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Need working example battery powered sensor

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  • J Jan Gatzke

    I think you need a modified Arduino bootloader for 1 Mhz operation. The bootloader does the serial communication wich is very timing critical. And when the bootloader is compiled with 8 mhz the baud value simply doesn't match.

    Regarding power consumption...did you remove the LEDs? The power LED alone needs about 2 mA. This would explain your values.

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    @Jan-Gatzke mind to share it how?

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      I have never done this before. But basically you need the c code of the bootloader for your Arduino. Then open it with a text editor and change the f_cpu value. Then compile and flash it using avrdude.

      I googled and found this:
      http://angryelectron.com/how-to-update-the-bootloader-on-arduino-pro-mini-328/

      I would use Atmel studio for these low level tasks if you are running on Windows.

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        I have never done this before. But basically you need the c code of the bootloader for your Arduino. Then open it with a text editor and change the f_cpu value. Then compile and flash it using avrdude.

        I googled and found this:
        http://angryelectron.com/how-to-update-the-bootloader-on-arduino-pro-mini-328/

        I would use Atmel studio for these low level tasks if you are running on Windows.

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        @Jan-Gatzke said:

        I have never done this before. But basically you need the c code of the bootloader for your Arduino. Then open it with a text editor and change the f_cpu value. Then compile and flash it using avrdude.

        I googled and found this:
        http://angryelectron.com/how-to-update-the-bootloader-on-arduino-pro-mini-328/

        I would use Atmel studio for these low level tasks if you are running in Windows.

        Edit: Found already compiled bootloaders here: http://forum.arduino.cc/index.php?topic=160647.15

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        • J Jan Gatzke

          @Jan-Gatzke said:

          I have never done this before. But basically you need the c code of the bootloader for your Arduino. Then open it with a text editor and change the f_cpu value. Then compile and flash it using avrdude.

          I googled and found this:
          http://angryelectron.com/how-to-update-the-bootloader-on-arduino-pro-mini-328/

          I would use Atmel studio for these low level tasks if you are running in Windows.

          Edit: Found already compiled bootloaders here: http://forum.arduino.cc/index.php?topic=160647.15

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          @Jan-Gatzke Thank you very much Sir....Now this is getting excited :+1:

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            I broke one Arduino by removing the power regulator
            I broke another one while playing with the fuses (I think?) in an attempt to set the 1Mhz system clock.
            I tried all suggested "low power/sleep/pwr_dwn sketches" I came across, but one of them was giving my a better power consumption then the default "sleep time" option used in the sketches of mysensors.
            The only thing that was working as removing the LED. This saves approx. 1.2mA.

            I am now at 3.3mA sleep consumption. Adding the DC-DC power booster to the config once received from China, so I expect to add another extra mA consumption.
            Not sure if 4.5mA sleep pwr draw is sustainable for battery operators (only 26 days on a 2800mAh batterypack).

            Since I believe that lowering the clock rate could be the solution for my project, I ordered some more mini-pro's to experiment more with the fuses setting.

            Overall, despite the mixed results, still a very interesting project where I had great learning on my rusty hardware and programming skills....

            Any further suggestions to improve pwr consumption remain always welcome :-)

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              I broke one Arduino by removing the power regulator
              I broke another one while playing with the fuses (I think?) in an attempt to set the 1Mhz system clock.
              I tried all suggested "low power/sleep/pwr_dwn sketches" I came across, but one of them was giving my a better power consumption then the default "sleep time" option used in the sketches of mysensors.
              The only thing that was working as removing the LED. This saves approx. 1.2mA.

              I am now at 3.3mA sleep consumption. Adding the DC-DC power booster to the config once received from China, so I expect to add another extra mA consumption.
              Not sure if 4.5mA sleep pwr draw is sustainable for battery operators (only 26 days on a 2800mAh batterypack).

              Since I believe that lowering the clock rate could be the solution for my project, I ordered some more mini-pro's to experiment more with the fuses setting.

              Overall, despite the mixed results, still a very interesting project where I had great learning on my rusty hardware and programming skills....

              Any further suggestions to improve pwr consumption remain always welcome :-)

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              @jovo I had some problems with mini's I ordered which can be "switched" between 3.3 and 5v. These mini's use a voltage divider that consumes around 2 mA.! Apart from the led and regulator I alse needed to remove this divider to get to less consumption.
              upload-4891e188-701a-4c2b-a302-afd4caa9b6b0

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                @jovo I had some problems with mini's I ordered which can be "switched" between 3.3 and 5v. These mini's use a voltage divider that consumes around 2 mA.! Apart from the led and regulator I alse needed to remove this divider to get to less consumption.
                upload-4891e188-701a-4c2b-a302-afd4caa9b6b0

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                @AWI: Tx for the feedback. I checked with my mini's. I got both versions: 5v and 3v3 (ordered from BEEStore). They seems not to be switchable. they 3v3 one have a 8Mhz crystal and the regulator (AMS 1117) for 3v3. the 5v one has 16Mhz crystal and a 5v version of this regulator.

                I was wondering, in my design I plan to power the board directly from the VCC pin (not the raw). I suspect that the regulator doesn't consume much in this case. let me see if I can find a datasheet of this component.

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                  Humm, from the AMS1117 datasheet:

                  Quiescent Current AMS1117: 5-11mA.
                  It looks like to has some significant quiescent current.
                  Perhaps for me good idea to research a little further in this direction.

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                  • funky81F funky81

                    @Jan-Gatzke Thank you very much Sir....Now this is getting excited :+1:

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                    @Jan-Gatzke i've tried this bootloader with several of my arduino pro mini.
                    most of them run @ 1 Mhz, thanks to you. but somehow the current consumption dont decrease. but i've check with my usbtiny for the fuse, it already @ 1MHz....

                    no clue what happen here

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                      @jovo I had some problems with mini's I ordered which can be "switched" between 3.3 and 5v. These mini's use a voltage divider that consumes around 2 mA.! Apart from the led and regulator I alse needed to remove this divider to get to less consumption.
                      upload-4891e188-701a-4c2b-a302-afd4caa9b6b0

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                      @AWI Hello AWI, sorry i know the topic is old, but i have exatly the same minis bought. Can you tell me what i have to remove or can you attach a photo. many thanks
                      greetings
                      hansiii

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                      • hansiiiH hansiii

                        @AWI Hello AWI, sorry i know the topic is old, but i have exatly the same minis bought. Can you tell me what i have to remove or can you attach a photo. many thanks
                        greetings
                        hansiii

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                        @hansiii that was certainly a while ago.. I removed all resistors near the voltage selector and the regulator (5 legs)

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                        • AWIA AWI

                          @hansiii that was certainly a while ago.. I removed all resistors near the voltage selector and the regulator (5 legs)

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                          @AWI Thank you!
                          now i have removed the three resitors, before that I had only removed the regulator. Now the battery drain
                          is away.
                          0_1474006120595_Arduino_pro.jpg

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