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Safe In-Wall AC to DC Transformers??

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  • T ThinkPad

    I would be careful when stripping cheap USB-powersupplies and tucking them into a box in the wall. Read this page: http://www.lygte-info.dk/info/indexUSB UK.html and this page: http://www.lygte-info.dk/info/usbPowerSupplyTest UK.html to see how badly constructed some of these powersupplies are.

    He also explains how he is testing those powersupplies: http://lygte-info.dk/info/usbPowerSupplyTestHow UK.html
    Very informative i must say.

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    @ThinkPad Thanks for posting that. Great info there. Looks like you get what you pay for with the cheap power supplies.

    Cheers
    Al

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    • T ThinkPad

      I would be careful when stripping cheap USB-powersupplies and tucking them into a box in the wall. Read this page: http://www.lygte-info.dk/info/indexUSB UK.html and this page: http://www.lygte-info.dk/info/usbPowerSupplyTest UK.html to see how badly constructed some of these powersupplies are.

      He also explains how he is testing those powersupplies: http://lygte-info.dk/info/usbPowerSupplyTestHow UK.html
      Very informative i must say.

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      @ThinkPad said:

      I would be careful when stripping cheap USB-powersupplies and tucking them into a box in the wall.

      Thanks for the information.The most powersupplies are horrible.
      The engineers have developed them must go to jail.
      Safety must be the major goal not the price.

      if (knowledge == 0) { use BRAIN; use GOOGLE;use SEARCH; } else {make POST;}

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      • YveauxY Yveaux

        @petewill Mouser carries them, and also the european version (GS05E-USB). Please see here.

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        #67

        @Yveaux Thanks. I was hoping there would be a cheaper way to get these. With shipping it's pretty pricey. Probably not as pricey as a fire though...

        My "How To" home automation video channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCq_Evyh5PQALx4m4CQuxqkA

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        • petewillP petewill

          @Yveaux Thanks. I was hoping there would be a cheaper way to get these. With shipping it's pretty pricey. Probably not as pricey as a fire though...

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          @petewill I have a supplier on ali that sells meanwell reasonably cheap. I used to buy all the power supplies for the LED lights I made from him. I will ask him for a quote. The downside is that he ships everything DHL.... still might be cheaper. where are you located?

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          • Moshe LivneM Moshe Livne

            @petewill I have a supplier on ali that sells meanwell reasonably cheap. I used to buy all the power supplies for the LED lights I made from him. I will ask him for a quote. The downside is that he ships everything DHL.... still might be cheaper. where are you located?

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            @Moshe-Livne Ok, thanks! I live in Colorado, USA.

            My "How To" home automation video channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCq_Evyh5PQALx4m4CQuxqkA

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              so finally....plz...tell me which power supply is the best to put inside in the wall?

              I want required 5v for Relay, arduino mini, and radio.

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              • petewillP petewill

                @Moshe-Livne Ok, thanks! I live in Colorado, USA.

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                @petewill My supplier is not selling these :-(
                apparently they are new
                @jemish It is still a work in progress. @didi will do some tests and we are trying to get some more for testing.
                Based on http://www.lygte-info.dk/info/indexUSB UK.html I would choose the apple one (http://lygte-info.dk/review/USBpower Apple USB power adapter UK.html)... But YMMV. I am not sure it has OTP

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                • J jemish

                  so finally....plz...tell me which power supply is the best to put inside in the wall?

                  I want required 5v for Relay, arduino mini, and radio.

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                  @jemish Be safe and buy something like: http://www.recom-international.com/pdf/Powerline-AC-DC/RAC03-SCR_277.pdf
                  Live on the edge (having a decent fire insurance) and tear down a USB charger or buy one of the few $$ versions from China .

                  http://yveaux.blogspot.nl

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                  • petewillP petewill

                    @ThinkPad Thanks for posting. It's good to see how the tests are performed. Unfortunately I don't have the equipment or skill to know how to test. Hopefully we will be able to find a safe one that we can all use.

                    @Moshe-Livne have you been able to find the meanwell chargers from anywhere besides jameco?

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                    I have asked the guy who made this excellent list to test the meanwell - hopefully he will oblige. I still haven't been able to find anything with OTP even remotely in this price bracket....

                    @petewill said:

                    @ThinkPad Thanks for posting. It's good to see how the tests are performed. Unfortunately I don't have the equipment or skill to know how to test. Hopefully we will be able to find a safe one that we can all use.

                    @Moshe-Livne have you been able to find the meanwell chargers from anywhere besides jameco?

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                    • YveauxY Yveaux

                      @jemish Be safe and buy something like: http://www.recom-international.com/pdf/Powerline-AC-DC/RAC03-SCR_277.pdf
                      Live on the edge (having a decent fire insurance) and tear down a USB charger or buy one of the few $$ versions from China .

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                      @Yveaux this RECOM AC to DC converter will safe or not for put it to in the wall.

                      because I have to start live HOME Automation.

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                      • J jemish

                        @Yveaux this RECOM AC to DC converter will safe or not for put it to in the wall.

                        because I have to start live HOME Automation.

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                        @jemish Its dimensions are especially chosen to fit in a standard round wall enclosure; its round and very flat, so it can be mounted behind a switch or some electronics inside a wall.
                        here you can find some use cases.

                        http://yveaux.blogspot.nl

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                        • YveauxY Yveaux

                          @jemish Its dimensions are especially chosen to fit in a standard round wall enclosure; its round and very flat, so it can be mounted behind a switch or some electronics inside a wall.
                          here you can find some use cases.

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                          @Yveaux thank you for your reply....
                          You mean that I can put this RECOM inside the wall box...behind the switch board.

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                          • J jemish

                            @Yveaux thank you for your reply....
                            You mean that I can put this RECOM inside the wall box...behind the switch board.

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                            @jemish yes

                            http://yveaux.blogspot.nl

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                            • YveauxY Yveaux

                              @jemish yes

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                              @Yveaux where may I can buy it?

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                              • J jemish

                                @Yveaux where may I can buy it?

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                                @jemish Depends on where you live. I bought mine from Conrad, and I know Farnell and Mouser also sell it.
                                Just google for some local suppliers.

                                http://yveaux.blogspot.nl

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                                • petewillP petewill

                                  Does anyone know of any 120V AC to 5V DC transformers that are safe to put in a wall electrical box? I have been using old cell phone chargers for most of my projects but I was recently pondering putting something right in the wall. Since shipping can take so long I thought I'd ask now before I even start on the project.

                                  I did some searching and couldn't find anything so I thought I'd ask the experts here.

                                  Thanks in advance!

                                  EDIT 9/7/2016
                                  Watch out for Fakes! Read more here: https://forum.mysensors.org/topic/1607/safe-in-wall-ac-to-dc-transformers/355
                                  If in doubt you can get them directly from the vendor here: http://www.hlktech.net/product.php?CateId=10

                                  EDIT 12/28/2015
                                  After MUCH discussion on this here are the findings of this thread (as of now):

                                  Here is the diagram for how things should be wired:
                                  HLK-PM01-Wiring.jpg

                                  These are the parts I ordered. I haven't tested any of these parts yet as this project has been put on the back burner for now :(. I am in the USA so this is spec'd for 120 VAC. If you're using 240 you will need to change the size of the Varistor but everything else should be fine for 240.

                                  Also, see these posts for more discussion/ideas if interested:
                                  http://forum.mysensors.org/topic/1540/110v-230v-ac-to-mysensors-pcb-board
                                  http://forum.mysensors.org/topic/2488/in-wall-pcb

                                  Varistor for 120VAC - http://www.ebay.com/itm/321024816822?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

                                  73°C Thermal Fuse - http://www.ebay.com/itm/221560426284?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&var=520415979885&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

                                  250V 300mA Slow Blow Fuse - http://www.ebay.com/itm/111433875797?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&var=410420838583&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

                                  HLK-PM01 - http://www.ebay.com/itm/351418782712?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

                                  Pete

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                                  Moshe Livne
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                                  @petewill @didi found a cheaper source:
                                  http://www.tme.eu/en/details/gs05e-usb/mains-power-supplies/mean-well/
                                  shipping to the US 9.90. still ridiculously expensive but not as bad as mouser

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                                    @Moshe Livne: interesting. I didn't know that tme has it. They have nice enclosure too, like those for wall ac adapter http://www.tme.eu/en/katalog/enclosures_100431/#id_category=100628&s_field=artykul&s_order=ASC&page=1
                                    I live in EU. And for shipping I think they are good, regarding Rs, farnell, and mouser too. But not the same catalog unfortunately.

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                                      @Moshe Livne: interesting. I didn't know that tme has it. They have nice enclosure too, like those for wall ac adapter http://www.tme.eu/en/katalog/enclosures_100431/#id_category=100628&s_field=artykul&s_order=ASC&page=1
                                      I live in EU. And for shipping I think they are good, regarding Rs, farnell, and mouser too. But not the same catalog unfortunately.

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                                      @scalz these are new i think and beibg propagated to shops. Every time I search i get more....

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                                        Powersupplies arrived :smiley:

                                        DSC_0079.jpg

                                        if (knowledge == 0) { use BRAIN; use GOOGLE;use SEARCH; } else {make POST;}

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                                        • DidiD Didi

                                          Powersupplies arrived :smiley:

                                          DSC_0079.jpg

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                                          @Didi sharpening your knives and putting the plier in the fire?

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