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  • martinhjelmareM Offline
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    wrote on last edited by martinhjelmare
    #9

    To really be able to check the formatting of the config, you should post your config within codeblock markdown here in the forum. That's three back-tics, newline, code, newline, three back-tics. Then you'll get a black box with the code/config like I posted above, and formatting will be retained. Indentation is very important for yaml syntax.

    Other than that it seems you have a non standard spelling of "homeassistant" in the path for the persistence file. My guess is that is a typo, at least for the hidden directory that start with a period.

    But the most important part is that you don't say that you've configured the mqtt component. Did you do that? You should have a separate entry in the config with

    mqtt:
    

    and under that the broker ip etc.

    Thanks for the virtual beer! :smile: This is my hobby and it's super fun. You learn a lot. The great feedback you get from the community is reward enough for me.

    PS there are many that helped build the mysensors component in home assistant, and it's based on two super communities.

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          @el-tigro said:

           mysensors:
             gateways:
               - device: mqtt
                 persistence_file: 'home/homeassistant/.homeassistant/mysensors4.json'
                 topic_in_prefix: 'mygateway1-out'
                 topic_out_prefix: 'mygateway1-in'
             debug: true
             optimistic: false
             persistence: true
             retain: true
             version: 2.0
          

          Good morning from blighty. I retained your format and indentations, I think. Sorry for typo's, it was 1am and a few southern comforts. The hidden .homeassistant folder, was part of install and is where my config file lives, is that not good.

          You are exposing my dumb ass here lol, i thought we just configured the '-device :mqtt'.
          This is from HA website for mysensors but all I can see to configure is the boker IP. I tried it along with the previous code.... same error.

          Where I come from, it's rude not to accept a drink between men and I don't mean a virtual drink. Your service and assistance is invaluable to me and the least I could do is slide you a bottle of Southern Comfort. So stop being humble, stop being rude and email me an paypal addy.

           mqtt:
             broker: IP_ADDRESS_BROKER
             port: 1883
             client_id: home-assistant-1
             keepalive: 60
             username: USERNAME
             password: PASSWORD
             certificate: /home/paulus/dev/addtrustexternalcaroot.crt
             protocol: 3.1
             birth_message:
               topic: 'hass/status'
               payload: 'online'
               qos: 1
               retain: true
             will_message:
               topic: 'hass/status'
               payload: 'offline'
               qos: 1
               retain: true
          

          looked for a path to certificate...... no idea there. Tried leaving in and without

          my mosquitto mqtt has no username or pw at the moment. Tried leaving in and without.

          Once again I am at your mercy lol

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            wrote on last edited by martinhjelmare
            #13

            You are missing a leading slash for the path to the persistence file, ie before home.

            Try a minimal config for the mqtt component:

            mqtt:
              broker: IP_ADDRESS_BROKER
              client_id: home-assistant-1
            

            Of course, replace IP_ADDRESS_BROKER with your real mqtt broker ip address.

            Sorry I don't wish to be rude, but I don't want to accept any money. If you want to donate, mysensors.org has a donate with paypal button. This will help keep the site hosting alive etc and support the community.

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            • martinhjelmareM martinhjelmare

              You are missing a leading slash for the path to the persistence file, ie before home.

              Try a minimal config for the mqtt component:

              mqtt:
                broker: IP_ADDRESS_BROKER
                client_id: home-assistant-1
              

              Of course, replace IP_ADDRESS_BROKER with your real mqtt broker ip address.

              Sorry I don't wish to be rude, but I don't want to accept any money. If you want to donate, mysensors.org has a donate with paypal button. This will help keep the site hosting alive etc and support the community.

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              wrote on last edited by el tigro
              #14
              mysensors:
                gateways:
                  - device: mqtt
                    persistence_file: '/home/homeassistant/.homeassistant/mysensors4.json'
                    topic_in_prefix: 'mygateway1-out'
                    topic_out_prefix: 'mygateway1-in'
                debug: true
                optimistic: false
                persistence: true
                retain: true
                version: 2.0
              
              mqtt:
                broker: 192.168.1.115
                client_id: home-assistant-1
              

              is giving the same

              Invalid config
              The following components and platforms could not be set up:
              
                  mysensors
                  mqtt
              
              Please check your config 
              

              To clarify in my head, everything that is connected to HA needs a block in config with minimum set of data but can be finely tuned with further commands if need be.
              If this is the case, how is the gateway identified in the first block of code.

              To make sure I am not mis-reading debug, this is my arduino nano node

              Starting repeater (RNNRA-, 2.0.0)
              TSM:INIT
              TSM:RADIO:OK
              TSP:ASSIGNID:OK (ID=1)
              TSM:FPAR
              TSP:MSG:SEND 1-1-255-255 s=255,c=3,t=7,pt=0,l=0,sg=0,ft=0,st=bc:
              TSP:MSG:READ 0-0-1 s=255,c=3,t=8,pt=1,l=1,sg=0:0
              TSP:MSG:FPAR RES (ID=0, dist=0)
              TSP:MSG:PAR OK (ID=0, dist=1)
              TSM:FPAR:OK
              TSM:ID
              TSM:CHKID:OK (ID=1)
              TSM:UPL
              TSP:PING:SEND (dest=0)
              TSP:MSG:SEND 1-1-0-0 s=255,c=3,t=24,pt=1,l=1,sg=0,ft=0,st=ok:1
              TSP:MSG:READ 0-0-1 s=255,c=3,t=25,pt=1,l=1,sg=0:1
              TSP:MSG:PONG RECV (hops=1)
              TSP:CHKUPL:OK
              TSM:UPL:OK
              TSM:READY
              TSP:MSG:SEND 1-1-0-0 s=255,c=3,t=15,pt=6,l=2,sg=0,ft=0,st=ok:0100
              TSP:MSG:SEND 1-1-0-0 s=255,c=0,t=18,pt=0,l=5,sg=0,ft=0,st=ok:2.0.0
              TSP:MSG:SEND 1-1-0-0 s=255,c=3,t=6,pt=1,l=1,sg=0,ft=0,st=ok:0
              TSP:MSG:READ 0-0-1 s=255,c=3,t=15,pt=6,l=2,sg=0:0100
              TSP:MSG:SEND 1-1-0-0 s=255,c=3,t=11,pt=0,l=12,sg=0,ft=0,st=ok:Relay+button
              TSP:MSG:SEND 1-1-0-0 s=255,c=3,t=12,pt=0,l=3,sg=0,ft=0,st=ok:1.0
              TSP:MSG:SEND 1-1-0-0 s=1,c=0,t=3,pt=0,l=0,sg=0,ft=0,st=ok:
              Request registration...
              TSP:MSG:SEND 1-1-0-0 s=255,c=3,t=26,pt=1,l=1,sg=0,ft=0,st=ok:2
              TSP:MSG:READ 0-0-1 s=255,c=3,t=27,pt=1,l=1,sg=0:1
              Node registration=1
              Init complete, id=1, parent=0, distance=1, registration=1
              Sending initial value
              TSP:MSG:SEND 1-1-0-0 s=1,c=1,t=2,pt=2,l=2,sg=0,ft=0,st=ok:0
              Requesting initial value from controller
              

              This is My gateway

              0;255;3;0;9;MCO:BGN:INIT GW,CP=RNNGE--,VER=2.1.0
              0;255;3;0;9;TSF:LRT:OK
              0;255;3;0;9;TSM:INIT
              0;255;3;0;9;TSF:WUR:MS=0
              scandone
              no BTHub5-C2FC found, reconnect after 1s
              0;255;3;0;9;TSM:INIT:TSP OK
              0;255;3;0;9;TSM:INIT:GW MODE
              reconnect
              f 0, 0;255;3;0;9;TSM:READY:ID=0,PAR=0,DIS=0
              0;255;3;0;9;MCO:REG:NOT NEEDED
              scandone
              f -180, ....scandone
              no BTHub5-C2FC found, reconnect after 1s
              reconnect
              f r0, ....scandone
              no BTHub5-C2FC found, reconnect after 1s
              reconnect
              f 0, .....scandone
              state: 0 -> 2 (b0)
              state: 2 -> 3 (0)
              state: 3 -> 5 (10)
              add 0
              aid 1
              cnt 
              .0;255;3;0;9;TSF:MSG:READ,1-1-255,s=255,c=3,t=7,pt=0,l=0,sg=0:
              0;255;3;0;9;TSF:MSG:BC
              0;255;3;0;9;TSF:MSG:FPAR REQ,ID=1
              0;255;3;0;9;TSF:PNG:SEND,TO=0
              0;255;3;0;9;TSF:CKU:OK
              0;255;3;0;9;TSF:MSG:GWL OK
              
              connected with BTHub5-C2FC, channel 6
              dhcp client start...
              0;255;3;0;9;TSF:MSG:SEND,0-0-1-1,s=255,c=3,t=8,pt=1,l=1,sg=0,ft=0,st=OK:0
              ..ip:192.168.1.117,mask:255.255.255.0,gw:192.168.1.254
              .IP: 192.168.1.117
              0;255;3;0;9;MCO:BGN:STP
              0;255;3;0;9;MCO:BGN:INIT OK,TSP=1
              IP: 192.168.1.117
              0;255;3;0;9;Attempting MQTT connection...
              0;255;3;0;9;MQTT connected
              0;255;3;0;9;Sending message on topic: mygateway1-out/0/255/0/0/18
              0;255;3;0;9;TSF:MSG:READ,1-1-0,s=255,c=3,t=24,pt=1,l=1,sg=0:1
              0;255;3;0;9;TSF:MSG:PINGED,ID=1,HP=1
              0;255;3;0;9;TSF:MSG:SEND,0-0-1-1,s=255,c=3,t=25,pt=1,l=1,sg=0,ft=0,st=OK:1
              0;255;3;0;9;TSF:MSG:READ,1-1-0,s=255,c=3,t=15,pt=6,l=2,sg=0:0100
              0;255;3;0;9;TSF:MSG:SEND,0-0-1-1,s=255,c=3,t=15,pt=6,l=2,sg=0,ft=0,st=OK:0100
              0;255;3;0;9;TSF:MSG:READ,1-1-0,s=255,c=0,t=18,pt=0,l=5,sg=0:2.0.0
              0;255;3;0;9;Sending message on topic: mygateway1-out/1/255/0/0/18
              0;255;3;0;9;TSF:MSG:READ,1-1-0,s=255,c=3,t=6,pt=1,l=1,sg=0:0
              0;255;3;0;9;Sending message on topic: mygateway1-out/1/255/3/0/6
              

              And here is broker

              login as: pi
              pi@192.168.1.115's password:
              
              The programs included with the Debian GNU/Linux system are free software;
              the exact distribution terms for each program are described in the
              individual files in /usr/share/doc/*/copyright.
              
              Debian GNU/Linux comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY, to the extent
              permitted by applicable law.
              Last login: Thu Jan 19 22:04:56 2017
              pi@raspberrypi:~ $ mosquitto -v
              1484863517: mosquitto version 1.3.4 (build date 2014-08-22 06:10:51+0000) starting
              1484863517: Using default config.
              1484863517: Opening ipv4 listen socket on port 1883.
              1484863517: Opening ipv6 listen socket on port 1883.
              1484863518: New connection from 192.168.1.117 on port 1883.
              1484863518: New client connected from 192.168.1.117 as mysensors-1 (c1, k15).
              1484863518: Sending CONNACK to mysensors-1 (0)
              1484863518: Received PUBLISH from mysensors-1 (d0, q0, r0, m0, 'mygateway1-out/0/255/0/0/18', ... (5 bytes))
              1484863518: Received SUBSCRIBE from mysensors-1
              1484863518:     mygateway1-in/+/+/+/+/+ (QoS 0)
              1484863518: mysensors-1 0 mygateway1-in/+/+/+/+/+
              1484863518: Sending SUBACK to mysensors-1
              1484863518: Received PUBLISH from mysensors-1 (d0, q0, r0, m0, 'mygateway1-out/1/1/2/0/2', ... (0 bytes))
              1484863519: Received PUBLISH from mysensors-1 (d0, q0, r0, m0, 'mygateway1-out/1/1/1/0/2', ... (1 bytes))
              1484863520: Received PUBLISH from mysensors-1 (d0, q0, r0, m0, 'mygateway1-out/1/1/1/0/2', ... (1 bytes))
              1484863520: Received PUBLISH from mysensors-1 (d0, q0, r0, m0, 'mygateway1-out/1/1/2/0/2', ... (0 bytes))
              1484863522: Received PUBLISH from mysensors-1 (d0, q0, r0, m0, 'mygateway1-out/1/1/1/0/2', ... (1 bytes))
              1484863522: Received PUBLISH from mysensors-1 (d0, q0, r0, m0, 'mygateway1-out/1/1/2/0/2', ... (0 bytes))
              1484863524: Received PUBLISH from mysensors-1 (d0, q0, r0, m0, 'mygateway1-out/1/1/1/0/2', ... (1 bytes))
              1484863524: Received PUBLISH from mysensors-1 (d0, q0, r0, m0, 'mygateway1-out/1/1/2/0/2', ... (0 bytes))
              1484863526: Received PUBLISH from mysensors-1 (d0, q0, r0, m0, 'mygateway1-out/1/1/1/0/2', ... (1 bytes))
              1484863526: Received PUBLISH from mysensors-1 (d0, q0, r0, m0, 'mygateway1-out/1/1/2/0/2', ... (0 bytes))
              1484863528: Received PUBLISH from mysensors-1 (d0, q0, r0, m0, 'mygateway1-out/1/1/1/0/2', ... (1 bytes))
              1484863528: Received PUBLISH from mysensors-1 (d0, q0, r0, m0, 'mygateway1-out/1/1/2/0/2', ... (0 bytes))
              1484863530: Received PUBLISH from mysensors-1 (d0, q0, r0, m0, 'mygateway1-out/1/1/1/0/2', ... (1 bytes))
              1484863530: Received PUBLISH from mysensors-1 (d0, q0, r0, m0, 'mygateway1-out/1/1/2/0/2', ... (0 bytes))
              1484863532: Received PUBLISH from mysensors-1 (d0, q0, r0, m0, 'mygateway1-out/1/1/1/0/2', ... (1 bytes))
              1484863532: Received PUBLISH from mysensors-1 (d0, q0, r0, m0, 'mygateway1-out/1/1/2/0/2', ... (0 bytes))
              1484863534: Received PINGREQ from mysensors-1
              1484863534: Sending PINGRESP to mysensors-1
              

              It won't matter that my broker and HA are on the smae pi will it.

              Your a rare breed fella, don't let the wifey know ya refusing $$ lol. Will make a donation.... if ya sort me out.

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                wrote on last edited by
                #15

                Should my gate gateway sketch have presentation details in it, coz it doesn't. I removed comments to reduce size.

                /**
                
                 * The ESP8266 MQTT 
                
                #include <EEPROM.h>
                #include <SPI.h>
                
                // Enable debug prints to serial monitor
                #define MY_DEBUG 
                #define MY_BAUD_RATE 9600
                #define MY_RADIO_NRF24
                #define MY_GATEWAY_MQTT_CLIENT
                #define MY_GATEWAY_ESP8266
                #define MY_MQTT_PUBLISH_TOPIC_PREFIX "mygateway1-out"
                #define MY_MQTT_SUBSCRIBE_TOPIC_PREFIX "mygateway1-in"
                #define MY_MQTT_CLIENT_ID "mysensors-1"
                #define MY_ESP8266_SSID "BTHub5-C2FC"
                #define MY_ESP8266_PASSWORD "xxxxxxxxx"
                 #define MY_ESP8266_HOSTNAME "mqtt-sensor-gateway" ///
                #define MY_CONTROLLER_IP_ADDRESS 192,168,1,115
                #define MY_PORT 1883      
                 /*
                // Flash leds on rx/tx/err
                #define MY_LEDS_BLINKING_FEATURE
                // Set blinking period
                #define MY_DEFAULT_LED_BLINK_PERIOD 300
                
                // Enable inclusion mode
                #define MY_INCLUSION_MODE_FEATURE
                // Enable Inclusion mode button on gateway
                #define MY_INCLUSION_BUTTON_FEATURE
                // Set inclusion mode duration (in seconds)
                #define MY_INCLUSION_MODE_DURATION 60 
                // Digital pin used for inclusion mode button
                #define MY_INCLUSION_MODE_BUTTON_PIN  3 
                
                #define MY_DEFAULT_ERR_LED_PIN 16  // Error led pin
                #define MY_DEFAULT_RX_LED_PIN  16  // Receive led pin
                #define MY_DEFAULT_TX_LED_PIN  16  // the PCB, on board LED
                */
                
                #include <ESP8266WiFi.h>
                #include <MySensors.h>
                
                void setup() { 
                }
                
                void presentation() {
                  // Present locally attached sensors here    
                }
                
                
                void loop() {
                  // Send locally attech sensors data here
                }
                
                
                
                
                
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                  wrote on last edited by martinhjelmare
                  #16

                  Since your mqtt broker and home assistant is on the same host, you should use localhost or "127.0.0.1" as broker address when setting up the mqtt component in home assistant. Home assistant and mosquitto (MQTT) use different ports so there shouldn't be a conflict.

                  mqtt:
                    broker: localhost
                    client_id: home-assistant-1
                  

                  The gateway is identified by home assistant via the prefix topics, in the case of the mqtt gateway.

                  Arduino + ESP sketches and logs look ok.

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                    wrote on last edited by
                    #17

                    Same same, no different i'm affraid. It's pissing me off now, more because I don't understand enough to do more for myself. I think this is going to be shelved for a while.
                    I am talking about the wifi gateway,

                    I am gonna stick with HA and mysensors but rehash my hardware. I have PI's , Nano's, Yun, Mini's and ESP8266's. What combination / configuration would you recommend for ease of setup.

                    Gonna try running mosquiito on a seperate Pi to HA first off.

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                      wrote on last edited by
                      #18

                      Do you get any other errors in the log? It would be interesting to see a log after start of home assistant.

                      An RPi for controller, a Nano as serial gateway and Pro Minis as sensors, I'd say should be the most easy and "mainstream".

                      But easy is a relative term. Remember that we're building our own wireless IoT devices and home automation setup. Most people might not call that easy at all. Although I think mysensors lowers the difficulty bar considerably in this context.

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                      • martinhjelmareM martinhjelmare

                        Do you get any other errors in the log? It would be interesting to see a log after start of home assistant.

                        An RPi for controller, a Nano as serial gateway and Pro Minis as sensors, I'd say should be the most easy and "mainstream".

                        But easy is a relative term. Remember that we're building our own wireless IoT devices and home automation setup. Most people might not call that easy at all. Although I think mysensors lowers the difficulty bar considerably in this context.

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                        wrote on last edited by
                        #19

                        Hi again.

                        here is my home-assistant.log

                        fingers double crossed

                        
                        pi@raspberrypi:/home/homeassistant/.homeassistant $ less home-assistant.log
                        17-01-23 19:36:57 homeassistant.components.mqtt: Can't connect to the broker. Please check your settings and the broker itself
                        Traceback (most recent call last):
                          File "/srv/homeassistant/lib/python3.4/site-packages/homeassistant/components/mqtt/__init__.py", line 262, in setup
                            birth_message)
                          File "/srv/homeassistant/lib/python3.4/site-packages/homeassistant/components/mqtt/__init__.py", line 351, in __init__
                            self._mqttc.connect(broker, port, keepalive)
                          File "/home/homeassistant/.homeassistant/deps/paho/mqtt/client.py", line 686, in connect
                            return self.reconnect()
                          File "/home/homeassistant/.homeassistant/deps/paho/mqtt/client.py", line 808, in reconnect
                            sock = socket.create_connection((self._host, self._port), source_address=(self._bind_address, 0))
                          File "/usr/lib/python3.4/socket.py", line 509, in create_connection
                            raise err
                          File "/usr/lib/python3.4/socket.py", line 500, in create_connection
                            sock.connect(sa)
                        ConnectionRefusedError: [Errno 111] Connection refused
                        17-01-23 19:36:57 homeassistant.bootstrap: component mqtt failed to initialize
                        17-01-23 19:36:57 homeassistant.bootstrap: Component mqtt failed to setup
                        17-01-23 19:36:57 homeassistant.components.mysensors: No devices could be setup as gateways, check your configuration
                        17-01-23 19:36:57 homeassistant.bootstrap: component mysensors failed to initialize
                        17-01-23 19:36:57 homeassistant.components.mqtt: Can't connect to the broker. Please check your settings and the broker itself
                        Traceback (most recent call last):
                          File "/srv/homeassistant/lib/python3.4/site-packages/homeassistant/components/mqtt/__init__.py", line 262, in setup
                            birth_message)
                          File "/srv/homeassistant/lib/python3.4/site-packages/homeassistant/components/mqtt/__init__.py", line 351, in __init__
                            self._mqttc.connect(broker, port, keepalive)
                          File "/home/homeassistant/.homeassistant/deps/paho/mqtt/client.py", line 686, in connect
                            return self.reconnect()
                          File "/home/homeassistant/.homeassistant/deps/paho/mqtt/client.py", line 808, in reconnect
                            sock = socket.create_connection((self._host, self._port), source_address=(self._bind_address, 0))
                          File "/usr/lib/python3.4/socket.py", line 509, in create_connection
                            raise err
                          File "/usr/lib/python3.4/socket.py", line 500, in create_connection
                            sock.connect(sa)
                        ConnectionRefusedError: [Errno 111] Connection refused
                        17-01-23 19:36:57 homeassistant.bootstrap: component mqtt failed to initialize
                        
                        
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                          #20

                          OK. we are in, no errors in HA but have this in HA log.

                          17-01-23 22:19:55 mysensors.mysensors: File does not exist or is not readable: /home/homeassistant/mysensors4.json
                          17-01-23 22:19:55 mysensors.mysensors: Trying backup file: /home/homeassistant/mysensors4.json.bak
                          17-01-23 22:19:55 mysensors.mysensors: File does not exist or is not readable: /home/homeassistant/mysensors4.json.bak
                          17-01-23 22:19:55 mysensors.mysensors: Failed to load sensors from file: /home/homeassistant/mysensors4.json
                          

                          I have tried a few file path but always the same.

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                            #21

                            Well, the sun shines on a dogs arse some days.

                            We've only gone and done it, HA dash with relay sw. can controll led from dash. I honestly have sticky stuff running down my leg. You have no idea how happy I am.

                            For future reference.
                            I was flicking the power to reset pi in between config changes. My mosquitto was not starting from boot, so nothing to connect to, hence the errors when the code was right.
                            Also reset your nodes after a change.

                            This my yaml for the following setup

                            nodes are arduino nanos with nrf2401+ radio. (mysensors 2.0)

                            gateway is esp8266 NodeMCU 1.09. Wifi with NRF2401+

                            Pi 3 hosts Home Assistant and Mosquitto broker. Installed with All in one image.

                            mysensors:
                              gateways:
                                - device: mqtt
                                  persistence_file: '/home/homeassistant/mysensors4.json'
                                  topic_in_prefix: 'mygateway1-out'
                                  topic_out_prefix: 'mygateway1-in'
                              debug: true
                              optimistic: false
                              persistence: true
                              retain: true
                              version: 2.0
                            
                            mqtt:
                              broker: localhost
                              port: 1883
                              client_id: home-assistant-1
                              keepalive: 60
                            

                            Righty. I'm off to play. Be back very soon when i get stuck.

                            Cheers for now fella, thank you for all your help.

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