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  • hekH hek

    @hautomate said:

    3,091 in stock

    That's the old A10. It would probably work but A20 has some firmware fixes and more tests performed on it.
    I have nothing to say about the price. It is the same as for A20.. As you can see it is the most expensive part on the micro board (30% of it's price).

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    twosh
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    @hek said:

    That's the old A10. It would probably work but A20 has some firmware fixes and more tests performed on it.
    I have nothing to say about the price. It is the same as for A20.. As you can see it is the most expensive part on the micro board (30% of it's price).

    Would you consider a Sensebender Micro Light-version without this component? i mean, if it's 30 % of the price, not available and not imo a critical component (you could always add your own humidity/temp sensors), there are quite a few reasons why a light version would be tempting. At least to me. :)

    Cheers,
    Tim

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      sundberg84
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      @twosh @hek A Sensebender Light would be great is my opinion. Im not looking for these advances futures, only a simple and as cheap as possible board to run on batteries and a temp sensor. Br Andreas

      Controller: Proxmox VM - Home Assistant
      MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - W5100 Ethernet, Gw Shield Nrf24l01+ 2,4Ghz
      MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - Gw Shield RFM69, 433mhz
      RFLink GW - Arduino Mega + RFLink Shield, 433mhz

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        #98

        @twosh, @sundberg84

        Well, it's a temperature sensor, and humidity in one :). If you are going to use other sensor types (DS1820, or cheaper humidity/temperature sensors), you also need to have a booster circuit, in order to boost battery voltage to 3V minimum (as they don't operate on voltages lower than that).

        So in the end, you'll buy both booster circuits, and sensors, which will be close to the same price as the Si7021 in the end, to get the same functionality.

        And since you (probably) are using a cheap booster circuit from ebay, the battery would not last that long, so you buy lot's of batteries to feed the booster circuitry :)

        But when that's said, we could ask itead if they could make a "barebone" unit, without the Si7021 mounted, and then provide a quote on that type of sensor.

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          sundberg84
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          #99

          @tbowmo

          Thank you for your answer tbowmo - i see your logic.
          But if you want to use it with say, light, motion or another sensor with this board - do I need a booster?

          Controller: Proxmox VM - Home Assistant
          MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - W5100 Ethernet, Gw Shield Nrf24l01+ 2,4Ghz
          MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - Gw Shield RFM69, 433mhz
          RFLink GW - Arduino Mega + RFLink Shield, 433mhz

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            #100

            I'll add my voice to the requests for a 'lite' version of the Sensebender Micro board. My ideal would be to provide an option without the A20 secure signing IC placed, but leaving the Si7021 in.

            Cheers
            Richard

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              @hawk_2050

              Well, the atsha204 is only about 0.5$ in price, so the savings will be very little.

              @sundberg84
              If it's a pure motion sensor then I can see a point in using a light edition. I have requested a quote from itead on a light edition.

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                twosh
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                #102

                @tbowmo It was just a thought I came up with and thought to share my idea and arguments. :)
                I think the Sensebender Micro is great especially if you would like to monitor temperatures (which of course many of us wants to), but I just think that a less expensive, light option (that would be available to order... :) ) could appeal to many. Great that you have requested a quote!

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                  #103

                  Just as a reference, the boost regulators I did, based on the TPS61221, cost something like $1.7, including the (very small) PCB. The TPS61221 is about $1 out of that cost. And I did not use the cheapest inductor exactly. Plus the cost of small volumes and ordering each component individually from AliExpress.

                  Don't have any testing equipment, and I haven't done any long term tests, but the prototype I did was perfectly able to run a mysensors node, including the motion detector module, and a small buzzer, on just one AA battery.

                  Not to say that I also wouldn't like pads for the Si7021 at least. It's a damn fine chip, hence the cost.

                  I think that in the long run, we should think about some sort of mini shield system where a base board can be extended, so (almost) everyone can get what they want. At the expense of bulkier designs, but it would be a choice for the end-user and everything comes at a cost anyway.

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                  • FotoFieberF Offline
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                    wrote on last edited by
                    #104

                    Got mine yesterday (Switzerland)!

                    I really like the design of the board. Only improvement I wish: integrated NRF24L01+ :-)

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                    • tbowmoT tbowmo

                      @hawk_2050

                      Well, the atsha204 is only about 0.5$ in price, so the savings will be very little.

                      @sundberg84
                      If it's a pure motion sensor then I can see a point in using a light edition. I have requested a quote from itead on a light edition.

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                      #105

                      @tbowmo, ah, sorry misunderstanding then. I thought it was the atsha204 that was contributing 30% of the cost, but I guess it's the Si7021, which is rather useful to have!

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                        #106

                        Was anybody able to track the Micros. My tracking said it left HongKong on 04.06.2015 and I am wondering why you already received your items.

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                          #107

                          @gloob
                          same here. Has left on 04.06.2015 - no more info. Also on local post service (link below on hk post) no entry.
                          As I live in Germany and the post is on strike and our customs work with "german gründlichkeit" I dont expect it to arrive too fast...

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                            hek
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                            wrote on last edited by
                            #108

                            Mine came in this Monday. One of them has been running since.

                            Screen Shot 2015-06-11 at 09.44.46.png

                            It is a tracked mail/package so Itead probably has the number somewhere.

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                            • H hawk_2050

                              @tbowmo, ah, sorry misunderstanding then. I thought it was the atsha204 that was contributing 30% of the cost, but I guess it's the Si7021, which is rather useful to have!

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                              tbowmo
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                              @hawk_2050 said:

                              @tbowmo, ah, sorry misunderstanding then. I thought it was the atsha204 that was contributing 30% of the cost, but I guess it's the Si7021, which is rather useful to have!

                              Yup it's the Si7021.. It's about 5$ in low quantities from Mouser (Think that itead has a better source thouǵh)

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                                wrote on last edited by
                                #110

                                I received mine today. I would be interested in a lower cost version as well that doesn't include the temp & humidity sensor.

                                Cheers
                                Al

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                                  gloob
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                                  #111

                                  Hello,

                                  Can some one measure the real power consumption of the sensebender with the default sketch (humidity, temperature, battery level) running and the nrf24l01 module?

                                  Would like to get an idea of home many µA are used in active mode and how many µA in sleep mode the sensebender is taking.

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                                    #112

                                    Lucky yous, I am still waiting for delivery in Canada.
                                    Looks as though it will be next week as Friday mail has past.

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                                      RJ_Make
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                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #113

                                      Still waiting here on the East Coast...

                                      RJ_Make

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                                        #114

                                        My two have arrived, up and running in Domoticz as WTGR800 temp + hum.

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                                          #115

                                          Jus measured power consumption:

                                          44.66 µA - when sleep
                                          between 11mA and 14mA when transmitting (every minute, default sketch)

                                          I was using my Fluke 287.

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