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  • Nca78N Offline
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    Nca78
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    wrote on last edited by
    #16

    There's obviously a problem, I'm at about 1/1000 of that in sleep mode, you're sure your multimeter is not mistaking the unit ? ;)
    I have cheap pro minis too, the < 2$ kind.

    1mA+ in sleep mode sounds like a voltage regulator still connected, or the IC not sleeping, at least not in power down mode like when using the MySensors function. Are you sure you didn't leave a #define by mistake (like activating the repeater function with #define MY_REPEATER_FEATURE) that would prevent the atmega from sleeping ?

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    • CrankyCoderC Offline
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      wrote on last edited by
      #17

      I checked, no REPEATER on.

      Here is the code for my loop()

      int whichbutton = 0;
      
      whichbutton = sleep(digitalPinToInterrupt(2),LOW,digitalPinToInterrupt(3),LOW,86400000);
      
      switch (whichbutton) {
        case digitalPinToInterrupt(2):
            {//off
            send(msg_light.set(0),true);
            wait(300);
            break;
            }
        case digitalPinToInterrupt(3):
            {//on
            send(msg_light.set(1),true);
            wait(300);
            break;
            }
          
        } 
      sleep(250);
      CheckBattery();
      

      It's not running that over and over for sure. Otherwise I would see the battery value publishing regularly to the broker.

      I broke the regulator off and the LEDs.
      This is the one I have.
      https://www.sparkfun.com/products/11114

      I don't think the multimeter is misreading it. I can see the battery percentage dropping over the course of a day so it definitely seems like it's pulling more mA than it should sleeping.

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      • m26872M m26872

        @Nca78 True. And I suppose you've also double checked the verbose output from that process.
        Can't help you further. I would try soft 1MHz instead then, as @scalz suggested.

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        Nca78
        Hardware Contributor
        wrote on last edited by
        #18

        @m26872 said:

        @Nca78 True. And I suppose you've also double checked the verbose output from that process.

        In case someone doesn't believe the Arduino docs ;)
        This is at the beginning of the bootloader writing process in Arduino IDE:

        Writing | ################################################## | 100% 0.01s
        
        avrdude: 1 bytes of efuse written
        avrdude: verifying efuse memory against 0x06:
        avrdude: load data efuse data from input file 0x06:
        avrdude: input file 0x06 contains 1 bytes
        avrdude: reading on-chip efuse data:
        
        Reading | ################################################## | 100% 0.01s
        
        avrdude: verifying ...
        avrdude: 1 bytes of efuse verified
        avrdude: reading input file "0xde"
        avrdude: writing hfuse (1 bytes):
        
        Writing | ################################################## | 100% 0.01s
        
        avrdude: 1 bytes of hfuse written
        avrdude: verifying hfuse memory against 0xde:
        avrdude: load data hfuse data from input file 0xde:
        avrdude: input file 0xde contains 1 bytes
        avrdude: reading on-chip hfuse data:
        
        Reading | ################################################## | 100% 0.01s
        
        avrdude: verifying ...
        avrdude: 1 bytes of hfuse verified
        avrdude: reading input file "0x62"
        avrdude: writing lfuse (1 bytes):
        
        Writing | ################################################## | 100% 0.00s
        
        avrdude: 1 bytes of lfuse written
        avrdude: verifying lfuse memory against 0x62:
        avrdude: load data lfuse data from input file 0x62:
        avrdude: input file 0x62 contains 1 bytes
        avrdude: reading on-chip lfuse data:
        
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        • Nca78N Nca78

          @m26872 said:

          @Nca78 True. And I suppose you've also double checked the verbose output from that process.

          In case someone doesn't believe the Arduino docs ;)
          This is at the beginning of the bootloader writing process in Arduino IDE:

          Writing | ################################################## | 100% 0.01s
          
          avrdude: 1 bytes of efuse written
          avrdude: verifying efuse memory against 0x06:
          avrdude: load data efuse data from input file 0x06:
          avrdude: input file 0x06 contains 1 bytes
          avrdude: reading on-chip efuse data:
          
          Reading | ################################################## | 100% 0.01s
          
          avrdude: verifying ...
          avrdude: 1 bytes of efuse verified
          avrdude: reading input file "0xde"
          avrdude: writing hfuse (1 bytes):
          
          Writing | ################################################## | 100% 0.01s
          
          avrdude: 1 bytes of hfuse written
          avrdude: verifying hfuse memory against 0xde:
          avrdude: load data hfuse data from input file 0xde:
          avrdude: input file 0xde contains 1 bytes
          avrdude: reading on-chip hfuse data:
          
          Reading | ################################################## | 100% 0.01s
          
          avrdude: verifying ...
          avrdude: 1 bytes of hfuse verified
          avrdude: reading input file "0x62"
          avrdude: writing lfuse (1 bytes):
          
          Writing | ################################################## | 100% 0.00s
          
          avrdude: 1 bytes of lfuse written
          avrdude: verifying lfuse memory against 0x62:
          avrdude: load data lfuse data from input file 0x62:
          avrdude: input file 0x62 contains 1 bytes
          avrdude: reading on-chip lfuse data:
          
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          m26872
          Hardware Contributor
          wrote on last edited by
          #19

          @Nca78
          The docs won't tell you if the process fails. The verbose output will. :wink:

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          • CrankyCoderC Offline
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            wrote on last edited by
            #20

            hmmm. ok so I have verified I am writing the 1mhz boot loader.

            My multimeter says when it's sleeping i am still running at 1.5mah

            I have my openhab system tracking the battery usage. IN 6 days I have lost 30% of the battery and it's been in sleep mode.

            || *Time* || *Value* ||
            || 2016-08-14 19:29:27 || 100 ||
            || 2016-08-15 19:07:57 || 80 ||
            || 2016-08-15 19:11:18 || 81 ||
            || 2016-08-15 19:12:48 || 83 ||
            || 2016-08-15 19:13:14 || 76 ||
            || 2016-08-15 19:13:17 || 84 ||
            || 2016-08-15 19:13:56 || 80 ||
            || 2016-08-15 19:16:48 || 78 ||
            || 2016-08-19 15:07:57 || 76 ||
            || 2016-08-19 15:10:09 || 80 ||
            || 2016-08-19 15:12:43 || 79 ||
            || 2016-08-19 15:13:49 || 82 ||
            || 2016-08-19 15:14:20 || 84 ||
            || 2016-08-20 11:44:01 || 69 ||
            || 2016-08-20 11:44:23 || 48 ||
            || 2016-08-20 11:44:31 || 71 ||
            
            
            

            Any thoughts? Any recommendations on maybe a replacement pro mini that will for sure run at <1mah?

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            • cimba007C Offline
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              cimba007
              wrote on last edited by cimba007
              #21

              remove the power led (1-2mA), remove the voltage regulator if possible (1mA)

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              • cimba007C cimba007

                remove the power led (1-2mA), remove the voltage regulator if possible (1mA)

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                CrankyCoder
                wrote on last edited by
                #22

                @cimba007 Led was already removed. :(

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                • cimba007C Offline
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                  wrote on last edited by
                  #23

                  I would only imagine that the VoltageRegulator might be the culprit.

                  As you said you use a "3v battery" so there is no need for the VoltageRegulator at all. Where do you apply the power? RAW or VCC? To power your Arduino with higher voltages you connect them to RAW which leads to the regulator.

                  On most of my projects I use 2x AA Battery which are connected directly to VCC .. even with the VoltageRegulator intact I am at 66% for the last 7 days .. not loosing a single %.

                  PS: Sry .. I missed that you have already removed the voltage regulator + the led.
                  The library states to use RISING, FALLING, CHANGE as the interrupt mode but you use LOW .. I don't know to which of the 3 this mapps.

                  But my guess is you are using FALLING .. thus waking your node up if you connect pin 2 or 3 to ground .. which means you have some kind of pull up don't you?

                  Do you have anything connected to the Arduino ProMini? If so maybe try an empty sketch and remove all connected peripherals. Maybe even you can find some inspiration on this link: http://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/49182/how-can-i-get-my-atmega328-to-run-for-a-year-on-batteries

                  Another really good test on the powerdown current is here:

                  http://www.rocketscream.com/blog/2011/07/04/lightweight-low-power-arduino-library/

                  with this library (not compatible with mysensor so dont't use at the same time)

                  https://github.com/rocketscream/Low-Power

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                  • cimba007C cimba007

                    I would only imagine that the VoltageRegulator might be the culprit.

                    As you said you use a "3v battery" so there is no need for the VoltageRegulator at all. Where do you apply the power? RAW or VCC? To power your Arduino with higher voltages you connect them to RAW which leads to the regulator.

                    On most of my projects I use 2x AA Battery which are connected directly to VCC .. even with the VoltageRegulator intact I am at 66% for the last 7 days .. not loosing a single %.

                    PS: Sry .. I missed that you have already removed the voltage regulator + the led.
                    The library states to use RISING, FALLING, CHANGE as the interrupt mode but you use LOW .. I don't know to which of the 3 this mapps.

                    But my guess is you are using FALLING .. thus waking your node up if you connect pin 2 or 3 to ground .. which means you have some kind of pull up don't you?

                    Do you have anything connected to the Arduino ProMini? If so maybe try an empty sketch and remove all connected peripherals. Maybe even you can find some inspiration on this link: http://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/49182/how-can-i-get-my-atmega328-to-run-for-a-year-on-batteries

                    Another really good test on the powerdown current is here:

                    http://www.rocketscream.com/blog/2011/07/04/lightweight-low-power-arduino-library/

                    with this library (not compatible with mysensor so dont't use at the same time)

                    https://github.com/rocketscream/Low-Power

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                    wrote on last edited by
                    #24

                    @cimba007 thanks! will definitely test out some of this stuff. I am connecting power to vcc and the regulator has been removed.

                    2 buttons connected to the interrupt pins, 1 for on 1 for off.

                    here is my sleep statement

                    whichbutton = sleep(digitalPinToInterrupt(2),LOW,digitalPinToInterrupt(3),LOW,86400000);
                    

                    Could my resistors connected to the buttons be causing the extra power?

                    I would expect that to be the cause because even a door sensor or something would have to trigger the interrupt.

                    A buddy of mine suggested I throw an additional multimeter in line so i am actually measuring with 2 and see if maybe my readings are just off or my multimeter is wonky reading it. He thinks maybe the fact i am measuring it is causing the extra current... (sounds like quantum entanglement stuff there, "It changed cause you measured it!!")

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                      wrote on last edited by
                      #25

                      Putting a multimeter in series will most likeley only cause a voltage drop of up to 200mV (just a rough number). If your circuit draws very little current even routing this current trough the resistor (which is causing the voltage drop) would not result in additional consumption.

                      Lets look at your switches .. if you are using a setup like this:

                      http://www.starting-point-systems.com/images/pullup_example.gif

                      http://www.microchip.com/forums/m341654.aspx states that there should be zero current consumption while the button is not pressed. Are u using this button setup? If not can u provide a drawing?

                      I don't think that the multimeter is to blame. You reported a very weak batterylife even when you are not measuring the current I guess.

                      He thinks maybe the fact i am measuring it is causing the extra current... (sounds like quantum entanglement stuff there, "It changed cause you measured it!!")
                      

                      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multimeter#Burden_voltage
                      http://alternatezone.com/electronics/ucurrent/uCurrentArticle.pdf

                      Long story short .. I would not suspect the burden Voltage to be the problem .. I can measure in the 200µA range with my cheapish Multimeter when the Atmega328p is in deep sleep mode .. so something must be drawing current in your setup.

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                        cimba007
                        wrote on last edited by cimba007
                        #26

                        To get the fastest results I would try to disconnect everything from your circuit .. hook up the Multimeter to measure current in lets say 200mA range (if available) and try the deep sleep example from https://github.com/rocketscream/Low-Power

                        If the pro mini is in deep sleep mode you can switch from 200mA to 2mA or even 200µA range if available. (just don't let the pro mini wake up while you have the range set very low)

                        Lower measure range = higher burden voltage = potential less power for your µC .. maybe even to the point it will go into brown out or start to behave strange

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                        • cimba007C cimba007

                          Putting a multimeter in series will most likeley only cause a voltage drop of up to 200mV (just a rough number). If your circuit draws very little current even routing this current trough the resistor (which is causing the voltage drop) would not result in additional consumption.

                          Lets look at your switches .. if you are using a setup like this:

                          http://www.starting-point-systems.com/images/pullup_example.gif

                          http://www.microchip.com/forums/m341654.aspx states that there should be zero current consumption while the button is not pressed. Are u using this button setup? If not can u provide a drawing?

                          I don't think that the multimeter is to blame. You reported a very weak batterylife even when you are not measuring the current I guess.

                          He thinks maybe the fact i am measuring it is causing the extra current... (sounds like quantum entanglement stuff there, "It changed cause you measured it!!")
                          

                          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multimeter#Burden_voltage
                          http://alternatezone.com/electronics/ucurrent/uCurrentArticle.pdf

                          Long story short .. I would not suspect the burden Voltage to be the problem .. I can measure in the 200µA range with my cheapish Multimeter when the Atmega328p is in deep sleep mode .. so something must be drawing current in your setup.

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                          wrote on last edited by
                          #27

                          @cimba007 Thanks for the details. Let me get you back some info.

                          yes, my buttons are setup like the pullup example image

                          i didn't think the multimeter would do it, but at this point i am willing to try anything :)

                          I will pull my mini tonight and remove everything and do a test.

                          my code only wakes up when button is pressed or every 24 hours. so it shouldn't come on while testing. Ill try with my code and with the sleep example you referenced.

                          Thanks!!!!

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