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💬 In Wall AC/DC Pcb for MySensors

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  • msamy.earthM Offline
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    msamy.earth
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    #2
    • What are the differences between Rev2 & Rev3?
    • Why do we have Dallas temp. sensor?
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    • sundberg84S Offline
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      sundberg84
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      wrote on last edited by sundberg84
      #3

      Hi!
      Difference is 1) 240v Varistor placement, layout (more space for 240v parts), more space for fuses and bigger holes for 240v components.
      Dallas temp is for testing purpose, placing this inside a wall and it generate heat - i want to know that it is within limits.

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      • P Offline
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        #4

        hey any suggestions for US spec hardware?

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        • sundberg84S Offline
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          sundberg84
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          #5

          Yes! Or i would recommend you to look at petewills posts here: http://forum.mysensors.org/topic/1607/safe-in-wall-ac-to-dc-transformers
          Good luck!

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          • fgallardayF Offline
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            #6

            Hi, just found your project and I believe it is a great job!

            Please, I would like to try your project, but am unable to find alternative Aliexpress providers for the following material (because the provider does not deliver to my country) and cannot find any other provider for the same specs as:

            • 10 x Zinc Oxide Varistor 250VAC 60J 2500A 10mm
              Please, could you provide different providers to choose from or the specs to look for them?
              Thank you very much and keep up the good work!
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            • fgallardayF fgallarday

              Hi, just found your project and I believe it is a great job!

              Please, I would like to try your project, but am unable to find alternative Aliexpress providers for the following material (because the provider does not deliver to my country) and cannot find any other provider for the same specs as:

              • 10 x Zinc Oxide Varistor 250VAC 60J 2500A 10mm
                Please, could you provide different providers to choose from or the specs to look for them?
                Thank you very much and keep up the good work!
              alexsh1A Offline
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              alexsh1
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              #7

              @fgallarday Did you check eBay? I ordered a pack these recently on the eBay

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              • alexsh1A alexsh1

                @fgallarday Did you check eBay? I ordered a pack these recently on the eBay

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                @alexsh1 Thank you @alexsh1 I cheked ebay and Aliexpress but was unable to find other supplier with exactly the same specifications. Please, someone could guide me regarding the alternative specs : "250VAC 60J 2500A 10mm" i have found not 60J but otherss...

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                • sundberg84S Offline
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                  sundberg84
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                  #9

                  Hi @fgallarday
                  Here: http://www.ebay.com/sch/sis.html?_nkw=10+x+Zinc+Oxide+Varistor+250VAC+60J+2500A+10mm&_id=260848704608&&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2658

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                  MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - Gw Shield RFM69, 433mhz
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                  • Sefi NinioS Offline
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                    #10

                    Hello @sunberg84
                    I went over the thread http://forum.mysensors.org/topic/1607/safe-in-wall-ac-to-dc-transformers, and came across your PCB - Great work!
                    Not sure how I can have the PCB made - I'd appreciate any pointers. I have looked in the Design Files section but couldn't make sense of the files.

                    Thanks!

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                    • sundberg84S Offline
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                      wrote on last edited by sundberg84
                      #11

                      Hi @Sefi-Ninio!
                      You find a pcb manufacturer, check which gerber files they need and send them there in a zip/rar. I use Itead and they want these files in a .zip

                      Top layer: pcbname.GTL
                      Bottom layer: pcbname.GBL
                      Solder Stop Mask top: pcbname.GTS
                      Solder Stop Mask Bottom: pcbname.GBS
                      Silk Top: pcbname.GTO
                      Silk Bottom: pcbname.GBO
                      NC Drill: pcbname.TXT
                      Outline layer: pcbname.DO

                      The files can be found if you download the project from openhardware.io.

                      But a small note - i am redesigning it some at the moment because the AC traces are to close to each other. This can make the board unsafe if its placed in a dirty or high humidity enviroment. I will update the files this week. Also note this is a test project - im no electrical engineer and learning as the project evolves - i cant garantee its safe.

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                      • Sefi NinioS Offline
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                        Sefi Ninio
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                        #12

                        Hi @sundberg84, really appreciate the quick reply!
                        Thanks for the explanation - I'll check Itead out.
                        Regarding the safety - I completely understand, but after reading all the 360+ posts in the thread, I gained confidence both in the HLK-PM01 as well as the general circuitry when using the fuses and varistor. I'm not electrical engineer as well, and learning as I go/read.

                        Thanks again for the contribution, waiting for the 4th rev. ! :)

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                        • sundberg84S Offline
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                          #13

                          Great, I will try to release it tonight or tomorrow :)

                          Yea, i have a great confidence in the HLK as well, its my PCB and the AC traces i have learned more about and need to update.

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                            vil1driver
                            wrote on last edited by vil1driver
                            #14

                            Hi,

                            thanks for your great work..
                            great to have chosed a pwm output for the relay (ssr can be used as a dimmer)
                            but is it possible to add a fuse on the ssr output too ?

                            thanks

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                              sundberg84
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                              wrote on last edited by
                              #15

                              Hi @vil1driver!
                              This pcb does not contain any relay.

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                                vil1driver
                                wrote on last edited by vil1driver
                                #16

                                roh sry :D bad thread lol, i was think it was the http://forum.mysensors.org/topic/1540/110v-230v-ac-to-mysensors-pcb-board/72

                                too much windows opened =)

                                I can delete it if needed

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                                • sundberg84S Offline
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                                  sundberg84
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                                  wrote on last edited by sundberg84
                                  #17

                                  Ok - updated to 3.1. Its mainly changes on the AC side to decrease risk of creepage and increase clearance.
                                  See changes.txt for more detailed info.

                                  0_1456425315975_Rev31.JPG

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                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #18

                                    Playtime...

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                                      #19

                                      Sweeet!!!!

                                      Say @sundberg84, have you considered also adding one or two relays to the mix?
                                      I know it'll probably increase it's size footprint but in terms for height, if you position them next to the HLK unit then there shouldn't be a noticeable height increase. SSRs are very small.

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                                        I have and might in the future... at the moment I'm focusing on safety, test and size. Rev 4 is ordered today with smd components. Let's see how that evolves first.

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                                          #21

                                          Hi @sundberg84,
                                          I was talking with a friend of mine who has pcb design experience about your board, and he told me to tell you that it would be better to add creapage protection between the 220v and the 5v sections, by bigger distance at also a longated gap. He told me the term, but I can't remember it now...

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