domoticz auto add device (mysensors) even if disable "Accept new Hardware Devices"
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@mfalkvidd
Signing is indeed the solution for a door lock.I am changing all my NRF24L01 to RFM69 with AES (Hardware) support at the moment. This is enough for most of my use cases and nobody can see, what is going on inside my house. (Which would be easy with signing only.)
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in domoticz , i use a raspberry pi controller and use a windows controller , both.
i use a serial gateway for raspberry pi and a serial gateway for domoticz windows .
i disable " Accept new Hardware Devices" for both.
i turn off one of two(for example domoticz windows) and i add mysensors device to domoticz raspberry pi . then turn on domoticz windows . Suddenly i see domoticz windows detect all device that added on raspberry pi (in domoticz windows!!!!!!!! so if i unplug power sensor and plug in again or reset sensor ! that sensor will add to windows domoticz.
so this is very bad , if i use a domoticz controller and my Neighbor use a domoticz controller too , so he can control my devices and i can control her devices !!!
are there any solution for this problem?@Reza said:
Suddenly i see domoticz windows detect all device
Domoticz will add all incoming connections until you disable "Accept new Hardware Devices" in the settings menu.
Then you need to use the inclusion mode. "Accept new hardware for 5 min" -
@Reza said:
Suddenly i see domoticz windows detect all device
Domoticz will add all incoming connections until you disable "Accept new Hardware Devices" in the settings menu.
Then you need to use the inclusion mode. "Accept new hardware for 5 min" -
@sundberg84 said:
Accept new Hardware Devices
so this is a bug in domoticz ! is this right?
because when i disable "Accept new Hardware Devices" , domoticz should not add any devices!!!@Reza - Uf you disable this tickbox and save, yes - Domoticz should not add any new hardware in "devices" tab.
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@FotoFieber
signing with rfm69 is more easy ?@Reza said:
@FotoFieber
signing with rfm69 is more easy ?No, but encryption is easy. And if it is encrypted, you can't add a controller without knowing the key.
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@Reza - Uf you disable this tickbox and save, yes - Domoticz should not add any new hardware in "devices" tab.
@sundberg84
my friend, i disable tickbox and save before for both controller , but now if reset or plug in power a new device, so domoticz detect it !!! and added
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@Reza said:
@FotoFieber
signing with rfm69 is more easy ?No, but encryption is easy. And if it is encrypted, you can't add a controller without knowing the key.
i am reading "https://www.mysensors.org/about/signing" but i think this is very hard for me :) i am trying to understand :) for solve my problem with domoticz :)
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@mfalkvidd
i confuse . signing is a complicate issue for me . i am trying to learn this but ...
please told to me "MY_SIGNING_SOFT" can help me ? i want my devices (sensors and actuators) just added to my gateway and also my gateway just detect and found my device. so any gateways (for example neighbor's gateway) Fails detect and find my devices !also my gateway can not detect and find neighbor's devices !
if i use #define MY_SIGNING_SOFT and my neighbor also use #define MY_SIGNING_SOFT so my gateway can not detect neighbor's devices again ? or neighbor's gateway can not detect my device ?
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Signing will not solve your domoticz issue in any way. It is between node and gateway. Domoticz is a controller so it will only see what a gateway sends to it. The same goes for encryption. It is also only between node and gateway. Neither signing nor encryption is in use between controller and gateway.
And using encryption is just as easy or hard as using signing. Nodes and gateways have to be personalized no matter if you use signing, encryption or both. For version 2.Do you feel secure today? No? Start requiring some signatures and feel better tomorrow ;)
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Signing will not solve your domoticz issue in any way. It is between node and gateway. Domoticz is a controller so it will only see what a gateway sends to it. The same goes for encryption. It is also only between node and gateway. Neither signing nor encryption is in use between controller and gateway.
And using encryption is just as easy or hard as using signing. Nodes and gateways have to be personalized no matter if you use signing, encryption or both. For version 2.Encryption is easier to use with RFM69 as it is done in hardware. And for me the aspect of privacy is really important (and solved with encryption), which can't be solved with signing.
Encryption with NRF24L01 (MY_SIGNING_SOFT) is not implemented to be secure (->IV) and therefore for me useless.
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Encryption is easier to use with RFM69 as it is done in hardware. And for me the aspect of privacy is really important (and solved with encryption), which can't be solved with signing.
Encryption with NRF24L01 (MY_SIGNING_SOFT) is not implemented to be secure (->IV) and therefore for me useless.
@FotoFieber it is no difference. The key has to be stored somewhere and even if the engine is in hw the key storage is not. So you still need to personalize the device and that procedure is identical no matter what radio you use. But yes, the sw variant is useless. But all in all, encryption is useless in a mysensors context as message contents can be easily be determined. Authenticity is more important than obscurity. We do not transmit video or audio streams with mysensors.
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so , what am i do ? :( means that signing dont help me for my problem ?!
in other forum (http://www.domoticz.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=97403#p97403) told to me for gateway i must use a include button set !i have 2 problem and i dont know this problem is related to controller or gateway !
first problem :
you consider a vera controller or fibaro...
in this controllers , there is a inclusion mode . just when controller is inclusion mode , can add devices ! also after add a device , until that device dont remove form controller ( controller in exclusion mode) , device can not add to other controller !
In this way , device just work with their controller .
i want use domoticz and mysensors gateway and device for a Two story house(Separate) , but despite this issue , i can not ....second problem is related to lost my gateway after unplug and plug in again raspberry power supply !! if power house have problem (each reason for example use solar panel and battery in cloudy day) after incoming power controller dont work unless disconnect usb cable and connect again (handy)
sorry my friends for weak in english, i like society of mysensors convert to a great society . i am not a professional programmer . but i like very very internet of things .
in the end i hope solve this issue (easy and understandable for me :) ) and thank you very thank you my friends <3
@Anticimex @FotoFieber @sundberg84 @tbowmo @mfalkvidd @hek @TheoL
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what is :
MY_INCLUSION_BUTTON_FEATURE
MY_INCLUSION_MODE_BUTTON_PIN
MY_INCLUSION_MODE_DURATION
MY_INCLUSION_BUTTON_EXTERNAL_PULLUP
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can i use this for my serial gateway?????
where i found explain about this functions?
for example , if i want just when , i press and hold a button for inclusion , devices added . when release button so any device can not add to gateway .
what am i do for this ? -
Are they not self explanatory?
The first enables the feature, the second decides what IO to use for the button, the third the duration of the mode and the last if you use a external pull up on the signal.
Inclusion mode for a gw is to have the gw accept reporting new nodes to a controller. It can be used for any type of gw. -
Are they not self explanatory?
The first enables the feature, the second decides what IO to use for the button, the third the duration of the mode and the last if you use a external pull up on the signal.
Inclusion mode for a gw is to have the gw accept reporting new nodes to a controller. It can be used for any type of gw. -
@Anticimex
so can i use MY_INCLUSION_MODE_BUTTON_PIN for add my device? add a button to pin3 and just when press this devices add to my gatway.otherwise dont add any devices(auto add in domoticz)@Reza please read replies carefully. You need to make sure you enable the feature. That is the first define. Most if not all defines have a default value. Just search the code.
Press the button (assuming it is connected properly) and the gateway will accept new nodes for the duration specified by the third define. I am no specialist on how this works so someone else can probably give better details on how node-gw-controller handle additions of new nodes. But my Vera won't add devices unless I put my GW in inclusion mode and boot up nodes so they send their presentation data to the gw. But if it is the gw or the controller that decides if the device should be added or not based onthe gw inclusion mode I don't know, but it would seem to me pretty obvious that it would be the gw that decides that.
In other words, inclusion mode is used to add new devices. And as far as I know it is the only way (once you enable that feature). I don't know if that is the solution to your problem as I don't fully understand what your problem really is, but it will not prevent any others from listening in on your sensors.
Enabling encryption will obfuscate the data you transmit from eavesdroppers, but any reasonably intelligent attacker will anyway be able to guess what data you transmit. -
@Reza please read replies carefully. You need to make sure you enable the feature. That is the first define. Most if not all defines have a default value. Just search the code.
Press the button (assuming it is connected properly) and the gateway will accept new nodes for the duration specified by the third define. I am no specialist on how this works so someone else can probably give better details on how node-gw-controller handle additions of new nodes. But my Vera won't add devices unless I put my GW in inclusion mode and boot up nodes so they send their presentation data to the gw. But if it is the gw or the controller that decides if the device should be added or not based onthe gw inclusion mode I don't know, but it would seem to me pretty obvious that it would be the gw that decides that.
In other words, inclusion mode is used to add new devices. And as far as I know it is the only way (once you enable that feature). I don't know if that is the solution to your problem as I don't fully understand what your problem really is, but it will not prevent any others from listening in on your sensors.
Enabling encryption will obfuscate the data you transmit from eavesdroppers, but any reasonably intelligent attacker will anyway be able to guess what data you transmit.@Anticimex said:
please read replies carefully. You need to make sure you enable the feature. That is the first define. Most if not all defines have a default value. Just search the code.
Press the button (assuming it is connected properly) and the gateway will accept new nodes for the duration specified by the third define. I am no specialist on how this works so someone else can probably give better details on how node-gw-controller handle additions of new nodes. But my Vera won't add devices unless I put my GW in inclusion mode and boot up nodes so they send their presentation data to the gw. But if it is the gw or the controller that decides if the device should be added or not based onthe gw inclusion mode I don't know, but it would seem to me pretty obvious that it would be the gw that decides that.
In other words, inclusion mode is used to add new devices. And as far as I know it is the only way (once you enable that feature). I don't know if that is the solution to your problem as I don't fully understand what your problem really is, but it will not prevent any others from listening in on your sensors.
Enabling encryption will obfuscate the data you transmit from eavesdroppers, but any reasonably intelligent attacker will anyway be able to guess what data you transmit.thank you my friend . i test serial gateway with vera . exactly. in vera there is inclusion button and dont add auto device... but in domoticz is not...
so thank you for help. if you found any solution please help me. -
@Anticimex said:
please read replies carefully. You need to make sure you enable the feature. That is the first define. Most if not all defines have a default value. Just search the code.
Press the button (assuming it is connected properly) and the gateway will accept new nodes for the duration specified by the third define. I am no specialist on how this works so someone else can probably give better details on how node-gw-controller handle additions of new nodes. But my Vera won't add devices unless I put my GW in inclusion mode and boot up nodes so they send their presentation data to the gw. But if it is the gw or the controller that decides if the device should be added or not based onthe gw inclusion mode I don't know, but it would seem to me pretty obvious that it would be the gw that decides that.
In other words, inclusion mode is used to add new devices. And as far as I know it is the only way (once you enable that feature). I don't know if that is the solution to your problem as I don't fully understand what your problem really is, but it will not prevent any others from listening in on your sensors.
Enabling encryption will obfuscate the data you transmit from eavesdroppers, but any reasonably intelligent attacker will anyway be able to guess what data you transmit.thank you my friend . i test serial gateway with vera . exactly. in vera there is inclusion button and dont add auto device... but in domoticz is not...
so thank you for help. if you found any solution please help me. -
@Reza This is the MySensors forum, not the Domoticz forum. If you have issues with Domoticz, I suggest you post your questions there. MySensors provide a set of features. It is up to the controllers to make use of them.
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@Anticimex
in domoticz forum told me this issue is related to mysensors gateway and here told me this issue is related to domoticz :)
