Which are the *best* NRF24L01+ modules?
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Good morning together, iam very new in mysensors forum, so this is my first post, and i have a question: a want to buy these NRF's can somebody tell me if they are okay?
https://www.amazon.de/Kuman-nRF24L01-Wireless-Transceiver-Compatible/dp/B01BVAAASY/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1464158231&sr=8-1-fkmr0&keywords=nordic+nrf24l01+10pcsThank you!
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Good morning together, iam very new in mysensors forum, so this is my first post, and i have a question: a want to buy these NRF's can somebody tell me if they are okay?
https://www.amazon.de/Kuman-nRF24L01-Wireless-Transceiver-Compatible/dp/B01BVAAASY/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1464158231&sr=8-1-fkmr0&keywords=nordic+nrf24l01+10pcsThank you!
@HarrySteff There is no way (that I know of) to determine in advance if the modules work according to specification. Even different lots from the same supplier can vary in performance. I have a 5 out of 6 succes rate with different suppliers.
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Thank you @AWI i will Order them to Test...
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I have had an excellent experience with the SMD version. I cannot say if there are different versions of it, but all transceivers I purchased from different suppliers work flawlessly.
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@alexsh1 Do you have any links for the SMD versions that you can recommend, i'm wanting to try these now. Thanks.
@Samuel235 these were the ones I ordered last time. Tested all of them and very much pleased
Look what I found on AliExpress
http://s.aliexpress.com/ZfArmaqe -
I have had an excellent experience with the SMD version. I cannot say if there are different versions of it, but all transceivers I purchased from different suppliers work flawlessly.
@alexsh1
At which settings do you use them?
I have those http://www.aliexpress.com/item/10PCS-LOT-NRF24L01-wireless-data-transmission-module-2-4G-the-NRF24L01-upgrade-version/1593276910.html
And not so happy as they seem to loose connection from time to time over distance of 4-5m
I set them at 250 and have good power & caps attachedAt least the chip seems to be original but not soldered very well
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@alexsh1
At which settings do you use them?
I have those http://www.aliexpress.com/item/10PCS-LOT-NRF24L01-wireless-data-transmission-module-2-4G-the-NRF24L01-upgrade-version/1593276910.html
And not so happy as they seem to loose connection from time to time over distance of 4-5m
I set them at 250 and have good power & caps attachedAt least the chip seems to be original but not soldered very well
@parachutesj I'll be honest with you - so far I had more luck with the SMD version which works 20m+ across a few walls than with a regular transceivers. Sometimes one needs to invite a shaman to make sure that nrf24l01+ works.
I have 250kb rate on all nodes + caps. All works fine. With some regular nrf24l01+ I had issues with some batches and claimed money back successfully after ditching the whole batch. Luckily, this bad batch has not been working at all rather than working intermittently.
Just a suggestion - did you change any settings on your gateway nrf24l01+? I'm using the amplified version by the way feeding it through AMS1117 LDO
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@parachutesj I'll be honest with you - so far I had more luck with the SMD version which works 20m+ across a few walls than with a regular transceivers. Sometimes one needs to invite a shaman to make sure that nrf24l01+ works.
I have 250kb rate on all nodes + caps. All works fine. With some regular nrf24l01+ I had issues with some batches and claimed money back successfully after ditching the whole batch. Luckily, this bad batch has not been working at all rather than working intermittently.
Just a suggestion - did you change any settings on your gateway nrf24l01+? I'm using the amplified version by the way feeding it through AMS1117 LDO
@alexsh1 said:
I switched to ampliefied nrf24 with antenna from the link in the shop but this seemed to make it even worse. It was powered externally and tried to shield it with no real luck. I ordered some shielded ones from ICstation which are still in customs process and hope to get them by the weekend. I also ordered a bunch of others and I will try which are the best for my operations.
Just today I hade the closest node getting stuck. I wasn't able to send any from controller to the node. After triggering a signal from the node (it is a rollershutter) it came back to live and was able to send via controller again. Quite annoying...
Maybe I need to try some different caps and voltage regulators, actually got "good" ones from my local electronics shop. -
Do the amplified modules simply always function at full amplification, or is there a code change that's needed to adjust the Tx power? Towards the start of this thread I tried some amplified modules from ICStation, but I was hugely disappointed with them. In fact, I don't think I saw any improvement at all, which greatly contradicted the experience that some others appeared to be getting. At least at that time, though, there was no real guidance on how to use them effectively, and so maybe I wasn't driving them right. Maybe there's more information now.
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@alexsh1 said:
I switched to ampliefied nrf24 with antenna from the link in the shop but this seemed to make it even worse. It was powered externally and tried to shield it with no real luck. I ordered some shielded ones from ICstation which are still in customs process and hope to get them by the weekend. I also ordered a bunch of others and I will try which are the best for my operations.
Just today I hade the closest node getting stuck. I wasn't able to send any from controller to the node. After triggering a signal from the node (it is a rollershutter) it came back to live and was able to send via controller again. Quite annoying...
Maybe I need to try some different caps and voltage regulators, actually got "good" ones from my local electronics shop. -
Do the amplified modules simply always function at full amplification, or is there a code change that's needed to adjust the Tx power? Towards the start of this thread I tried some amplified modules from ICStation, but I was hugely disappointed with them. In fact, I don't think I saw any improvement at all, which greatly contradicted the experience that some others appeared to be getting. At least at that time, though, there was no real guidance on how to use them effectively, and so maybe I wasn't driving them right. Maybe there's more information now.
@NeverDie In MyConfig.h there are settings:
#define RF24_PA_LEVEL RF24_PA_MAX #define RF24_PA_LEVEL_GW RF24_PA_LOWThe second one is for the amplified version (RF24_PA_MAX can used)
Please check out this:
https://forum.mysensors.org/topic/653/nrf24l01-pa -
@parachutesj What settings do you have on your gateway please?
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@alexsh1 I have this
#define RF24_PA_LEVEL_GW RF24_PA_MAXon the GW
Maybe I need to try RF24_PA_HIGH if it changes anything. However still waiting for the "good" radios to arrive@parachutesj First things first:
- Good transceiver
- decent 3.3V feed
- settings MAX or HIGH etc
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All of my ~20 NRF24's from 5 different dealers are consuming 15mA when the node is in sleep mode. Is this really a radio problem, or a software problem?
By pulling out the radio, current drops below 1mA.
- 2.0.0beta binarySwitchSleep sketch
- My-Slim-2AA-Battery-Node
- bootloader from My-Slim-2AA-Battery-Node OpenHardware source
- BOD disabled by fuses, 1MHz internal
- current messuered with Fluke multimeter
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All of my ~20 NRF24's from 5 different dealers are consuming 15mA when the node is in sleep mode. Is this really a radio problem, or a software problem?
By pulling out the radio, current drops below 1mA.
- 2.0.0beta binarySwitchSleep sketch
- My-Slim-2AA-Battery-Node
- bootloader from My-Slim-2AA-Battery-Node OpenHardware source
- BOD disabled by fuses, 1MHz internal
- current messuered with Fluke multimeter
@rollercontainer
Have you tried to measure the power consumption whithout radio, and just putting the atmega328 in deep sleep (sleep(0)) ?
Normally you should then see something less then 10 micro amperes.
If the node still consumes around 1mA in this situation, then I would advise to look at the soldering and the other components.
With BOD disabled, an atmega328p in deep sleep consumes around 1 micro Ampere,.
Did you use the atmea328P version or the standard atmega328 (without the P) ? -
@rollercontainer
Have you tried to measure the power consumption whithout radio, and just putting the atmega328 in deep sleep (sleep(0)) ?
Normally you should then see something less then 10 micro amperes.
If the node still consumes around 1mA in this situation, then I would advise to look at the soldering and the other components.
With BOD disabled, an atmega328p in deep sleep consumes around 1 micro Ampere,.
Did you use the atmea328P version or the standard atmega328 (without the P) ?@GertSanders I wrote "below 1mA" because I couln't recal the exact value, just for pointing to the relation between radio consumption and idle without radio.
I've got 328P from Reichelt.de and messured again withoput mysensors.h and with SLEEP_MODE_PWR_DOWN. The multimeter reads 0,09mA at 60.00mA range set. Looks valid to me.
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@GertSanders I wrote "below 1mA" because I couln't recal the exact value, just for pointing to the relation between radio consumption and idle without radio.
I've got 328P from Reichelt.de and messured again withoput mysensors.h and with SLEEP_MODE_PWR_DOWN. The multimeter reads 0,09mA at 60.00mA range set. Looks valid to me.
@rollercontainer
If you are using the internal pull up resistors on the switch input pins, then indeed you will get something like 30-60mA.
That is why we use external pull up resistors for switches when we want to go for lowest possible power consumption.The internal pul up resistors have a value around 30K-45K (there is some variation). The pull up resistors I use are 1MOhm, this cuts the current consumption by two factors.
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@rollercontainer : you cannot get a proper measurement using only just a multimeter. Fluke or no Fluke, it just isn't going to happen. Lookup "burden voltage." Enough said, as this has been covered in-depth all over the place.
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You both missed the point. My problem isnt the idle consumption yet. My problem is, that all the radios consume too much. Is there a way to get it down, or do I have to dump them all?
