💬 Effective Solar Supercap Boost Charger for Small Solar Panel

[alexsh1]

Where did you get S-1009N081-I4T1U voltage detector please? Cannot find it on Farnell or Arrow.

[NeverDie]

@alexsh1
Digikey.

[alexsh1]

@NeverDie It is not available on Digikey either currently. Any idea what I could use as a replacement please?

[NeverDie]

@alexsh1
It turns out Digikey does have it, but their own search engine couldn't find it. Very odd. Here's a link:
https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/sii-semiconductor-corporation/S-1009N08I-I4T1U/1662-1182-1-ND/6601322

Actually, any of these would work in theory:
https://www.digikey.com/products/en/integrated-circuits-ics/pmic-supervisors/691?k=S-1009N&k=&pkeyword=S-1009N&pv846=33&mnonly=0&newproducts=0&ColumnSort=0&page=1&quantity=0&ptm=0&fid=0&pageSize=500
except that not all of the would fit the land pattern.

Notably, though, I see they are showing a "new" product entry which wasn't there before:
https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/sii-semiconductor-corporation/S-1009N08I-M5T1U/1662-2290-1-ND/7228582
which is a good thing, because it is larger and would be easier to solder.

Are you able to get that one? I could re-do the PCB and customize it for that one instead.

[alexsh1]

@NeverDie Yes, I am able to get both now. Strange thing that Digikey did not find it.

I am confident with SMD soldering. I do not have an oven, but I am using hot fan and do it by hand.

[NeverDie]

This remains the best boost charger for small solar panels that I know of. All the other low voltage boost chargers made by others that I've tried fail, probably because when a small solar panel has low voltage, it typically also has very low current. Solar panels don't produce much current indoors, and if it's outdoors you probably don't need a boost charger anyway. This is the only boost charger for small solar panels that I know of which works indoors under low light conditions.

It's conceivable that a solar charger based around either the ADP5090 chip or the SPV1050 chip might work as well or better, but I haven't tried either one. If anyone else reading this has tried them, please post and let us know how well they perform on small solar panels.

Enocean previously sold a solar charge module, the ECT-310, but I can't find it in stock anywhere:
https://www.enocean.com/en/products/enocean_modules/ect-310-perpetuum/

The AEM10941 claims to work under indoor light on small panels. It won the Hackaday prize, so maybe it's one of the few that actually work under those conditions:
https://www.tindie.com/products/jaspersikken/solar-harvesting-into-li-ion-battery/

[ncollins]

@neverdie they work super well. I've been testing them for a few months now, very reliable.

One of the first supercap setups I made, "SolarRed". It's been running non-stop for 8ish months sitting indoors on a windowsill.

6 Month History SolarRed

Testing platform for different solar panel / super cap combos

[NeverDie]

@ncollins said in 💬 Effective Solar Supercap Boost Charger for Small Solar Panel:

@neverdie they work super well. I've been testing them for a few months now, very reliable.

Great! Nice to have your feedback. :)

I had high expectations for Ceech's LTC3108 design:
https://www.ebay.com/i/331654685113?chn=ps&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-117182-37290-0&mkcid=2&itemid=331654685113&targetid=809743845025&device=c&mktype=pla&googleloc=9028292&poi=&campaignid=6470262913&mkgroupid=80364172271&rlsatarget=pla-809743845025&abcId=1141166&merchantid=115344895&gclid=CjwKCAjw29vsBRAuEiwA9s-0B7exYA8yU9w--t63jcXP7QWO_f05DzJKNxw2XS6pwlLkPkfK1UYqkxoC084QAvD_BwE
but when I tested it, it turns out it needs about 5ma of current to run, which is at least 10x+ more than most small solar panels will deliver under even quite bright indoor lighting. Basically, if a panel can produce 5ma of current, the voltage will also be fairly high, thereby completely defeating the purpose of a chip like the LTC3108, which can be powered from 20mv. In my testing it took a minimum of 50mv and 5ma of current to get it to actually harvest any energy. 50mv would still be impressive, but the 5ma minimum is what kills its usefulness.

[ncollins]

@neverdie Yep, I had the same experience with this LTC3108 breakout.
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/LTC3108-1-Ultra-Low-Voltage-Boost-Converter-Power-Manager-Breakout-Development-Board-Module-Diy-Kit/32867270266.html

I also intended to try the following modules which have a ton of functionality baked in. Unfortunately, they multiply the cost of a basic node by 2-5x.

BQ25570
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32903287631.html

BQ25504
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32976994195.html

From an energy harvesting perspective, I think rechargeable watch battery + 0.2F super cap + 4 100uf is my favorite setup. Cheap, fault tolerant, very small profile if you use 1206 ceramic capacitors (not shown in this prototype). Based on this design: https://www.allaboutcircuits.com/technical-articles/overview-of-the-ble-solar-beacon-from-cypress-semiconductor/

0.2F 3.3v Capacitors
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32577753501.html

3v Rechargeable Battery
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32813917590.html

1206 100uf Capacitors
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32376068793.html

Cheapest amorphous, indoor solar panels I have found: 2.7-3v
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1854641441.html

Tiny S4 1N5817 Diodes
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32813213875.html

[NeverDie]

@ncollins Very interesting! What's the max volts that those TRONY solar panels put out? Is it 0.5v or 2.0v?

[NeverDie]

@ncollins For small but high quality solar cells, digikey now has a pretty good selection:
https://www.digikey.com/products/en/sensors-transducers/solar-cells/514?FV=ffe00202&quantity=0&ColumnSort=1000011&page=1&pageSize=500
Those made by IXYS in particular are quite good, especially for being so tiny.

I hadn't had much luck with the aliexpress capacitors. Their self discharge has tended to be relatively high. Maybe you found some good ones though. After trying quite a few I more or less settled on using AVX supercaps instead.

[ncollins]

@neverdie according to a few datasheets 2v at 200lux. The solar cells delivered were HENGYANG SC-3514.

http://www.vimun.cn/en/ProductInfo.asp?pid=18
http://www.solars-china.com/solars/indoor-solar-cells.pdf

On my windowsill, 2.5v typical in-direct sunlight, 2.7v is the highest I've recorded in direct sunlight.

So far, most of my Aliexpress buys have been fine for my needs. Haven't really gotten close to making a "production ready" module, so for prototyping it's been fine.

One exception: I thought I had a genius idea to repurpose these $1 solar powered keychain flashlights. They had an amorphous solar panel, rechargeable battery, button, leds and a housing...for $1. I bought 20 of them. First one I opened up, I realized it's a lie!

The solar panel is just glued to the circuit. The battery is just a normal non-rechargeable CR2016.

[alexsh1]

@neverdie said in 💬 Effective Solar Supercap Boost Charger for Small Solar Panel:

@ncollins said in 💬 Effective Solar Supercap Boost Charger for Small Solar Panel:

@neverdie they work super well. I've been testing them for a few months now, very reliable.

Great! Nice to have your feedback. :)

I had high expectations for Ceech's LTC3108 design:
https://www.ebay.com/i/331654685113?chn=ps&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-117182-37290-0&mkcid=2&itemid=331654685113&targetid=809743845025&device=c&mktype=pla&googleloc=9028292&poi=&campaignid=6470262913&mkgroupid=80364172271&rlsatarget=pla-809743845025&abcId=1141166&merchantid=115344895&gclid=CjwKCAjw29vsBRAuEiwA9s-0B7exYA8yU9w--t63jcXP7QWO_f05DzJKNxw2XS6pwlLkPkfK1UYqkxoC084QAvD_BwE
but when I tested it, it turns out it needs about 5ma of current to run, which is at least 10x+ more than most small solar panels will deliver under even quite bright indoor lighting. Basically, if a panel can produce 5ma of current, the voltage will also be fairly high, thereby completely defeating the purpose of a chip like the LTC3108, which can be powered from 20mv. In my testing it took a minimum of 50mv and 5ma of current to get it to actually harvest any energy. 50mv would still be impressive, but the 5ma minimum is what kills its usefulness.

One of the best modules @ceech made was this one

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BQ25570-thermal-solar-energy-harvester/332071662285?_trkparms=aid%3D1110001%26algo%3DSPLICE.SIM%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20131231084308%26meid%3D759b68bcf5834d74bfa46f9df6b8ae4d%26pid%3D100010%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D332393146893%26itm%3D332071662285%26pmt%3D0%26noa%3D1%26pg%3D2047675&_trksid=p2047675.c100010.m2109

It has been running non-stop for many months now

[NeverDie]

@alexsh1 Does it work well even under extremely low light indoor conditions?

[NeverDie]

What the BQ25570 has working against it is a cold-start voltage of >600mv. The LTC3108 doesn't really have a cold start voltage. It can in theory start with as little as 20mv (though in the case of Ceech's module, 50mv).

On the other hand, the BQ25570, once it reaches its cold start voltage, can operate with far less current than the LTC3108. And once the BQ25570 gets going, it can continue operating down to 100mv. That part is very attractive indeed. I think I'll give it a closer look.

[NeverDie]

I found the smoking gun:
"Q. What about solar harvesting applications with the LTC3108?

A. In general, you should look at the LTC3105 first for these applications. The LTC3108 requires a minimum input current of a few milliamps (at the converter input) just to startup, and may not be a good load match for a PV cell. Therefore, small solar cells that have a short circuit current of less than a few milliamps will not work with the LTC3108 (or LTC3109)."
https://www.analog.com/en/technical-articles/frequently-asked-questions-thermoelectric-energy-harvesting-with-the-ltc3108-ltc3109.html

[alexsh1]

@neverdie It does work under very extreme conditions (dark or very cloudy days for weeks), but I have not tested it extensively with internal lightning. The solar panel is very close to a window. I may be mistaken by I do not think LTC3108 is designed for low current (< 1 mA) application. BQ25570 is absolutely brilliant.

[NeverDie]

Because of the passage I quoted above, I re-visited my earlier LTC3105 project:
https://www.openhardware.io/view/281/Solar-Energy-Harvester
and gave it a closer look. As a result, I now have it starting the up-conversion at 270 millivolts (a slight derating of the advertised 250mv). It can fairly quickly upconvert from 270mv input to 2.63v output (which is what I picked as a "safe" voltage for charging a supercap). It does consume much less input current than the LTC3108 does, but if you put it in a dark enough room it will stall before starting up, which is a bit disappointing. That said, though, I can fix it using a similar technique that I used for the topic of this thread.

Meanwhile, from amazon.com, I ordered the solar boost charger module that recently won the hackaday prize: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07JFNSPQ3/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 I'll be interested to see how well it handles a dimly lit room!

[NeverDie]

@ncollins

I'd like to do the same trick with an LTC3108 (namely, pulse it on when it hits a voltage threshhold at, say, 200mv or less), but the trouble is that the voltage detection chips need a supply voltage higher than that to work. So, it's a bootstrap problem that's difficult to get around. Including a small button cell battery as a workaround to that problem feels like cheating, but the alternative might be to build some kind of ultra low voltage trigger, and I'm not sure how to do that. An SCR trigger would maybe work, but it might have a 0.6v threshhold. The EPAD Mosfet's might turn on a 0.2v. Just not sure if it would be a clean switch-on or not.

I suppose using a rechargeable watch battery for the same purpose would feel a bit less like a cheat. Do you happen to know long do they typically last, and what's their rate of self discharge?

[ncollins]

@neverdie this is the data sheet for the authentic version of the watch batteries I'm using:
https://www.sii.co.jp/en/me/datasheets/ms-rechargeable/ms412fe-5/

I tried to order a few of the AEM10941 ICs but they quoted me ~$100. I guess they still don't have a US distributor?

Personally, I'm struggling to justify the cost of the harvesting modules. I think ultra high efficiency indoor solar panels that put out usable voltage at very low light levels + supervisor IC with adjustable hysteresis should provide comparable performance with significantly less complexity/cost.