@alowhum They seem to be not quite as easy for copy paste programming. I have had to do a heap of reading and learning to get it all down. Any the other one is you search the forums for soloutions before posting and half the solutions are pre 2.x and dont work either, I don't like noob posting basic stuff due to my lack of programming skill, but people here seem quite nice and willing to help Wait for my debouncing post later tonight if I cant work it out hahaha