Multisensor node using Ceech board

[joaoabs]

Hi,

It works great! Thanks!
Did you tune the potentiometers, or left as they were?

I'm using 2x 6v, 100mA solar panels in parallel and one 5000mAh Li-ion battery.

EDIT:
Now in a sunny day, it seems something is missing (probably some tuning in the potentiometers). Somehow the battery is not charging:

Batt: 3.73V ; 1.30mA 
Solar: 6.64V ; 0.00 mA; charge: No
BattPct: 33% 
send: 19-19-0-0 s=10,c=1,t=38,pt=7,l=5,st=ok:3.732
send: 19-19-0-0 s=10,c=1,t=39,pt=7,l=5,st=ok:1.298047
send: 19-19-0-0 s=11,c=1,t=38,pt=7,l=5,st=ok:6.640
send: 19-19-0-0 s=11,c=1,t=39,pt=7,l=5,st=ok:0.000000
send: 19-19-0-0 s=255,c=3,t=0,pt=1,l=1,st=ok:33

Any idea/suggestion?

Thanks!
Joao

[MikeF]

@joaoabs Glad you got it working.

No, I didn't tune the pots.

I had similar problems with solar panels: battery didn't seem to be charging. Also, you're getting a high solar voltage (6.64V) on a sunny day, as I did. I was concerned, as the absolute max Vin for the LTC4067 - from the datasheet, if I remember correctly - is 6.2V.

I gave up using solar cells, and I'll just charge the battery from a USB charger when I need to.

[joaoabs]

Thanks for the feedback.

I think the key here is in the potentiomenters, so I looked around for some guidance:

The two trimmer potentiometers are used to determine the current for both the input side - to better match the internal resistance of the solar cell - and for the battery charge current. At shipping they are both set to around half the value ( 2.5kOhm), which set both currents to about 75mA.

I don't know how to measure the internal resistance of the solar cell (shouldn't be as simple as measuring it with a ohmmeter, right?), but I'm assuming that if 75mA is half the value, the maximum should be 150mA. Since my panels in parallel can supply (theoretically) up to 200mA, I'll rotate the potentiomenter to its maximum. Now, wich potentiomenter is it (not identified in the board), and what to tune in the other potentiometer (should be the same mA, what does it depend on)?

@Ceech, Any guidance on how to overcome this not-charging problem?

Thanks,
Joao

[ceech]

@joaoabs Try lowering input voltage. The IC is in overvoltage mode and we don't want to damage it. Next, try with 5V input. See if you get the charge.
The trimmer potentiometers:

The left one is battery charge current limit. Turn it to the left in order to maximize charging current.
And the right one is input current limit. Keep the input current below solar panel maximum current. Turn it left to increase current limit.

This is a formula to calculate input current: Ilim = 200V/Rclprog , where Rclprog stands for trimmer resistance.
And this is how you calculate charging current: Ich = 1000V/Rprog, where Rprog stands for trimmer resistance. It is also limited with input current.

[MikeF]

@ceech I'm using a more recent version of this board, with an LTC4079 charger (instead of the LTC4067).

Which Arduino pin is the ~CHRG signal brought out on? A2 appears to be Vin (solar cell), whereas if I do analogRead(A7) I get a value around 500 (regardless of whether Vin is connected or not)?

[ceech]

~CHRG is at ADC A7. It pulls low when the battery is getting charged. It's not always zero, sometimes is stuck around 10 or below. It works in conjunction with ADC A6, which is a battery current pin. Do you get any reports here?

[MikeF]

@ceech I've connected a 5V USB supply to the solar cell input, and I'm running your example sketch from your eBay web page for this board. I'm seeing a battery voltage of 3.59V (Li-ion), and charge current (monitoring A6) of 0.00mA - suggesting the battery isn't charging? As said before, A7 is showing values around 479.

Vcc = 3.30V
Charge current = 0.00mA
Solar cell voltage = 4.98V
Battery voltage = 3.59V
CHRG = 479

[ceech]

Ah, yes. I think i know what the problem is. The LTC4079 has a built-in MPPT power tracking for solar panels and won't charge if the input voltage is below set point. This helps optimizing power extraction from solar panels. If you are using 5V input, then you should adjust the trimmer pot on the board. Like this

Turn the top round part of the trimmer to the left so that the wiper reaches 5V mark like on the above picture. In other words reduce trimmer resistance to minimum. The other way around is for 18V solar panels.

[MikeF]

@ceech That did it - thanks! :smile:

Currently charging at c. 90mA:

Vcc = 3.30V
Charge current = 89.93mA
Solar cell voltage = 4.95V
Battery voltage = 3.62V
CHRG = 0

[alexsh1]

@ceech I have the same problem with the LTC4079 board:

Running a simplified sketch gives the following:

Vcc = 3.39V
Charge current = 2.26mA
Solar cell voltage = 5.40V
Battery voltage = 4.11V
CHRG = 502


Vcc = 3.42V
Charge current = 0.25mA
Solar cell voltage = 5.41V
Battery voltage = 4.11V
CHRG = 500

Vcc = 3.35V
Charge current = 0.00mA
Solar cell voltage = 5.24V
Battery voltage = 4.11V
CHRG = 498

Vcc = 3.33V
Charge current = 0.00mA
Solar cell voltage = 5.19V
Battery voltage = 4.08V
CHRG = 496

CHRG is never goes to zero or close and the charging current is low or zero. Shall I try to adjust the same potentiometer as above?

[ceech]

If the trimmer is in the same position as when new, then yes. Turn it anti-clockwise to reach its minimum value. Either that or raise the input voltage to 11V.

[alexsh1]

@ceech I cannot supply more than 6V as this is my solar panel maximum voltage.

How many turns or degrees shall turn it?
I did one and a half turn, but it still does not charge the battery. This is the current position.

[ceech]

This is a one turn trimmer. Its minimum value is close to 5V mark on one of the above pictures. And its maximum value is next to 18V mark. Since you've turned it more than once, you have to first determine the current wiper position. If you look closely you can see that the turning top is not quite round. One side is a bit flattened. That is the opposite side of the wiper. Now if you take a look at your picture then I think your wiper position is at around 6 or 7V ( to use the same terminology). I would say 20 more degrees to the left and you'll reach 5V.

You can also measure the trimmer's resistance. Like so

Find the minimum value between marked points. That is your target resistance value.

[alexsh1]

@ceech - many thanks for above.
I think I nailed it finally.
Is the voltage below normal or can that be adjusted somehow?

Vcc = 3.35V
Charge current = 34.22mA
Solar cell voltage = 4.55V
Battery voltage = 3.80V
CHRG = 446


Vcc = 3.39V
Charge current = 31.87mA
Solar cell voltage = 4.72V
Battery voltage = 3.78V
CHRG = 451

When does analogue A7 (CHRG) go down to zero or around zero?

[ceech]

What voltage would you like to adjust?
The current is a bit low. What is your panel's maximum available current?
The charger is not operating at its full power. Either you are a bit high with the setting on the trimmer or the panel can't supply enough. Charging current should be around 90mA.

[alexsh1]

@ceech The solar panal is 6V 4.5W, but right now it is used inside under my table lamp hence a lower voltage (4.7V). I'll to put it in the sun once the weather improves to test it.

EDIT: I have not tested the solar panel before in the sun. Obviously, it provides ~4.8V inside and not sure if it will provide closer to 6v in the sun. I purchased it here http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/281945297221

Can I connect 5.5v power supply to the 'solar cell' contacts from a reliable PSU to test the trimmer settings ?

[alexsh1]

@ceech

Ok, it looks like the trimmer is set to 5.5-6V
I am feeding it from 5.5V PSU instead of the solar panal

Charge current = 92.28mA
Solar cell voltage = 5.54V
Battery voltage = 3.82V
CHRG = 467

[ceech]

Sure use your power supply. No problem. If the solar cell is 6V, than leave the trimmer. I think you got it just right.
And you were getting 30mA INDOORS? That's great. I'm quite pleased with that information.
This means that this sensor board can also be used as Indoors solar harvester.

[alexsh1]

@ceech yes, 30ma indoor, but it is under a direct light. The cut-off voltage is around 4.7V for charging.

[ceech]

@alexsh1 You are at the minimum then. The trimmer was calculated for 4.75V minimum voltage. You might want to raise it a little to get 5.5V-6V MPPT.