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    dertho
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    #139

    Hi,

    is there any known problem / bug with version 2.1.* and the Dallas temp sensor? (I found non in the bug tracker and/or forum)

    I updated several nodes from 1.5 to 2.1.1 and now no temp sensor is working. No temp sensor DS18B20 is found by the node, therefore -127.0 is returned to the controller. I checked the wiring - as illustrated in this manual, everything seems right; incl. the pull-up with 4,7 k. I use the modified version of the Dallas-Library included in the examples package, as stated out in this manual.

    Thanks,
    Thomas

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    • Mohammed ZamanM Offline
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      Mohammed Zaman
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      #140

      I am not a programmer, but trying to learn by making small projects.
      I am trying to build a arduino/ESP8266 with temp sensor so that at a particular set temp it sends a single to another arduino/ESP8266 with relay to turn on a cooler/heater. if there is a thread on this, please help me find it.

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      • Mohammed ZamanM Mohammed Zaman

        I am not a programmer, but trying to learn by making small projects.
        I am trying to build a arduino/ESP8266 with temp sensor so that at a particular set temp it sends a single to another arduino/ESP8266 with relay to turn on a cooler/heater. if there is a thread on this, please help me find it.

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        rejoe2
        wrote on last edited by
        #141

        @Mohammed-Zaman This seems to be possible, you may find more info wrt your topic using "node to node communication" as a keyword for searching the forum.
        This might be a good starting point: https://forum.mysensors.org/topic/6386/almost-controller-less-mysensors-switch-light-network/8#

        Controller: FHEM; MySensors: 2.3.1, RS485,nRF24,RFM69, serial Gateways

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        • gohanG Offline
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          gohan
          Mod
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          #142

          https://forum.mysensors.org/topic/7810/alternative-passive-mode if you don't want to use a gateway.

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          • mrwombleM mrwomble

            Hi there, I'm new to Mysensors and I thought I'd start with a simple DS Temp sensor. However, I'm getting compile errors when I try compile it. Can someone please point me in the right direction?

            Arduino: 1.6.11 (Windows 7), Board: "Arduino Nano, ATmega328"
            
            WARNING: Category 'Sensor' in library DallasTemperature is not valid. Setting to 'Uncategorized'
            In file included from C:\Users\Admin\Documents\Arduino\Projects\MS Temp sensor node\DallasTemperatureSensor\DallasTemperatureSensor.ino:37:0:
            
            C:\Users\Admin\Documents\Arduino\libraries\DallasTemperature/DallasTemperature.h: In function 'void loop()':
            
            C:\Users\Admin\Documents\Arduino\libraries\DallasTemperature/DallasTemperature.h:249:13: error: 'int16_t DallasTemperature::millisToWaitForConversion(uint8_t)' is private
            
                 int16_t millisToWaitForConversion(uint8_t);
            
                         ^
            
            DallasTemperatureSensor:85: error: within this context
            
               int16_t conversionTime = sensors.millisToWaitForConversion(sensors.getResolution());
            
                                                                                                 ^
            
            Multiple libraries were found for "DallasTemperature.h"
             Used: C:\Users\Admin\Documents\Arduino\libraries\DallasTemperature
             Not used: C:\Users\Admin\Documents\Arduino\libraries\Arduino-Temperature-Control-Library-master
            exit status 1
            within this context
            
            This report would have more information with
            "Show verbose output during compilation"
            option enabled in File -> Preferences.
            
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            sjoerd14
            wrote on last edited by sjoerd14
            #143

            regarding error:

            C:\Users\Admin\Documents\Arduino\libraries\DallasTemperature/DallasTemperature.h:249:13: error: 'int16_t DallasTemperature::millisToWaitForConversion(uint8_t)' is private

            In the latest version of Miles Burton's the function is public and compiling fine.
            https://github.com/milesburton/Arduino-Temperature-Control-Library

            You can import the Lib as zip.
            You have to remove \ archive the lib: ...\libraries\DallasTemperature

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            • S sjoerd14

              regarding error:

              C:\Users\Admin\Documents\Arduino\libraries\DallasTemperature/DallasTemperature.h:249:13: error: 'int16_t DallasTemperature::millisToWaitForConversion(uint8_t)' is private

              In the latest version of Miles Burton's the function is public and compiling fine.
              https://github.com/milesburton/Arduino-Temperature-Control-Library

              You can import the Lib as zip.
              You have to remove \ archive the lib: ...\libraries\DallasTemperature

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              Mod
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              #144

              @sjoerd14 yes, thanks to MySensors user David Ducatel. The change is tracked in https://github.com/mysensors/MySensorsArduinoExamples/issues/20 and https://github.com/milesburton/Arduino-Temperature-Control-Library/pull/72 but we're still waiting for an official release of milesburton's library.

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                nofox
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                #145

                Hi, I have few in wall nodes mounted under the light switches. I have two relays and one DS18B20 in each node. When i'm turning light on, switching the relay, the DS18B20 readings jumping about 0.8 degrees celsius up. When I switch off the relay readings back to normal. Anyone have similar problems ? Sensors are away from from node board, relays etc. so it's not about the heat from atmega or relays.

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                  gohan
                  Mod
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #146

                  Is the temperature gradually rising after the relay is activated or it is instantly jumping 0.8°?

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                    nofox
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                    #147

                    Jumping 0.8 immediately after switching the relay and sometimes rising very slow during the time when relay is on.

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                      gohan
                      Mod
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                      #148

                      That makes it quite difficult to figure out the problem. Can you make another node with same setup and see if you get the same results and if you do try unplug the relay and see what happens

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                        skywatch
                        wrote on last edited by skywatch
                        #149

                        It's probably a voltage drop from the psu when the relay is engaged and drawing current. That will cause the output voltage to dip slightly.

                        If it is only momentary you can add a beefy capacitor across the power supply, but if the readings change for the whole time the relay is on, you really need to replace the relay with something that uses less power (triac/mosfet??) - Or get a more stable power supply with good regulation.

                        A final thing might be more noise on the power line with the psu sending more current with the relay on. again a smoothing capacitor would help if this were the case.

                        You could also try looking into the wiring and see if the relay cables and the ds18b20 cables are far enough apart, some induction might be going on there between the cables. Also, make sure everything goes back to a single ground point. I can't imagine how an earth loop would cause what you describe, but it's always a good thing to do.....

                        Another thought to think about is matbe the magnetic field from the relap power cables are inducing into the sensor cables.

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                          ben999
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                          #150

                          Hi
                          Can we talk about redundancy please? What if one or more sensor fail on a one-wire bus? Would it make the whole line unusable?
                          As part of a central heating MySensorization i would like to have groups of 3 sensors and have some sort of redundancy check.
                          Would i be allowed to run multiple one-wire busses on a single arduino?
                          Thanks a lot foryour help

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                          • ben999B ben999

                            Hi
                            Can we talk about redundancy please? What if one or more sensor fail on a one-wire bus? Would it make the whole line unusable?
                            As part of a central heating MySensorization i would like to have groups of 3 sensors and have some sort of redundancy check.
                            Would i be allowed to run multiple one-wire busses on a single arduino?
                            Thanks a lot foryour help

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                            mfalkvidd
                            Mod
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #151

                            @ben999 you can have as many onewire buses as you have digital pins. Just add more of these:

                            #define ONE_WIRE_BUS 3 // Pin where dallase sensor is connected 
                            OneWire oneWire(ONE_WIRE_BUS);
                            
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                            • mfalkviddM mfalkvidd

                              @ben999 you can have as many onewire buses as you have digital pins. Just add more of these:

                              #define ONE_WIRE_BUS 3 // Pin where dallase sensor is connected 
                              OneWire oneWire(ONE_WIRE_BUS);
                              
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                              ben999
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #152

                              @mfalkvidd thanks a lot. Yes, that looks good to me. I will have a go.

                              The real big question now is about what happens when one or more sensor fails on the line.
                              I am not talking about removing a sensor, which doesn't produce any fault.
                              My concern is how does a DS18 ends its life under normal operation? Complete shortcut?

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                              • ben999B ben999

                                @mfalkvidd thanks a lot. Yes, that looks good to me. I will have a go.

                                The real big question now is about what happens when one or more sensor fails on the line.
                                I am not talking about removing a sensor, which doesn't produce any fault.
                                My concern is how does a DS18 ends its life under normal operation? Complete shortcut?

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                                mfalkvidd
                                Mod
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                                #153

                                @ben999 I don't think there are any guarantees on how it will fail. If there are, the datasheet should list them.

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                                • ben999B ben999

                                  @mfalkvidd thanks a lot. Yes, that looks good to me. I will have a go.

                                  The real big question now is about what happens when one or more sensor fails on the line.
                                  I am not talking about removing a sensor, which doesn't produce any fault.
                                  My concern is how does a DS18 ends its life under normal operation? Complete shortcut?

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                                  zboblamont
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                                  #154

                                  @ben999 I cannot remember WHERE I read it, but if a DS18B20 fails it will either send impossible results when addressed or fail to be addressed at all as it is digitally addressed. Only cable short circuits can pull the entire chain down, as I found out when two socket pins had crossed over (sensor crimped into telephone plugs).

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                                  • mfalkviddM mfalkvidd

                                    @ben999 I don't think there are any guarantees on how it will fail. If there are, the datasheet should list them.

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                                    ben999
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                                    #155

                                    @mfalkvidd thank you for the idea. Had a look (boooooring reading for me :D ) but no mention to failiure

                                    @zboblamont you're right. Seems that a faulty sensor return "85" (top of my head). And a "dead" sensor looses its bus address (next sensor on the chain takes its address and so on)

                                    Thanks a lot gentlemen :)

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                                    • ben999B ben999

                                      @mfalkvidd thank you for the idea. Had a look (boooooring reading for me :D ) but no mention to failiure

                                      @zboblamont you're right. Seems that a faulty sensor return "85" (top of my head). And a "dead" sensor looses its bus address (next sensor on the chain takes its address and so on)

                                      Thanks a lot gentlemen :)

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                                      rejoe2
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #156

                                      @ben999 said in 💬 Temperature Sensor:

                                      And a "dead" sensor looses its bus address (next sensor on the chain takes its address and so on)

                                      That's not exactly right. Each of the 1-wire devices uses a hardcoded, unique address that can not be changed.
                                      So if you use the standard sketch with multiple DS18B20, in case of detached or replaced sensors you may get reported the measured temperatures comming from the same physical DS18B20 device under a different ChildID (after node reboot). To avoid effects like that, one has to take additional measures as described here . In short:

                                      • Use an array with the physical ID's to address them
                                      • Store a hash-array (done automatically) to identify "known" physical ID's that have once been attached to the bus as well as the ChildID used for MySensors.

                                      Controller: FHEM; MySensors: 2.3.1, RS485,nRF24,RFM69, serial Gateways

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                                      • rejoe2R rejoe2

                                        @ben999 said in 💬 Temperature Sensor:

                                        And a "dead" sensor looses its bus address (next sensor on the chain takes its address and so on)

                                        That's not exactly right. Each of the 1-wire devices uses a hardcoded, unique address that can not be changed.
                                        So if you use the standard sketch with multiple DS18B20, in case of detached or replaced sensors you may get reported the measured temperatures comming from the same physical DS18B20 device under a different ChildID (after node reboot). To avoid effects like that, one has to take additional measures as described here . In short:

                                        • Use an array with the physical ID's to address them
                                        • Store a hash-array (done automatically) to identify "known" physical ID's that have once been attached to the bus as well as the ChildID used for MySensors.
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                                        ben999
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                                        #157

                                        @rejoe2 oooooooooh great! thanks a lot, exactly what i was looking for !!!

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                                        • ben999B ben999

                                          @rejoe2 oooooooooh great! thanks a lot, exactly what i was looking for !!!

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                                          rejoe2
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                                          #158

                                          @ben999 You are welcome :grinning:

                                          Controller: FHEM; MySensors: 2.3.1, RS485,nRF24,RFM69, serial Gateways

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