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AC light dimmer with 2x TRIAC

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    jacikaas
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    #13

    Hey,

    @ahmedadelhosni
    Thanks for long post ;)

    Safety is in first place. This circuit should be safer with snubber circuit, inductor and varistor. I miss something? DIAC is same purpose like varistor?

    I look at few already made products in China. Im not realy sure about whats that in pictures, is that inductor or antenna for rf module :)

    First smart switch from China:
    0_1456680598953_upload-d7de8b51-9fa6-491b-8890-ba237374a0a7

    Second smart switch from China:
    0_1456681086581_upload-5f889d7a-2e39-488b-8099-0d7059df050c

    Even more cheaper: Cheap smart switch

    But theese switches are with relays.

    @rvendrame
    I was trying to change around dimtime constant values - and with no any good luck.

    Today I move last modified code to Arduino Mini Pro and test it. When I test it - there was no flickering at all. Only there is same problem with:
    When I turn it on, bulb also graceful goes to 100%, but when max power had been reached - power instantly goes to 0% and in Domoticz status leaves as ON.
    But if I use slipper to set 100% - dim level leaves and light bulb is shining as 100%.

    I will check it and try to figure out why this is happening. :)))

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    • J jacikaas

      Hey,

      @ahmedadelhosni
      Thanks for long post ;)

      Safety is in first place. This circuit should be safer with snubber circuit, inductor and varistor. I miss something? DIAC is same purpose like varistor?

      I look at few already made products in China. Im not realy sure about whats that in pictures, is that inductor or antenna for rf module :)

      First smart switch from China:
      0_1456680598953_upload-d7de8b51-9fa6-491b-8890-ba237374a0a7

      Second smart switch from China:
      0_1456681086581_upload-5f889d7a-2e39-488b-8099-0d7059df050c

      Even more cheaper: Cheap smart switch

      But theese switches are with relays.

      @rvendrame
      I was trying to change around dimtime constant values - and with no any good luck.

      Today I move last modified code to Arduino Mini Pro and test it. When I test it - there was no flickering at all. Only there is same problem with:
      When I turn it on, bulb also graceful goes to 100%, but when max power had been reached - power instantly goes to 0% and in Domoticz status leaves as ON.
      But if I use slipper to set 100% - dim level leaves and light bulb is shining as 100%.

      I will check it and try to figure out why this is happening. :)))

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      rvendrame
      Hero Member
      wrote on last edited by
      #14

      @jacikaas said:

      When I turn it on, bulb also graceful goes to 100%, but when max power had been reached - power instantly goes to 0% and in Domoticz status leaves as ON.
      But if I use slipper to set 100% - dim level leaves and light bulb is shining as 100%.

      I saw you still using 'static int' instead 'volatile int' for currentLevel . Did you try 'volatile int' ?

      Apart from that, I don't see any other reason for that. Perhaps something into controller side (domoticz)? I use Vera Lite with similar arduino circuit as yours, and I never had this behavior in my setup.

      Home Assistant / Vera Plus UI7
      ESP8266 GW + mySensors 2.3.2
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        Zeph
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        #15

        If I understand, sometimes when you think you should be seeing 100%, the light is actually off?

        You are counting on the triac to latch and hold until the next Zero Crossing. However a triac needs a certain level of current in order to latch. If you try to trigger it too early in the AC cycle (while the AC voltage is still close to zero, just starting to rise), the load may not provide enough current to latch the triac. This is especially true with some kinds of loads. For example, LED Xmas lisghts don't conduct until the AC instantaneous voltage rises above the combined Vfwd of 25-50 series LEDs.

        One way to test this hypothesis is to lengthen the pulse. Or you could adjust your timing multiplier.

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          jemish
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          #16

          Can we control AC fan using this module???

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            Oitzu
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            #17

            @jemish which module do you mean exactly?
            The schematic in the first post is not suitable for inductive loads.

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            • OitzuO Oitzu

              @jemish which module do you mean exactly?
              The schematic in the first post is not suitable for inductive loads.

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              jemish
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              @Oitzu okk my friend, thank you so much.

              But is there any design available for controlling inductive load???

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                Oitzu
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                @jemish maybe have a look at following blog-post: http://www.homemade-circuits.com/2012/04/how-to-use-triacs-for-inductive-loads.html
                With this information you should be able to "improve" above schematic to be also able to handle inductive loads.

                If you have no clue about all that... maybe have a look at this module:
                https://www.kemo-electronic.de/en/Light-Sound/Effects/Modules/M028-Power-control-110-240-V-AC-2600-VA.php
                It can control AC Motors,
                in combination with this module:
                https://www.kemo-electronic.de/en/Transformer-Dimmer/Converter/M150-DC-pulse-converter.php
                You can connect it safely to the arduino.

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                • OitzuO Oitzu

                  @jemish maybe have a look at following blog-post: http://www.homemade-circuits.com/2012/04/how-to-use-triacs-for-inductive-loads.html
                  With this information you should be able to "improve" above schematic to be also able to handle inductive loads.

                  If you have no clue about all that... maybe have a look at this module:
                  https://www.kemo-electronic.de/en/Light-Sound/Effects/Modules/M028-Power-control-110-240-V-AC-2600-VA.php
                  It can control AC Motors,
                  in combination with this module:
                  https://www.kemo-electronic.de/en/Transformer-Dimmer/Converter/M150-DC-pulse-converter.php
                  You can connect it safely to the arduino.

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                  ahmedadelhosni
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                  @Oitzu i cant find the price of them on the site. Are they listed ?

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                    Oitzu
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                    @ahmedadelhosni
                    http://www.ebay.com/itm/KEMO-M028-Power-control-110-240-V-AC-2600-VA-Made-in-Germany-/251096815198
                    as example..they are relativ expensive.. see it more as an example. :)

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                    • OitzuO Oitzu

                      @ahmedadelhosni
                      http://www.ebay.com/itm/KEMO-M028-Power-control-110-240-V-AC-2600-VA-Made-in-Germany-/251096815198
                      as example..they are relativ expensive.. see it more as an example. :)

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                      ahmedadelhosni
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                      @Oitzu assume that I didn't ask you :) :)

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                        @jacikaas did you solve the issued? any luck i also have same problem event now i migrated to mysensors v 2.

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