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  • scalzS scalz

    Hello,

    no bridge yet as far as i know. Mysensors allows one transport layer per gw for the moment.
    It would need some software work though, like handling well both transport without missing packets, queue, more ram and also flash for fw. All of this for one mcu. Better use a good mcu for this.
    Or it's very simple to use a cheap rpi like and use node-red for routing imho

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    @scalz of course you can use a controller to route messages from one sensor network to the other, but in order to keep things simple it would be nice to have a bridge between the two

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      @gohan
      hehe. It depends on the angle of view. Simple for end user, but not for the dev :)

      I explained it above, but actually the lib works like this, 1x transport.

      • This needs a few more coding abstraction layers to get that. Taking in account current todolist priorities, dev, testing, and time ;)
      • better with an rtos too, as most common mcu are one core, it needs to handle well all the tasks involved..and the lib is not completely ready for this too.
      • Lot of things to think for doing this (the message routing and so on) ..or no reliable comm.

      That's why, i said, for the moment it may be easier to use an rpi for this even if i understood the point ;)

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        don't get me wrong, I know very well that it is much more complex working on the code for microcontrollers that have limited resources :D

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          @gohan not my intention. i think in future that may be easier to bridge than actually, just a matter of time. thx to mysensors team, and the community because it's tricky to test all hardware setup :)

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            Would it be possible to use mqtt to bridge 2 gateways?

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              Would it be possible to use mqtt to bridge 2 gateways?

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              @gohan not without some sort of filtering
              The two gateways would have the same id (0) and forwarding messages with destination 0 would probably confuse the other gateway.
              There would probably also be some extra routing mechanism, to be able to handle routing between the two networks. To nodes on "network 1", it would have to look like gateway 2 is a repeater which is routing messages for all nodes in "network 2", and the other way around.

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                @gohan not without some sort of filtering
                The two gateways would have the same id (0) and forwarding messages with destination 0 would probably confuse the other gateway.
                There would probably also be some extra routing mechanism, to be able to handle routing between the two networks. To nodes on "network 1", it would have to look like gateway 2 is a repeater which is routing messages for all nodes in "network 2", and the other way around.

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                @mfalkvidd
                Of course some changes would have to be made. I was only brainstorming about what could be the less complex way

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                  @gohan not without some sort of filtering
                  The two gateways would have the same id (0) and forwarding messages with destination 0 would probably confuse the other gateway.
                  There would probably also be some extra routing mechanism, to be able to handle routing between the two networks. To nodes on "network 1", it would have to look like gateway 2 is a repeater which is routing messages for all nodes in "network 2", and the other way around.

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                  @mfalkvidd
                  hmm... that is more complicated than i thought!
                  seems that need a repeater NRF to RS485 to handle the "INTERNAL" trafic also and not two Gateways ...:confused: :dizzy_face:

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                    @mfalkvidd
                    hmm... that is more complicated than i thought!
                    seems that need a repeater NRF to RS485 to handle the "INTERNAL" trafic also and not two Gateways ...:confused: :dizzy_face:

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                    @zzz-teo well, if it was easy it would probably already be supported ;-)

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                    • mfalkviddM mfalkvidd

                      @zzz-teo well, if it was easy it would probably already be supported ;-)

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                      @mfalkvidd
                      ... sure! and since i'm not qualified for such task, hope this topic to alert someone and build it!

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                      • zzz-teoZ zzz-teo

                        @mfalkvidd
                        hmm... that is more complicated than i thought!
                        seems that need a repeater NRF to RS485 to handle the "INTERNAL" trafic also and not two Gateways ...:confused: :dizzy_face:

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                        @zzz-teo what exactly are you trying to accomplish with the repeater?

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                        • gohanG gohan

                          @zzz-teo what exactly are you trying to accomplish with the repeater?

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                          @gohan ...to have a wired backbone in a bigger vertical installation, each level has a repeater for level wireless connectivity.

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                            I guess at the moment you can only use repeater nodes and or use longer range radio modules

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                            • gohanG gohan

                              I guess at the moment you can only use repeater nodes and or use longer range radio modules

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                              @gohan
                              ... yes this is the only solution ... but using long range modules the network is exposed to neighborhoods and may someone be motivated to play with it!
                              By using RS485 backbone the exposed level is reduced. (as well as EMI exposure).
                              ... and by using repeaters may not be stable due to area division by Slabs.

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                                That's why encryption and signing have been invented 😁

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                                  :laughing:

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