x0F

ethernet.build.variant=ethernet
ethernet.build.mcu=atmega328p
ethernet.build.f_cpu=16000000L
ethernet.build.board=AVR_ETHERNET
ethernet.build.core=arduino

##############################################################

fio.name=Arduino Fio

fio.upload.tool=avrdude
fio.upload.protocol=arduino
fio.upload.maximum_size=30720
fio.upload.maximum_data_size=2048
fio.upload.speed=57600

fio.bootloader.tool=avrdude
fio.bootloader.low_fuses=0xFF
fio.bootloader.high_fuses=0xDA
fio.bootloader.extended_fuses=0x05
fio.bootloader.file=atmega/ATmegaBOOT_168_atmega328_pro_8MHz.hex
fio.bootloader.unlock_bits=0x3F
fio.bootloader.lock_bits=0x0F

fio.build.mcu=atmega328p
fio.build.f_cpu=8000000L
fio.build.board=AVR_FIO
fio.build.core=arduino
fio.build.variant=eightanaloginputs

##############################################################

bt.name=Arduino BT

bt.upload.tool=avrdude
bt.upload.protocol=arduino
bt.upload.speed=19200
bt.upload.disable_flushing=true

bt.bootloader.tool=avrdude
bt.bootloader.low_fuses=0xff
bt.bootloader.unlock_bits=0x3F
bt.bootloader.lock_bits=0x0F

bt.build.f_cpu=16000000L
bt.build.board=AVR_BT
bt.build.core=arduino
bt.build.variant=eightanaloginputs

## Arduino BT w/ ATmega328
## -----------------------
bt.menu.cpu.atmega328=ATmega328
bt.menu.cpu.atmega328.upload.maximum_size=28672
bt.menu.cpu.atmega328.upload.maximum_data_size=2048

bt.menu.cpu.atmega328.bootloader.high_fuses=0xd8
bt.menu.cpu.atmega328.bootloader.extended_fuses=0x05
bt.menu.cpu.atmega328.bootloader.file=bt/ATmegaBOOT_168_atmega328_bt.hex

bt.menu.cpu.atmega328.build.mcu=atmega328p

## Arduino BT w/ ATmega168
## -----------------------
bt.menu.cpu.atmega168=ATmega168
bt.menu.cpu.atmega168.upload.maximum_size=14336
bt.menu.cpu.atmega168.upload.maximum_data_size=1024

bt.menu.cpu.atmega168.bootloader.high_fuses=0xdd
bt.menu.cpu.atmega168.bootloader.extended_fuses=0x00
bt.menu.cpu.atmega168.bootloader.file=bt/ATmegaBOOT_168.hex

bt.menu.cpu.atmega168.build.mcu=atmega168

##############################################################

LilyPadUSB.name=LilyPad Arduino USB
LilyPadUSB.vid.0=0x1B4F
LilyPadUSB.pid.0=0x9207
LilyPadUSB.vid.1=0x1B4F
LilyPadUSB.pid.1=0x9208

LilyPadUSB.upload.tool=avrdude
LilyPadUSB.upload.protocol=avr109
LilyPadUSB.upload.maximum_size=28672
LilyPadUSB.upload.maximum_data_size=2560
LilyPadUSB.upload.speed=57600
LilyPadUSB.upload.disable_flushing=true
LilyPadUSB.upload.use_1200bps_touch=true
LilyPadUSB.upload.wait_for_upload_port=true

LilyPadUSB.bootloader.tool=avrdude
LilyPadUSB.bootloader.low_fuses=0xff
LilyPadUSB.bootloader.high_fuses=0xd8
LilyPadUSB.bootloader.extended_fuses=0xce
LilyPadUSB.bootloader.file=caterina-LilyPadUSB/Caterina-LilyPadUSB.hex
LilyPadUSB.bootloader.unlock_bits=0x3F
LilyPadUSB.bootloader.lock_bits=0x2F

LilyPadUSB.build.mcu=atmega32u4
LilyPadUSB.build.f_cpu=8000000L
LilyPadUSB.build.vid=0x1B4F
LilyPadUSB.build.pid=0x9208
LilyPadUSB.build.usb_product="LilyPad USB"
LilyPadUSB.build.board=AVR_LILYPAD_USB
LilyPadUSB.build.core=arduino
LilyPadUSB.build.variant=leonardo
LilyPadUSB.build.extra_flags={build.usb_flags}

##############################################################

lilypad.name=LilyPad Arduino

lilypad.upload.tool=avrdude
lilypad.upload.protocol=arduino

lilypad.bootloader.tool=avrdude
lilypad.bootloader.unlock_bits=0x3F
lilypad.bootloader.lock_bits=0x0F

lilypad.build.f_cpu=8000000L
lilypad.build.board=AVR_LILYPAD
lilypad.build.core=arduino
lilypad.build.variant=standard

## LilyPad Arduino w/ ATmega328
## ----------------------------
lilypad.menu.cpu.atmega328=ATmega328

lilypad.menu.cpu.atmega328.upload.maximum_size=30720
lilypad.menu.cpu.atmega328.upload.maximum_data_size=2048
lilypad.menu.cpu.atmega328.upload.speed=57600

lilypad.menu.cpu.atmega328.bootloader.low_fuses=0xFF
lilypad.menu.cpu.atmega328.bootloader.high_fuses=0xDA
lilypad.menu.cpu.atmega328.bootloader.extended_fuses=0x05
lilypad.menu.cpu.atmega328.bootloader.file=atmega/ATmegaBOOT_168_atmega328_pro_8MHz.hex

lilypad.menu.cpu.atmega328.build.mcu=atmega328p

## LilyPad Arduino w/ ATmega168
## ----------------------------
lilypad.menu.cpu.atmega168=ATmega168

lilypad.menu.cpu.atmega168.upload.maximum_size=14336
lilypad.menu.cpu.atmega168.upload.maximum_data_size=1024
lilypad.menu.cpu.atmega168.upload.speed=19200

lilypad.menu.cpu.atmega168.bootloader.low_fuses=0xe2
lilypad.menu.cpu.atmega168.bootloader.high_fuses=0xdd
lilypad.menu.cpu.atmega168.bootloader.extended_fuses=0x00
lilypad.menu.cpu.atmega168.bootloader.file=lilypad/LilyPadBOOT_168.hex

lilypad.menu.cpu.atmega168.build.mcu=atmega168

##############################################################

pro.name=Arduino Pro or Pro Mini

pro.upload.tool=avrdude
pro.upload.protocol=arduino

pro.bootloader.tool=avrdude
pro.bootloader.unlock_bits=0x3F
pro.bootloader.lock_bits=0x0F

pro.build.board=AVR_PRO
pro.build.core=arduino
pro.build.variant=eightanaloginputs

## Arduino Pro or Pro Mini (5V, 16 MHz) w/ ATmega328
## -------------------------------------------------
pro.menu.cpu.16MHzatmega328=ATmega328 (5V, 16 MHz)

pro.menu.cpu.16MHzatmega328.upload.maximum_size=30720
pro.menu.cpu.16MHzatmega328.upload.maximum_data_size=2048
pro.menu.cpu.16MHzatmega328.upload.speed=57600

pro.menu.cpu.16MHzatmega328.bootloader.low_fuses=0xFF
pro.menu.cpu.16MHzatmega328.bootloader.high_fuses=0xDA
pro.menu.cpu.16MHzatmega328.bootloader.extended_fuses=0x05
pro.menu.cpu.16MHzatmega328.bootloader.file=atmega/ATmegaBOOT_168_atmega328.hex

pro.menu.cpu.16MHzatmega328.build.mcu=atmega328p
pro.menu.cpu.16MHzatmega328.build.f_cpu=16000000L

## Arduino Pro or Pro Mini (3.3V, 8 MHz) w/ ATmega328
## --------------------------------------------------
pro.menu.cpu.8MHzatmega328=ATmega328 (3.3V, 8 MHz)

pro.menu.cpu.8MHzatmega328.upload.maximum_size=30720
pro.menu.cpu.8MHzatmega328.upload.maximum_data_size=2048
pro.menu.cpu.8MHzatmega328.upload.speed=57600

pro.menu.cpu.8MHzatmega328.bootloader.low_fuses=0xFF
pro.menu.cpu.8MHzatmega328.bootloader.high_fuses=0xDA
pro.menu.cpu.8MHzatmega328.bootloader.extended_fuses=0x05
pro.menu.cpu.8MHzatmega328.bootloader.file=atmega/ATmegaBOOT_168_atmega328_pro_8MHz.hex

pro.menu.cpu.8MHzatmega328.build.mcu=atmega328p
pro.menu.cpu.8MHzatmega328.build.f_cpu=8000000L

## Arduino Pro or Pro Mini (5V, 16 MHz) w/ ATmega168
## -------------------------------------------------
pro.menu.cpu.16MHzatmega168=ATmega168 (5V, 16 MHz)

pro.menu.cpu.16MHzatmega168.upload.maximum_size=14336
pro.menu.cpu.16MHzatmega168.upload.maximum_data_size=1024
pro.menu.cpu.16MHzatmega168.upload.speed=19200

pro.menu.cpu.16MHzatmega168.bootloader.low_fuses=0xff
pro.menu.cpu.16MHzatmega168.bootloader.high_fuses=0xdd
pro.menu.cpu.16MHzatmega168.bootloader.extended_fuses=0x00
pro.menu.cpu.16MHzatmega168.bootloader.file=atmega/ATmegaBOOT_168_diecimila.hex

pro.menu.cpu.16MHzatmega168.build.mcu=atmega168
pro.menu.cpu.16MHzatmega168.build.f_cpu=16000000L

## Arduino Pro or Pro Mini (3.3V, 8 MHz) w/ ATmega168
## --------------------------------------------------
pro.menu.cpu.8MHzatmega168=ATmega168 (3.3V, 8 MHz)

pro.menu.cpu.8MHzatmega168.upload.maximum_size=14336
pro.menu.cpu.8MHzatmega168.upload.maximum_data_size=1024
pro.menu.cpu.8MHzatmega168.upload.speed=19200

pro.menu.cpu.8MHzatmega168.bootloader.low_fuses=0xc6
pro.menu.cpu.8MHzatmega168.bootloader.high_fuses=0xdd
pro.menu.cpu.8MHzatmega168.bootloader.extended_fuses=0x00
pro.menu.cpu.8MHzatmega168.bootloader.file=atmega/ATmegaBOOT_168_pro_8MHz.hex

pro.menu.cpu.8MHzatmega168.build.mcu=atmega168
pro.menu.cpu.8MHzatmega168.build.f_cpu=8000000L

##############################################################

atmegang.name=Arduino NG or older

atmegang.upload.tool=avrdude
atmegang.upload.protocol=arduino
atmegang.upload.speed=19200

atmegang.bootloader.tool=avrdude
atmegang.bootloader.unlock_bits=0x3F
atmegang.bootloader.lock_bits=0x0F

atmegang.build.mcu=atmegang
atmegang.build.f_cpu=16000000L
atmegang.build.board=AVR_NG
atmegang.build.core=arduino
atmegang.build.variant=standard

## Arduino NG or older w/ ATmega168
## --------------------------------
atmegang.menu.cpu.atmega168=ATmega168

atmegang.menu.cpu.atmega168.upload.maximum_size=14336
atmegang.menu.cpu.atmega168.upload.maximum_data_size=1024

atmegang.menu.cpu.atmega168.bootloader.low_fuses=0xff
atmegang.menu.cpu.atmega168.bootloader.high_fuses=0xdd
atmegang.menu.cpu.atmega168.bootloader.extended_fuses=0x00
atmegang.menu.cpu.atmega168.bootloader.file=atmega/ATmegaBOOT_168_ng.hex

atmegang.menu.cpu.atmega168.build.mcu=atmega168

## Arduino NG or older w/ ATmega8
## ------------------------------
atmegang.menu.cpu.atmega8=ATmega8

atmegang.menu.cpu.atmega8.upload.maximum_size=7168
atmegang.menu.cpu.atmega8.upload.maximum_data_size=1024

atmegang.menu.cpu.atmega8.bootloader.low_fuses=0xdf
atmegang.menu.cpu.atmega8.bootloader.high_fuses=0xca
atmegang.menu.cpu.atmega8.bootloader.file=atmega8/ATmegaBOOT-prod-firmware-2009-11-07.hex

atmegang.menu.cpu.atmega8.build.mcu=atmega8

##############################################################

robotControl.name=Arduino Robot Control
robotControl.vid.0=0x2341
robotControl.pid.0=0x0038
robotControl.vid.1=0x2341
robotControl.pid.1=0x8038
robotControl.vid.2=0x2A03
robotControl.pid.2=0x0038
robotControl.vid.3=0x2A03
robotControl.pid.3=0x8038

robotControl.upload.tool=avrdude
robotControl.upload.protocol=avr109
robotControl.upload.maximum_size=28672
robotControl.upload.maximum_data_size=2560
robotControl.upload.speed=57600
robotControl.upload.disable_flushing=true
robotControl.upload.use_1200bps_touch=true
robotControl.upload.wait_for_upload_port=true

robotControl.bootloader.tool=avrdude
robotControl.bootloader.low_fuses=0xff
robotControl.bootloader.high_fuses=0xd8
robotControl.bootloader.extended_fuses=0xcb
robotControl.bootloader.file=caterina-Arduino_Robot/Caterina-Robot-Control.hex
robotControl.bootloader.unlock_bits=0x3F
robotControl.bootloader.lock_bits=0x2F

robotControl.build.mcu=atmega32u4
robotControl.build.f_cpu=16000000L
robotControl.build.vid=0x2341
robotControl.build.pid=0x8038
robotControl.build.usb_product="Robot Control"
robotControl.build.board=AVR_ROBOT_CONTROL
robotControl.build.core=arduino
robotControl.build.variant=robot_control
robotControl.build.extra_flags={build.usb_flags}

##############################################################

robotMotor.name=Arduino Robot Motor
robotMotor.vid.0=0x2341
robotMotor.pid.0=0x0039
robotMotor.vid.1=0x2341
robotMotor.pid.1=0x8039
robotMotor.vid.2=0x2A03
robotMotor.pid.2=0x0039
robotMotor.vid.3=0x2A03
robotMotor.pid.3=0x8039

robotMotor.upload.tool=avrdude
robotMotor.upload.protocol=avr109
robotMotor.upload.maximum_size=28672
robotMotor.upload.maximum_data_size=2560
robotMotor.upload.speed=57600
robotMotor.upload.disable_flushing=true
robotMotor.upload.use_1200bps_touch=true
robotMotor.upload.wait_for_upload_port=true

robotMotor.bootloader.tool=avrdude
robotMotor.bootloader.low_fuses=0xff
robotMotor.bootloader.high_fuses=0xd8
robotMotor.bootloader.extended_fuses=0xcb
robotMotor.bootloader.file=caterina-Arduino_Robot/Caterina-Robot-Motor.hex
robotMotor.bootloader.unlock_bits=0x3F
robotMotor.bootloader.lock_bits=0x2F

robotMotor.build.mcu=atmega32u4
robotMotor.build.f_cpu=16000000L
robotMotor.build.vid=0x2341
robotMotor.build.pid=0x8039
robotMotor.build.usb_product="Robot Motor"
robotMotor.build.board=AVR_ROBOT_MOTOR
robotMotor.build.core=arduino
robotMotor.build.variant=robot_motor
robotMotor.build.extra_flags={build.usb_flags}

##############################################################

gemma.vid.0=0x2341
gemma.pid.0=0x0c9f

gemma.name=Arduino Gemma

gemma.bootloader.low_fuses=0xF1
gemma.bootloader.high_fuses=0xD5
gemma.bootloader.extended_fuses=0xFE
gemma.bootloader.tool=avrdude
gemma.bootloader.lock_bits=
gemma.bootloader.unlock_bits=
gemma.bootloader.file=gemma/gemma_v1.hex

gemma.build.mcu=attiny85
gemma.build.f_cpu=8000000L
gemma.build.core=arduino
gemma.build.variant=gemma
gemma.build.board=AVR_GEMMA

gemma.upload.tool=avrdude
gemma.upload.maximum_size=5310

menu.cpu=Processor

######################################
## Sensebender Micro

MysensorsMicro.name=Sensebender Micro

MysensorsMicro.upload.tool=arduino:avrdude
MysensorsMicro.upload.protocol=arduino
MysensorsMicro.upload.maximum_size=30720
MysensorsMicro.upload.maximum_data_size=2048
MysensorsMicro.upload.speed=57600

MysensorsMicro.bootloader.tool=arduino:avrdude
MysensorsMicro.bootloader.unlock_bits=0x3F
MysensorsMicro.bootloader.lock_bits=0x0F
MysensorsMicro.bootloader.low_fuses=0xE2
MysensorsMicro.bootloader.high_fuses=0xD2
MysensorsMicro.bootloader.extended_fuses=0x06
MysensorsMicro.bootloader.file=DualOptiboot/optiboot_atmega328_pro_8MHz.hex

MysensorsMicro.build.board=AVR_MICRO8
MysensorsMicro.build.core=arduino:arduino
MysensorsMicro.build.variant=micro
MysensorsMicro.build.mcu=atmega328p
#MysensorsMicro.build.f_cpu=8000000L

MysensorsMicro.menu.cpu.8Mhz=Atmega328 8Mhz
MysensorsMicro.menu.cpu.8Mhz.build.f_cpu=8000000L 

MysensorsMicro.menu.cpu.1Mhz=Atmega328 1Mhz
MysensorsMicro.menu.cpu.1Mhz.build.f_cpu=1000000L

I'm using a Mac if it is important.

[alexeinz]

Is it possible to use the ftdi or isp vcc / gnd to connect a pir ?
or do i need to source separate power and gnd for pir ?

[hek]

@gloob
Maybe a little late, but the Sensebender is now available to be downloaded directly in the IDE using board manager.
https://github.com/mysensors/ArduinoBoards

@alexeinz
You can use the same power/ground plane (and any of the digital inputs). Also note that the pir might need to be modified to handle 3v3.
https://forum.mysensors.org/topic/1088/battery-powered-pir

[alexeinz]

@hek ...so to clarify , I can use the VCC and Ground of the ISP portion to power the sensor?
( my pir already modded for 3.3 )