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  • DNKROZD Offline
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    wrote on last edited by DNKROZ
    #9

    Hi.

    I've tried to do exactly the same thing with the remotes for my roller blinds, I also started with relays (as they are the most obvious solution), but I found something that works just fine, no noise and low power:

    http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/cd4066b.pdf

    Just power it with 5V (I think it works from 3 to 18 V) and you have 4 "switches" using pairs from the IC and send a "high" state using a control Output from the arduino to the control pin on the IC, it doesn't really "connect" the two contacts, there is still an small resistance between them (about 500 ohms) but it works just fine with my remotes, they think the button has been pressed.
    And, as a bonus, they only are about 1.50 euros for 10 PCs, that is 40 switches for 1.50... try to do that with conventional relays and you are looking at about 45 euros at least.

    Regards.

    PS: Also, they work with the Relay example from the libraries, just changing the default value from #define RELAY_ON 0 and #define RELAY_OFF 1 to make they active HIGH, (#define RELAY_ON 1 #define RELAY_OFF 0)

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    • DNKROZD DNKROZ

      Hi.

      I've tried to do exactly the same thing with the remotes for my roller blinds, I also started with relays (as they are the most obvious solution), but I found something that works just fine, no noise and low power:

      http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/cd4066b.pdf

      Just power it with 5V (I think it works from 3 to 18 V) and you have 4 "switches" using pairs from the IC and send a "high" state using a control Output from the arduino to the control pin on the IC, it doesn't really "connect" the two contacts, there is still an small resistance between them (about 500 ohms) but it works just fine with my remotes, they think the button has been pressed.
      And, as a bonus, they only are about 1.50 euros for 10 PCs, that is 40 switches for 1.50... try to do that with conventional relays and you are looking at about 45 euros at least.

      Regards.

      PS: Also, they work with the Relay example from the libraries, just changing the default value from #define RELAY_ON 0 and #define RELAY_OFF 1 to make they active HIGH, (#define RELAY_ON 1 #define RELAY_OFF 0)

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      wrote on last edited by
      #10

      @DNKROZ

      Great input, thanks!

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      • ferpandoF Offline
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        #11

        @DNKROZ said:

        http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/cd4066b.pdf

        Thank you.
        I finally made it work.
        I changes the 330 Ohms resistor I was using for the optocoupler for a 220 Ohms and it started to work.
        Anyway your approach is really nice and more compact.

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        • J Offline
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          Jackpot
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          #12

          This is what I have been using TLP222.

          TOSHIBA Photocoupler Photorelay
          The Toshiba TLP222G TLP222G-2 consist of a gallium arsenide infrared Emitting Diode optically coupled to a photo-MOSFET in a DIP package The TLP222G series are a bi-directional Switch which CAN replace mechanical relays in many applications. By Toshiba Semiconductor.

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          • ferpandoF ferpando

            Hi,
            If I use some optocoupler like the 4N35, will the actuator sketch work as if it was a relay?
            Thanks in advance

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            #13

            I have now the hardware part working with 9 optocuoplers driven by an Arduino micro, using a couple shift registers.
            The problem now is from the software point of view.
            How to address the optos.
            When using relays or opts directly, the sketch uses digitalWrite to have the pin HIGH or LOW.
            When I set the number of relays, VERA creates that number of light switches.

            Now with the shit registers, I use only pins 4, 6 and 7 of the arduino.
            I don't know if this will work just by telling the sketch I have now 9 relays, and then change a bit the program to address the shift register correctly.
            Will the pins I use (4,6,7) conflict with the ones used by the sketch for the relays? (3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8,.... 9,10,11 for the 9 relays) The mini only has 3-8 free pins.
            I don't know how to start with this.

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            • ferpandoF ferpando

              I have now the hardware part working with 9 optocuoplers driven by an Arduino micro, using a couple shift registers.
              The problem now is from the software point of view.
              How to address the optos.
              When using relays or opts directly, the sketch uses digitalWrite to have the pin HIGH or LOW.
              When I set the number of relays, VERA creates that number of light switches.

              Now with the shit registers, I use only pins 4, 6 and 7 of the arduino.
              I don't know if this will work just by telling the sketch I have now 9 relays, and then change a bit the program to address the shift register correctly.
              Will the pins I use (4,6,7) conflict with the ones used by the sketch for the relays? (3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8,.... 9,10,11 for the 9 relays) The mini only has 3-8 free pins.
              I don't know how to start with this.

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              BulldogLowell
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              wrote on last edited by
              #14

              @ferpando

              the key is mapping the bit in your register to a device you create.

              you can use your bitwise operators to determine if you should toggle a device's status.

              which shift register are u using?

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              • BulldogLowellB BulldogLowell

                @ferpando

                the key is mapping the bit in your register to a device you create.

                you can use your bitwise operators to determine if you should toggle a device's status.

                which shift register are u using?

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                ferpando
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                wrote on last edited by
                #15

                @BulldogLowell
                I'm using 74HC595.
                I solved it changing the sketch from relay to servo, and them making some modifications to it.
                It works very nice now.

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                • ferpandoF ferpando

                  @BulldogLowell
                  I'm using 74HC595.
                  I solved it changing the sketch from relay to servo, and them making some modifications to it.
                  It works very nice now.

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                  @ferpando said:

                  @BulldogLowell
                  I'm using 74HC595.
                  I solved it changing the sketch from relay to servo, and them making some modifications to it.
                  It works very nice now.

                  so, pulsing the optocoupler with 'pushbutton' front end on vera's UI, good idea.

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                  • BulldogLowellB BulldogLowell

                    @ferpando said:

                    @BulldogLowell
                    I'm using 74HC595.
                    I solved it changing the sketch from relay to servo, and them making some modifications to it.
                    It works very nice now.

                    so, pulsing the optocoupler with 'pushbutton' front end on vera's UI, good idea.

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                    ferpando
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                    #17

                    @BulldogLowell
                    Works pretty well.
                    The servo sketch installs a blind control device on vera with allows me to control stop, up and down buttons with one device per blind.

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                      #18

                      Please show us some photo of the Servo into the Blinds :)

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                      • HoffanH Hoffan

                        Please show us some photo of the Servo into the Blinds :)

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                        ferpando
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                        @Hoffan
                        No servo in the blinds.
                        The blinds have somfi motors.
                        I just use the sketch of a servo to control it.

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                          daulagari
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                          Had this problem myself, controlling Somfy blinds using my computer/smartphone.

                          Did read in a forum on a Somfy RS-485 solution (way to expensive) and about somebody that took his remote control and replaced the buttons by relays and had those relays controlled by a zWave (dual) binary switch. Also quite expensive solution to my opinion and not that supported.

                          Recently, but before I knew mysensors, RFXCOM came with the RFXtrx433E so I went for that. Quite nice, you can pair the Somfy blinds with the RFXtrx433E and control everything.

                          Knowing mysensors, taking the remote control and replacing the buttons using relays controlled by an Arduino Pro Mini would also be a good option.

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                          • daulagariD daulagari

                            Had this problem myself, controlling Somfy blinds using my computer/smartphone.

                            Did read in a forum on a Somfy RS-485 solution (way to expensive) and about somebody that took his remote control and replaced the buttons by relays and had those relays controlled by a zWave (dual) binary switch. Also quite expensive solution to my opinion and not that supported.

                            Recently, but before I knew mysensors, RFXCOM came with the RFXtrx433E so I went for that. Quite nice, you can pair the Somfy blinds with the RFXtrx433E and control everything.

                            Knowing mysensors, taking the remote control and replacing the buttons using relays controlled by an Arduino Pro Mini would also be a good option.

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                            Zeph
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                            wrote on last edited by
                            #21

                            @daulagari said:

                            Knowing mysensors, taking the remote control and replacing the buttons using relays controlled by an Arduino Pro Mini would also be a good option.

                            Or better still, optocouplers or an analog switch as described above...

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                            • Z Zeph

                              @daulagari said:

                              Knowing mysensors, taking the remote control and replacing the buttons using relays controlled by an Arduino Pro Mini would also be a good option.

                              Or better still, optocouplers or an analog switch as described above...

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                              daulagari
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                              wrote on last edited by
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                              @Zeph said:

                              Or better still, optocouplers or an analog switch as described above...

                              Yes, that's a better option as relays are quite power hungry and bulky.

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