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  • S shabba

    What is the purpose of the Raw connection under the radio connection? Designed for a jumper to supply RAW to MYSX connection?
    Also any other caveats to be aware of when using RAW and a 3.3 mini and skipping the regulator?

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    @shabba the purpose is to keep the raw power away from the 16 pin breakout header if it is not needed. If you connect the jumper, you will have raw power available on pin 1 of the header.

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      I was working on a project last night and was using an old REV 8 board for it. After wiring it up I needed to check some things with the pins on the breakout header. When I looked at the site, which showed the REV 9 board, I noticed that the breakout header is quite different between the REV 8 and REV 9 boards. I figured that it was worth noting to people here to watch what diagram you are looking at compared to what REV of the board you are using.

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      • dbemowskD dbemowsk

        I was working on a project last night and was using an old REV 8 board for it. After wiring it up I needed to check some things with the pins on the breakout header. When I looked at the site, which showed the REV 9 board, I noticed that the breakout header is quite different between the REV 8 and REV 9 boards. I figured that it was worth noting to people here to watch what diagram you are looking at compared to what REV of the board you are using.

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        sundberg84
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        wrote on last edited by sundberg84
        #137

        @dbemowsk - thank you for pointing this out!
        Rev 8 is MysX 1.X and one of the reasons I upgraded to Rev 9 is because MysX 2.X came out. The pins are a bit changed but much better in MysX 2.X. For more details can study the changes.txt as well in the project.

        I will add this to Q&A for EasyPCB so other users dont miss it!
        Thanks again!

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        MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - Gw Shield RFM69, 433mhz
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          #138

          Hi All,
          I have a lot of these PCBs in Rev.9 running as battery powered sensors. Also some with regulated power. They are running currentl with a NRF24L01. But i need to use on some sensors a RFM69 868 Radio. I have few breakout boards to use a RFM69 on a NRF24L01 connector. Is it possilbe just to replace the Radios on my EasyPBCs NRF to use RFM69 Radios? Think from power perspective should this be working. Well I know I have to Change also the Radio type in the Sketch. But is there anything more to do? Like cabling or specific Settings in the Sketch?

          Many Thanks
          Markus

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          • M Markus.

            Hi All,
            I have a lot of these PCBs in Rev.9 running as battery powered sensors. Also some with regulated power. They are running currentl with a NRF24L01. But i need to use on some sensors a RFM69 868 Radio. I have few breakout boards to use a RFM69 on a NRF24L01 connector. Is it possilbe just to replace the Radios on my EasyPBCs NRF to use RFM69 Radios? Think from power perspective should this be working. Well I know I have to Change also the Radio type in the Sketch. But is there anything more to do? Like cabling or specific Settings in the Sketch?

            Many Thanks
            Markus

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            korttoma
            Hero Member
            wrote on last edited by
            #139

            @Markus. Keep in mind that the RFM69 radio pins are not 5V tolerable so use them only with 3.3V Pro mini. And like you said change the radio type in sketch.

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            • korttomaK korttoma

              @Markus. Keep in mind that the RFM69 radio pins are not 5V tolerable so use them only with 3.3V Pro mini. And like you said change the radio type in sketch.

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              #140

              @korttoma yes i use the pro mini 3,3V but can Ireplace the Radios simply with a modification of the Sketch ? Because hen I Flash following Sketch to the Easy pcb:

              // Sample RFM69 receiver/gateway sketch, with ACK and optional encryption, and Automatic Transmission Control
              // Passes through any wireless received messages to the serial port & responds to ACKs
              // It also looks for an onboard FLASH chip, if present
              // **********************************************************************************
              // Copyright Felix Rusu 2016, http://www.LowPowerLab.com/contact
              // **********************************************************************************
              // License
              // **********************************************************************************
              // This program is free software; you can redistribute it 
              // and/or modify it under the terms of the GNU General    
              // Public License as published by the Free Software       
              // Foundation; either version 3 of the License, or        
              // (at your option) any later version.                    
              //                                                        
              // This program is distributed in the hope that it will   
              // be useful, but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the  
              // implied warranty of MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A   
              // PARTICULAR PURPOSE. See the GNU General Public        
              // License for more details.                              
              //                                                        
              // Licence can be viewed at                               
              // http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-3.0.txt
              //
              // Please maintain this license information along with authorship
              // and copyright notices in any redistribution of this code
              // **********************************************************************************
              #include <RFM69.h>         //get it here: https://www.github.com/lowpowerlab/rfm69
              #include <RFM69_ATC.h>     //get it here: https://www.github.com/lowpowerlab/rfm69
              #include <SPIFlash.h>      //get it here: https://www.github.com/lowpowerlab/spiflash
              #include <SPI.h>           //included with Arduino IDE install (www.arduino.cc)
              
              //*********************************************************************************************
              //************ IMPORTANT SETTINGS - YOU MUST CHANGE/CONFIGURE TO FIT YOUR HARDWARE *************
              //*********************************************************************************************
              #define NODEID        1    //unique for each node on same network
              #define NETWORKID     100  //the same on all nodes that talk to each other
              //Match frequency to the hardware version of the radio on your Moteino (uncomment one):
              //#define FREQUENCY     RF69_433MHZ
              #define FREQUENCY     RF69_868MHZ
              //#define FREQUENCY     RF69_915MHZ
              #define ENCRYPTKEY    "sampleEncryptKey" //exactly the same 16 characters/bytes on all nodes!
              #define IS_RFM69HW_HCW  //uncomment only for RFM69HW/HCW! Leave out if you have RFM69W/CW!
              //*********************************************************************************************
              //Auto Transmission Control - dials down transmit power to save battery
              //Usually you do not need to always transmit at max output power
              //By reducing TX power even a little you save a significant amount of battery power
              //This setting enables this gateway to work with remote nodes that have ATC enabled to
              //dial their power down to only the required level
              #define ENABLE_ATC    //comment out this line to disable AUTO TRANSMISSION CONTROL
              //*********************************************************************************************
              #define SERIAL_BAUD   115200
              
              #ifdef __AVR_ATmega1284P__
                #define LED           15 // Moteino MEGAs have LEDs on D15
                #define FLASH_SS      23 // and FLASH SS on D23
              #else
                #define LED           9 // Moteinos have LEDs on D9
                #define FLASH_SS      8 // and FLASH SS on D8
              #endif
              
              #ifdef ENABLE_ATC
                RFM69_ATC radio;
              #else
                RFM69 radio;
              #endif
              
              SPIFlash flash(FLASH_SS, 0xEF30); //EF30 for 4mbit  Windbond chip (W25X40CL)
              bool promiscuousMode = false; //set to 'true' to sniff all packets on the same network
              
              void setup() {
                Serial.begin(SERIAL_BAUD);
                delay(10);
                radio.initialize(FREQUENCY,NODEID,NETWORKID);
              #ifdef IS_RFM69HW_HCW
                radio.setHighPower(); //must include this only for RFM69HW/HCW!
              #endif
                radio.encrypt(ENCRYPTKEY);
                radio.promiscuous(promiscuousMode);
                //radio.setFrequency(919000000); //set frequency to some custom frequency
                char buff[50];
                sprintf(buff, "\nListening at %d Mhz...", FREQUENCY==RF69_433MHZ ? 433 : FREQUENCY==RF69_868MHZ ? 868 : 915);
                Serial.println(buff);
                if (flash.initialize())
                {
                  Serial.print("SPI Flash Init OK. Unique MAC = [");
                  flash.readUniqueId();
                  for (byte i=0;i<8;i++)
                  {
                    Serial.print(flash.UNIQUEID[i], HEX);
                    if (i!=8) Serial.print(':');
                  }
                  Serial.println(']');
                  
                  //alternative way to read it:
                  //byte* MAC = flash.readUniqueId();
                  //for (byte i=0;i<8;i++)
                  //{
                  //  Serial.print(MAC[i], HEX);
                  //  Serial.print(' ');
                  //}
                }
                else
                  Serial.println("SPI Flash MEM not found (is chip soldered?)...");
                  
              #ifdef ENABLE_ATC
                Serial.println("RFM69_ATC Enabled (Auto Transmission Control)");
              #endif
              }
              
              byte ackCount=0;
              uint32_t packetCount = 0;
              void loop() {
                //process any serial input
                if (Serial.available() > 0)
                {
                  char input = Serial.read();
                  if (input == 'r') //d=dump all register values
                    radio.readAllRegs();
                  if (input == 'E') //E=enable encryption
                    radio.encrypt(ENCRYPTKEY);
                  if (input == 'e') //e=disable encryption
                    radio.encrypt(null);
                  if (input == 'p')
                  {
                    promiscuousMode = !promiscuousMode;
                    radio.promiscuous(promiscuousMode);
                    Serial.print("Promiscuous mode ");Serial.println(promiscuousMode ? "on" : "off");
                  }
                  
                  if (input == 'd') //d=dump flash area
                  {
                    Serial.println("Flash content:");
                    int counter = 0;
              
                    while(counter<=256){
                      Serial.print(flash.readByte(counter++), HEX);
                      Serial.print('.');
                    }
                    while(flash.busy());
                    Serial.println();
                  }
                  if (input == 'D')
                  {
                    Serial.print("Deleting Flash chip ... ");
                    flash.chipErase();
                    while(flash.busy());
                    Serial.println("DONE");
                  }
                  if (input == 'i')
                  {
                    Serial.print("DeviceID: ");
                    word jedecid = flash.readDeviceId();
                    Serial.println(jedecid, HEX);
                  }
                  if (input == 't')
                  {
                    byte temperature =  radio.readTemperature(-1); // -1 = user cal factor, adjust for correct ambient
                    byte fTemp = 1.8 * temperature + 32; // 9/5=1.8
                    Serial.print( "Radio Temp is ");
                    Serial.print(temperature);
                    Serial.print("C, ");
                    Serial.print(fTemp); //converting to F loses some resolution, obvious when C is on edge between 2 values (ie 26C=78F, 27C=80F)
                    Serial.println('F');
                  }
                }
              
                if (radio.receiveDone())
                {
                  Serial.print("#[");
                  Serial.print(++packetCount);
                  Serial.print(']');
                  Serial.print('[');Serial.print(radio.SENDERID, DEC);Serial.print("] ");
                  if (promiscuousMode)
                  {
                    Serial.print("to [");Serial.print(radio.TARGETID, DEC);Serial.print("] ");
                  }
                  for (byte i = 0; i < radio.DATALEN; i++)
                    Serial.print((char)radio.DATA[i]);
                  Serial.print("   [RX_RSSI:");Serial.print(radio.RSSI);Serial.print("]");
                  
                  if (radio.ACKRequested())
                  {
                    byte theNodeID = radio.SENDERID;
                    radio.sendACK();
                    Serial.print(" - ACK sent.");
              
                    // When a node requests an ACK, respond to the ACK
                    // and also send a packet requesting an ACK (every 3rd one only)
                    // This way both TX/RX NODE functions are tested on 1 end at the GATEWAY
                    if (ackCount++%3==0)
                    {
                      Serial.print(" Pinging node ");
                      Serial.print(theNodeID);
                      Serial.print(" - ACK...");
                      delay(3); //need this when sending right after reception .. ?
                      if (radio.sendWithRetry(theNodeID, "ACK TEST", 8, 0))  // 0 = only 1 attempt, no retries
                        Serial.print("ok!");
                      else Serial.print("nothing");
                    }
                  }
                  Serial.println();
                  Blink(LED,3);
                }
              }
              
              void Blink(byte PIN, int DELAY_MS)
              {
                pinMode(PIN, OUTPUT);
                digitalWrite(PIN,HIGH);
                delay(DELAY_MS);
                digitalWrite(PIN,LOW);
              }
              
              

              I get following result:

              Listening at 868 Mhz...
              SPI Flash MEM not found (is chip soldered?)...
              RFM69_ATC Enabled (Auto Transmission Control)
              
              
              
              
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              • M Markus.

                Hi All,
                I have a lot of these PCBs in Rev.9 running as battery powered sensors. Also some with regulated power. They are running currentl with a NRF24L01. But i need to use on some sensors a RFM69 868 Radio. I have few breakout boards to use a RFM69 on a NRF24L01 connector. Is it possilbe just to replace the Radios on my EasyPBCs NRF to use RFM69 Radios? Think from power perspective should this be working. Well I know I have to Change also the Radio type in the Sketch. But is there anything more to do? Like cabling or specific Settings in the Sketch?

                Many Thanks
                Markus

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                Mod
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                #141

                @Markus.

                I am using these and they work https://www.mysensors.org/hardware/nrf2rfm69

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                • gohanG gohan

                  @Markus.

                  I am using these and they work https://www.mysensors.org/hardware/nrf2rfm69

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                  #142

                  @gohan its eactly the adaptor board which i try to use at the Moment.
                  But I am not sure If the test Sketch can work. Because the pin Definition could be different to get it working on the Easy PCB with RFM69 ?!

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                    Mod
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                    #143

                    No, I only changed the define from nrf24 to rfm69 and that was it. The capacitor I left the one on the EASYPCB near the nrf24 connector (a 10uF ceramic)

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                    • gohanG gohan

                      No, I only changed the define from nrf24 to rfm69 and that was it. The capacitor I left the one on the EASYPCB near the nrf24 connector (a 10uF ceramic)

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                      #144

                      @gohan Sounds good :-) well, I have a 10uF electrolytic there. Hope it makes not the big difference. On the boards with NRF works that fine so far.

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                        Mod
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                        #145

                        I used the ceramic becuse I had a bunch of those :D

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                          sincze
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                          #146

                          @sundberg84: Received the V9 boards and started to work with them. Converting my nodes into smaller ones ;-)

                          I want to use it with my 5v arduino. So need voltage regulator for the radio. I guess you are using LE33 if I read the thread correctly. I have LM1117 which seems to be a hassle to fix on the board with the 'rough bulky' legs. Suggestions or just buy LE33 ;-)

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                            if you have MCP1700 you can still fit those

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                            • sinczeS sincze

                              @sundberg84: Received the V9 boards and started to work with them. Converting my nodes into smaller ones ;-)

                              I want to use it with my 5v arduino. So need voltage regulator for the radio. I guess you are using LE33 if I read the thread correctly. I have LM1117 which seems to be a hassle to fix on the board with the 'rough bulky' legs. Suggestions or just buy LE33 ;-)

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                              @sincze When I first got my rev8 boards a long time ago I had the same issue. I did manage to bend the leads and solder some extensions on one to get it to work, but in the end it was just too much of a pain in the arse. I ended up buying L78L33ACZ regulators which work just fine, but the board was designed using the LE33. The LE33 is an LDO regulator where the L78L33 is not. The quiscent current of the L78L33 regulator, which is something I forgot to look at when I bought them, is 6mA where the LE33 maxes out at 3mA, which is much better when building battery operated nodes.

                              Vera Plus running UI7 with MySensors, Sonoffs and 1-Wire devices
                              Visit my website for more Bits, Bytes and Ramblings from me: http://dan.bemowski.info/

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                                As mentioned above, it works but you need to watch for the right pins... you might have to be careful bending those pins but I think its managable... My suggestion though is to look for volt. regulators with the same pinout.

                                Controller: Proxmox VM - Home Assistant
                                MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - W5100 Ethernet, Gw Shield Nrf24l01+ 2,4Ghz
                                MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - Gw Shield RFM69, 433mhz
                                RFLink GW - Arduino Mega + RFLink Shield, 433mhz

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                                • dbemowskD dbemowsk

                                  @sincze When I first got my rev8 boards a long time ago I had the same issue. I did manage to bend the leads and solder some extensions on one to get it to work, but in the end it was just too much of a pain in the arse. I ended up buying L78L33ACZ regulators which work just fine, but the board was designed using the LE33. The LE33 is an LDO regulator where the L78L33 is not. The quiscent current of the L78L33 regulator, which is something I forgot to look at when I bought them, is 6mA where the LE33 maxes out at 3mA, which is much better when building battery operated nodes.

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                                  @dbemowsk said in Easy/Newbie PCB for MySensors:

                                  LDO regulator

                                  A well that is a clear answer. So I just ordered a few LE33. The project has to wait.
                                  It still will be a tough one getting everyting attached to the pins. ->. 2x Door Sensor / 3x Dallas DS18B20 / 3x Relais / 2x Control LEDS TX/RX. A well part of the game. Already figured out I have to use the A0x pins as digital ones. As i don't plan to use IRQ I'm really hopeful this nicely designed PCB will offer me A0,A1A4,A5 D2,D3,D5,D6. So should fit ;-)

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                                  • sinczeS sincze

                                    @dbemowsk said in Easy/Newbie PCB for MySensors:

                                    LDO regulator

                                    A well that is a clear answer. So I just ordered a few LE33. The project has to wait.
                                    It still will be a tough one getting everyting attached to the pins. ->. 2x Door Sensor / 3x Dallas DS18B20 / 3x Relais / 2x Control LEDS TX/RX. A well part of the game. Already figured out I have to use the A0x pins as digital ones. As i don't plan to use IRQ I'm really hopeful this nicely designed PCB will offer me A0,A1A4,A5 D2,D3,D5,D6. So should fit ;-)

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                                    @sincze With that much going on, you may want to connect a set of header pins to the outputs next to the nRF24 radio and run that to an external proto-board for connecting all of your devices. You won't make it on the small proto section of the newbie board for everything you want to add.

                                    Vera Plus running UI7 with MySensors, Sonoffs and 1-Wire devices
                                    Visit my website for more Bits, Bytes and Ramblings from me: http://dan.bemowski.info/

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                                      @sincze With that much going on, you may want to connect a set of header pins to the outputs next to the nRF24 radio and run that to an external proto-board for connecting all of your devices. You won't make it on the small proto section of the newbie board for everything you want to add.

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                                      @dbemowsk @sincze - its a good idea with a proto board or you can build something and add as an shield on the MysX connector... I would also suggest you run a seperate power regulator for the sensors... atleast do some calculactions before adding them in because LE33 can handle maximum of 0.2A i think.

                                      Controller: Proxmox VM - Home Assistant
                                      MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - W5100 Ethernet, Gw Shield Nrf24l01+ 2,4Ghz
                                      MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - Gw Shield RFM69, 433mhz
                                      RFLink GW - Arduino Mega + RFLink Shield, 433mhz

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                                        @dbemowsk @sincze - its a good idea with a proto board or you can build something and add as an shield on the MysX connector... I would also suggest you run a seperate power regulator for the sensors... atleast do some calculactions before adding them in because LE33 can handle maximum of 0.2A i think.

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                                        @sundberg84 Ok tnx for the heads up. Currently I have everything in DEMO up and running on a NANO on my desk (using the exact same pins as I would on your PCB.
                                        I was thinking of the following. Power the PCB with 5v and use a 5v arduino mini, use the LE33 to power the Antenna with 3,3v. Hopefully this will enable the pins Mys pins A0 ...Dx with 5v.(Have to look at the schematic to be sure). Keeping your advise in mind to add some extra juice I have to power the RELAIS & Temp sensor separately with 5v and keep the grounds of everything together with the PCB. I think it should work. But maybe I am missing something.

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                                          @sundberg84 Ok tnx for the heads up. Currently I have everything in DEMO up and running on a NANO on my desk (using the exact same pins as I would on your PCB.
                                          I was thinking of the following. Power the PCB with 5v and use a 5v arduino mini, use the LE33 to power the Antenna with 3,3v. Hopefully this will enable the pins Mys pins A0 ...Dx with 5v.(Have to look at the schematic to be sure). Keeping your advise in mind to add some extra juice I have to power the RELAIS & Temp sensor separately with 5v and keep the grounds of everything together with the PCB. I think it should work. But maybe I am missing something.

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                                          @sincze all you can do is test and learn !!

                                          Controller: Proxmox VM - Home Assistant
                                          MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - W5100 Ethernet, Gw Shield Nrf24l01+ 2,4Ghz
                                          MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - Gw Shield RFM69, 433mhz
                                          RFLink GW - Arduino Mega + RFLink Shield, 433mhz

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