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  • stevebusS Offline
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    Hi,

    Neat project. This will really make for much cleaner projects for me.

    I ordered a few to play with and I'm trying to understand the connections. I soldered the RFM69 module on, no problem, and the antenna. I'll do the capacitor next.

    However, I'm trying to figure out the GND, VCC, and IRQ connections. Are the pads the only option for connection, or do the holes next to them work too (hole a lot easier to solder than pad :-)) ? I don't see any kind of etching connecting the two visible on either the top or the bottom. I assume the intent is to connect a wire to them and then run that wire "underneath" the mini to connect to GND, VSS, and D2 respectively?

    Sorry if that's a stupid question, as I don't have tools to via the design files.

    --Steve

    Vera Edge/UI7; mysensors; Arduino's and RPIs; data posted to Azure for an IoT 'dashboard' of my house

    Opinions expressed here are my own and do not necessarily reflect Microsoft's feelings on a given topic :-)

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    • stevebusS stevebus

      Hi,

      Neat project. This will really make for much cleaner projects for me.

      I ordered a few to play with and I'm trying to understand the connections. I soldered the RFM69 module on, no problem, and the antenna. I'll do the capacitor next.

      However, I'm trying to figure out the GND, VCC, and IRQ connections. Are the pads the only option for connection, or do the holes next to them work too (hole a lot easier to solder than pad :-)) ? I don't see any kind of etching connecting the two visible on either the top or the bottom. I assume the intent is to connect a wire to them and then run that wire "underneath" the mini to connect to GND, VSS, and D2 respectively?

      Sorry if that's a stupid question, as I don't have tools to via the design files.

      --Steve

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      jlaraujo
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      Glad the project seems interesting, the possibility to it being useful to someone else is the main reason for sharing.

      Regarding the connections, for GND, you can connect to any of the blue dots, for VCC to the red dot, IRQ has no option other than the pad.

      0_1496187001732_upload-f023faee-04de-4454-9623-144db56da374

      My idea in using the pads was to make the board easier to slide below the mini, exactly like you state.
      If you want, i can create a custom board for you with hole instead of pad, i used designspark PCB which is easy(er) to use but does not allow to export to other PCB software formats :-(.

      Domoticz, mysensors 2.3.1, RFM69 and RF24 sensors

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        Thanks for the quick reply. No need for special build for IRQ (although that might be a good addition for a future rev to have that option). I can solder to a pad, it's just trickier as my E.E. training, skills, steadier hands, and better eyesight were 20+ years ago :-)

        For the holes, out of curiosity, I see the VCC hole connection trace on the board, but I can't see how the pins are all connected to GND (i.e. can't see any traces). Is it between the layers of the board? Or am I just going blind?

        Thanks again for the contribution as this is a very nice project.

        Vera Edge/UI7; mysensors; Arduino's and RPIs; data posted to Azure for an IoT 'dashboard' of my house

        Opinions expressed here are my own and do not necessarily reflect Microsoft's feelings on a given topic :-)

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        • stevebusS stevebus

          Thanks for the quick reply. No need for special build for IRQ (although that might be a good addition for a future rev to have that option). I can solder to a pad, it's just trickier as my E.E. training, skills, steadier hands, and better eyesight were 20+ years ago :-)

          For the holes, out of curiosity, I see the VCC hole connection trace on the board, but I can't see how the pins are all connected to GND (i.e. can't see any traces). Is it between the layers of the board? Or am I just going blind?

          Thanks again for the contribution as this is a very nice project.

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          jlaraujo
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          #13

          @stevebus you are going blind :-D (like me probably) all those pins are in the ground plane, trying to provide a uniform ground to see if it improves the performance of the radio (by reducing outside interference). You can see that clearly on the gnd of the capacitor or in the gnd pad.

          Domoticz, mysensors 2.3.1, RFM69 and RF24 sensors

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            Ah! I see! (said the blind man :-) ).

            I had never really paid attention to PCB design, so didn't realize there were often "planes" for some widespread connections (like ground)... makes perfect sense.

            Thx again for the quick responses. I'll be soldering up the rest of the connections tomorrow so I'll be able to give it a test.

            Vera Edge/UI7; mysensors; Arduino's and RPIs; data posted to Azure for an IoT 'dashboard' of my house

            Opinions expressed here are my own and do not necessarily reflect Microsoft's feelings on a given topic :-)

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              @stevebus you are going blind :-D (like me probably) all those pins are in the ground plane, trying to provide a uniform ground to see if it improves the performance of the radio (by reducing outside interference). You can see that clearly on the gnd of the capacitor or in the gnd pad.

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              gohan
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              @jlaraujo I am about to order sma connectors, is there anything to look for or anyone would do?

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                @jlaraujo I am about to order sma connectors, is there anything to look for or anyone would do?

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                sundberg84
                Hardware Contributor
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                #16

                @gohan - use the same size on the connector as you have when you order the boards ;)

                Controller: Proxmox VM - Home Assistant
                MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - W5100 Ethernet, Gw Shield Nrf24l01+ 2,4Ghz
                MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - Gw Shield RFM69, 433mhz
                RFLink GW - Arduino Mega + RFLink Shield, 433mhz

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                  If you can find the size let me know, I looked on aliexpress and none are showing what is the supported pcb size. So either it is like standard for 1.6mm pcbs or I have no idea

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                    Was able to finish up the soldering, and just playing with the mocksensor sketch... works great! (not sure why my pics are sideways, they are straight on my machine :-) )

                    Looking at the RSSI data, this sensor seems to be about the same signal strength as my other sensors (maybe even slightly better, probably due to the shorter and more solid connections). So it seems that the performance of the radio is pretty good.

                    sensor1

                    sensor2

                    Vera Edge/UI7; mysensors; Arduino's and RPIs; data posted to Azure for an IoT 'dashboard' of my house

                    Opinions expressed here are my own and do not necessarily reflect Microsoft's feelings on a given topic :-)

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                    • gohanG gohan

                      If you can find the size let me know, I looked on aliexpress and none are showing what is the supported pcb size. So either it is like standard for 1.6mm pcbs or I have no idea

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                      @gohan It seems to be a standard sma size the 1.6mm distance between the legs, anyway if it is bigger you can solder only the top layer, if it is shorter, you can cut some legs.
                      Not the best but it should work.

                      Domoticz, mysensors 2.3.1, RFM69 and RF24 sensors

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                      • stevebusS stevebus

                        Was able to finish up the soldering, and just playing with the mocksensor sketch... works great! (not sure why my pics are sideways, they are straight on my machine :-) )

                        Looking at the RSSI data, this sensor seems to be about the same signal strength as my other sensors (maybe even slightly better, probably due to the shorter and more solid connections). So it seems that the performance of the radio is pretty good.

                        sensor1

                        sensor2

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                        jlaraujo
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                        @stevebus glad it is working i have an updated version of the pcb in the first production run, that will not need any extra wiring, i'll keep you guys updated on the progress.

                        Domoticz, mysensors 2.3.1, RFM69 and RF24 sensors

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                          Thanks @jlaraujo... Definitely keep us up to date and i'll be happy to order and try it out.

                          Vera Edge/UI7; mysensors; Arduino's and RPIs; data posted to Azure for an IoT 'dashboard' of my house

                          Opinions expressed here are my own and do not necessarily reflect Microsoft's feelings on a given topic :-)

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                          • gohanG gohan

                            If you can find the size let me know, I looked on aliexpress and none are showing what is the supported pcb size. So either it is like standard for 1.6mm pcbs or I have no idea

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                            @gohan - I have found both 1.6mm and 1mm on Ebay. Since i like to order 1mm thats what i went with SMA connector but it was way easier to find 1.6mm. I just mean a easy misstake would be to order a 1.6mm SMA connector and 1.0mm pcb. Might probably work.

                            Controller: Proxmox VM - Home Assistant
                            MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - W5100 Ethernet, Gw Shield Nrf24l01+ 2,4Ghz
                            MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - Gw Shield RFM69, 433mhz
                            RFLink GW - Arduino Mega + RFLink Shield, 433mhz

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                              Since I ordered 1.6mm pcbs, I think I should be fine then.

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                                I really like this design as I am looking for a small for factor RFM69 shield. One question how hard would it be to integrate a connection for a DHT22 to be able to have a small temp and humidity transmitter. I need to have about 5 of these setup in different locations sending temp and humidity back to a gateway.

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                                  The sensor will be attached to the arduino, not to the shield

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                                    I really like this design as I am looking for a small for factor RFM69 shield. One question how hard would it be to integrate a connection for a DHT22 to be able to have a small temp and humidity transmitter. I need to have about 5 of these setup in different locations sending temp and humidity back to a gateway.

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                                    jlaraujo
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                                    @556duckvader, like @gohan referred, you can attach the DHT22 to the arduino and not to the shield.
                                    You can make a simple PCB that will connect to the required ports for the DHT22 to operate.
                                    If you'd like to have an even smaller footprint, try this design:
                                    https://www.openhardware.io/view/615
                                    It is not yet tested in production, probably will be by the end of the week.

                                    Domoticz, mysensors 2.3.1, RFM69 and RF24 sensors

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                                      There are also other solutions that have I2C bus pins on the shield and if you are going to make a battery powered node, I'd suggest to use an I2C sensor as it will be much more battery friendly

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