💬 Connecting the Radio

gohan

The problem is that nrf24 have many crappy clones that have limited range and it is difficult to find the original ones. Rfm69 is slower but have better wall penetration and modules come in 3 frequencies.

sundberg84

~~Nrf24l01+ also drains less current when sleeping vs RFM69~~

mfalkvidd

@joseyapor neither is better. They are good at different things. See https://forum.mysensors.org/topic/3993/nordic-or-hoperf-radio/2 for an earlier discussion.

RAD-X

@mfalkvidd said in 💬 Connecting the Radio:

@Grave thanks for pointing this out. From looking at the source code, it looks like it should be MY_RFM69_CS_PIN. I have updated the text. Could you check if I got it right?

It looks like that MY_RFM69_CS_PIN is used only in develop branch.
Stable brach still using MY_RF69_SPI_CS.

mfalkvidd

@RAD-X both will work in the stable branch. See https://github.com/mysensors/MySensors/blob/28c4f3f19e7026f56fd9bbc61d566f770fd7a9d2/MyConfig.h#L935

RAD-X

@mfalkvidd
Hmm.... Is not that a reference to the development branch? :-)
I think that right content for stable branch is: https://github.com/mysensors/MySensors/blob/master/MyConfig.h
If you don´t believe it, try to download a stable branch, unpack and search for string "MY_RFM69_CS_PIN".

mfalkvidd

@RAD-X yes, you are correct. Thanks for noticing.

I thought that if I selected the master branch on github and used the search function, the search results would only show hits from the selected branch. But it seems like this is not the case.

Linking to a specific line in a file doesn't work very well, because that line might move by later commits. That's why I select a specific commit to link to. But as you point out, my link points to a commit in the development branch.

The correct link is https://github.com/mysensors/MySensors/blob/8bb3cfb2e14214ae19e8531c989d1e81c9660614/MyConfig.h#L663 and there is indeed no support for MY_RFM69_CS_PIN.

I'll update the documentation again. The documentation is meant to reflect the current stable branch.

EDIT: Found this in the Github documentation:

Only the default branch is considered.

So there is no way to search in the stable branch.

manutremo

I have one question regarding the length of the 868MHz antenna. According to the theory, a the wavelength of a 868Mhz signal is 300/868 = 34.6 mm, so a quarter wave antenna should be 8.6mm long. The table above indicates 8.2mm. May someone confirm the correct figure, and also indicate how critical is that difference in terms of range?

mfalkvidd

@manutremo the speed of electromagnetic waves is slower in metal than in vacuum, that's why the length is shorter.

My experience is that the length doesn't need to be exact, but antenna theory is way too complicated for me to understand the details.

manutremo

Many thanks @mfalkvidd . That explains it.

While waiting for an answer I also found some sites which mention that the speed of electromagnetic waves is even slower if the conductor has an isolation layer around, which would further justify the difference.

Many thanks! :+1:

mfalkvidd

@manutremo I think that part is due to skin effect.

manutremo

@mfalkvidd Many thanks again... I learn new things every day.

gvorster

@manutremo said in 💬 Connecting the Radio:

I have one question regarding the length of the 868MHz antenna. According to the theory, a the wavelength of a 868Mhz signal is 300/868 = 34.6 mm, so a quarter wave antenna should be 8.6mm long. The table above indicates 8.2mm. May someone confirm the correct figure, and also indicate how critical is that difference in terms of range?

I tried 3 types of antennas with RFM69HCW 868mhz.

Just a 8.6 cm wire
helical antenna

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sma antenna

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Indoor in my appartement (one floor) it doesn't matter which one I use. All is working fine.
I tried 2 nodes in my metal mailbox 10 meters below which has 2 tiny holes.
One with helical antenna, one with sma antenna.

Gateway (using sma antenna) receives no data.

Testing two repeater nodes (1 helical, 1 sma antenna) near a window I receive data via both repeaters. Sometimes the repeater with sma antenna is not relaying messages for the node with the sma antenna.

In my situation, the helical antenna works better for me. I just buy them on ebay.

gohan

Maybe the sma antenna is for the wrong frequency and it's giving poor results.

krisha

There is a mini module of the NRF 24L01+. Unfortunately some pinouts on the web were not correct. Not sure if many people use that, but here is a pinout that worked for me: http://s2.electrodragon.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/NRF24-Mini-02.jpg

manul

Hi Team,

First of all, thank you for your amazing work! It does help a lot to sea a dream become true :)

I was wondering, it seems that I can't receive messages from NRF24 radio while arduino node is sleeping... I've read several testimonies in this way as well on forums. I did connect the IRQ of the transceiver to the PIN 2 of my arduino, and took this as event for exiting sleep mode, but it seems not to work.

Is there anything in the roadmap regarding this? It could be really amazing to be able to sleep the battery-powered arduino, and wake it up as soon a message is received by the radio.
Or maybe there is something I did not correctly. Is there a feature for this?

mfalkvidd

@manul it would indeed be amazing, but the radios consume so much power when listening that it is no use to sleep the mcu.

The smartsleep feature is the best alternative so far. documentation: https://www.mysensors.org/download/sensor_api_20#sleeping

ricorico94

Hi,
I'm interested in using long range sensors based on LoRa and I saw on this forum that LORA radios should be supported with the RFM95. But I did not see any explanation or advice on hardware, pins, etc.
Could anyone confirm that the type of radio to attach on the gateway and the sensor is like:
link to aliexpress RFM95 radio

I see the chip mentioned is "RF96", but I did not see that name on the forum..(it was SX1276 I think), so I don't know.
Regarding frequency, I uderstood from other websites that in France, the frequency should be 868MHz, correct ? No risk to interfere with EnOcean/Zwave devices ?

I see also that these RFM95 radios have many more pins than the NRF24L01 : should I use the same pins than for NRF24 and leave the others unused ?
and then in the sketch, use the #define RFM95 statement ? Is it all that simple ?

And then I install the RFM95 as a second MySensors gateway on my network (for instance as an ethernet gateway) ?

br,
Ricorico94

peerv

Hi ricorico94,
If you are interested in LoRa and how to connect the radio have a look at www.thethingsnetwork.org

MattiMan

Hello!
I would like to use NRF24+PA radio, but when I try to use it instead normal NRF24 radio in MQTT-gateway it just dont work. I cant make connection between sensors and gateway.

Normal radio works just fine, but the range is a bit short for me.

I tried the low power setting also, but no help.

What should I do to make it work?

I use Domoticz as my controller.

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