💬 Effective Solar Supercap Boost Charger for Small Solar Panel

[NeverDie]

@Nca78 said in 💬 Simple Solar Supercap Charger:

Hello @NeverDie, I would like to give it a try but I have quite limited supply options. I see some MCPT1640T on AliExpress but no S-1009 and not any other voltage detectors, did you happen to see another reference during your searches that could replace it, even with less interesting specs ?

Digikey carries a bunch of different voltage detectors, which is how I found that one. So, you might try looking for part numbers on Digkey, and then checking to see whether your supply sources carry any of them.

The other, perhaps more interesting, alternative would be to build your own voltage detector out of more basic parts. I haven't researched how to do that, but I would certainly like to detect voltages at less than 0.8v, and 0.8v was the lowest that any of the voltage detector chips on Digikey could detect.

Also, it's possible that a mosfet or transistor or something just naturally switches at a low voltage. That's probably the least expensive option, and something that you might find on Aliexpress. However, I wasn't sure how to search for that easily, so I haven't explored that. It doesn't have to switch at a precise voltage, or even a repeatable voltage: just a voltage that's something near what you want. In that respect, the voltage detector is overkill, because it's more precise than it needs to be.

In addition, I suspect that a switch/detector with a wider hysteresis would be more efficient, but I haven't explored that either. However, in that regard, you might get a similar efficiency benefit from simply using a higher capacitance value.

Hope that helps. Please do let me know what you come up with!

[NeverDie]

@Nca78

Not sure, but perhaps some kind of Schmitt Trigger used with a part that naturally switches at low voltage could do the job.

Here's a good overview on Schmitt Triggers: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ht48vv0rQYk

[NeverDie]

@gohan

I just now implemented the method of having the mcu turn on the Rx when the supercap voltage is greater than 2.69v. I tested it, and it works fine. :)

[gohan]

good to know, the problem is when using a bigger solar panel; protection circuits usually have a transistor that gets activated when voltage gets to 2.7v and start discharging cap with 4-10 Ohms resistor and that would be my goal. I am waiting for Adreas Spiess to review the supercaps protection boards on his channel and I'll see from that

[NeverDie]

@gohan
If you're comfortable having the MCU manage the charge limit, you could simply use a PFET between the solar panel and the supercap. Have the PFET gate connected to ground through a pulldown resistor, so that the PFET initializes to "open" and thus default to charging mode. When you want to shut-off the supercap charging, drive the PFET gate pin high using one of your ATmega328P digital pins. I've done this previously, because I was attempting to automatically measure the open circuit voltage on the solar panel. I don't recall now whether it worked fine just like that, or whether I had to drive the PFET with an NFET, but however I did it, it seemed to work fine as far as disconnecting the solar panel and preventing it from charging anymore.

[gohan]

I'll see when I'll have all the parts

[NeverDie]

@Nca78
Interestingly, in some scenarios it's possible to just do a kickstart and then switch over to non-pulsed mode. So far I've only done it manually, so I haven't yet worked out circuitry to do it or circuitry to decide when it's appropriate and when it isn't. Based on preliminary work, though, it looks as though the same basic technique may be applicable to buck converters also. In a way, kick starting buck converters should be easier to solve, because the starting voltages are (obviously) higher, so finding components which work at those voltages will be easy.

[alexsh1]

Where did you get S-1009N081-I4T1U voltage detector please? Cannot find it on Farnell or Arrow.

[NeverDie]

@alexsh1
Digikey.

[alexsh1]

@NeverDie It is not available on Digikey either currently. Any idea what I could use as a replacement please?

[NeverDie]

@alexsh1
It turns out Digikey does have it, but their own search engine couldn't find it. Very odd. Here's a link:
https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/sii-semiconductor-corporation/S-1009N08I-I4T1U/1662-1182-1-ND/6601322

Actually, any of these would work in theory:
https://www.digikey.com/products/en/integrated-circuits-ics/pmic-supervisors/691?k=S-1009N&k=&pkeyword=S-1009N&pv846=33&mnonly=0&newproducts=0&ColumnSort=0&page=1&quantity=0&ptm=0&fid=0&pageSize=500
except that not all of the would fit the land pattern.

Notably, though, I see they are showing a "new" product entry which wasn't there before:
https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/sii-semiconductor-corporation/S-1009N08I-M5T1U/1662-2290-1-ND/7228582
which is a good thing, because it is larger and would be easier to solder.

Are you able to get that one? I could re-do the PCB and customize it for that one instead.

[alexsh1]

@NeverDie Yes, I am able to get both now. Strange thing that Digikey did not find it.

I am confident with SMD soldering. I do not have an oven, but I am using hot fan and do it by hand.

[NeverDie]

This remains the best boost charger for small solar panels that I know of. All the other low voltage boost chargers made by others that I've tried fail, probably because when a small solar panel has low voltage, it typically also has very low current. Solar panels don't produce much current indoors, and if it's outdoors you probably don't need a boost charger anyway. This is the only boost charger for small solar panels that I know of which works indoors under low light conditions.

It's conceivable that a solar charger based around either the ADP5090 chip or the SPV1050 chip might work as well or better, but I haven't tried either one. If anyone else reading this has tried them, please post and let us know how well they perform on small solar panels.

Enocean previously sold a solar charge module, the ECT-310, but I can't find it in stock anywhere:
https://www.enocean.com/en/products/enocean_modules/ect-310-perpetuum/

The AEM10941 claims to work under indoor light on small panels. It won the Hackaday prize, so maybe it's one of the few that actually work under those conditions:
https://www.tindie.com/products/jaspersikken/solar-harvesting-into-li-ion-battery/

[ncollins]

@neverdie they work super well. I've been testing them for a few months now, very reliable.

One of the first supercap setups I made, "SolarRed". It's been running non-stop for 8ish months sitting indoors on a windowsill.

6 Month History SolarRed

Testing platform for different solar panel / super cap combos

[NeverDie]

@ncollins said in 💬 Effective Solar Supercap Boost Charger for Small Solar Panel:

@neverdie they work super well. I've been testing them for a few months now, very reliable.

Great! Nice to have your feedback. :)

I had high expectations for Ceech's LTC3108 design:
https://www.ebay.com/i/331654685113?chn=ps&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-117182-37290-0&mkcid=2&itemid=331654685113&targetid=809743845025&device=c&mktype=pla&googleloc=9028292&poi=&campaignid=6470262913&mkgroupid=80364172271&rlsatarget=pla-809743845025&abcId=1141166&merchantid=115344895&gclid=CjwKCAjw29vsBRAuEiwA9s-0B7exYA8yU9w--t63jcXP7QWO_f05DzJKNxw2XS6pwlLkPkfK1UYqkxoC084QAvD_BwE
but when I tested it, it turns out it needs about 5ma of current to run, which is at least 10x+ more than most small solar panels will deliver under even quite bright indoor lighting. Basically, if a panel can produce 5ma of current, the voltage will also be fairly high, thereby completely defeating the purpose of a chip like the LTC3108, which can be powered from 20mv. In my testing it took a minimum of 50mv and 5ma of current to get it to actually harvest any energy. 50mv would still be impressive, but the 5ma minimum is what kills its usefulness.

[ncollins]

@neverdie Yep, I had the same experience with this LTC3108 breakout.
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/LTC3108-1-Ultra-Low-Voltage-Boost-Converter-Power-Manager-Breakout-Development-Board-Module-Diy-Kit/32867270266.html

I also intended to try the following modules which have a ton of functionality baked in. Unfortunately, they multiply the cost of a basic node by 2-5x.

BQ25570
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32903287631.html

BQ25504
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32976994195.html

From an energy harvesting perspective, I think rechargeable watch battery + 0.2F super cap + 4 100uf is my favorite setup. Cheap, fault tolerant, very small profile if you use 1206 ceramic capacitors (not shown in this prototype). Based on this design: https://www.allaboutcircuits.com/technical-articles/overview-of-the-ble-solar-beacon-from-cypress-semiconductor/

0.2F 3.3v Capacitors
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32577753501.html

3v Rechargeable Battery
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32813917590.html

1206 100uf Capacitors
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32376068793.html

Cheapest amorphous, indoor solar panels I have found: 2.7-3v
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1854641441.html

Tiny S4 1N5817 Diodes
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32813213875.html

[NeverDie]

@ncollins Very interesting! What's the max volts that those TRONY solar panels put out? Is it 0.5v or 2.0v?

[NeverDie]

@ncollins For small but high quality solar cells, digikey now has a pretty good selection:
https://www.digikey.com/products/en/sensors-transducers/solar-cells/514?FV=ffe00202&quantity=0&ColumnSort=1000011&page=1&pageSize=500
Those made by IXYS in particular are quite good, especially for being so tiny.

I hadn't had much luck with the aliexpress capacitors. Their self discharge has tended to be relatively high. Maybe you found some good ones though. After trying quite a few I more or less settled on using AVX supercaps instead.

[ncollins]

@neverdie according to a few datasheets 2v at 200lux. The solar cells delivered were HENGYANG SC-3514.

http://www.vimun.cn/en/ProductInfo.asp?pid=18
http://www.solars-china.com/solars/indoor-solar-cells.pdf

On my windowsill, 2.5v typical in-direct sunlight, 2.7v is the highest I've recorded in direct sunlight.

So far, most of my Aliexpress buys have been fine for my needs. Haven't really gotten close to making a "production ready" module, so for prototyping it's been fine.

One exception: I thought I had a genius idea to repurpose these $1 solar powered keychain flashlights. They had an amorphous solar panel, rechargeable battery, button, leds and a housing...for $1. I bought 20 of them. First one I opened up, I realized it's a lie!

The solar panel is just glued to the circuit. The battery is just a normal non-rechargeable CR2016.

[alexsh1]

@neverdie said in 💬 Effective Solar Supercap Boost Charger for Small Solar Panel:

@ncollins said in 💬 Effective Solar Supercap Boost Charger for Small Solar Panel:

@neverdie they work super well. I've been testing them for a few months now, very reliable.

Great! Nice to have your feedback. :)

I had high expectations for Ceech's LTC3108 design:
https://www.ebay.com/i/331654685113?chn=ps&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-117182-37290-0&mkcid=2&itemid=331654685113&targetid=809743845025&device=c&mktype=pla&googleloc=9028292&poi=&campaignid=6470262913&mkgroupid=80364172271&rlsatarget=pla-809743845025&abcId=1141166&merchantid=115344895&gclid=CjwKCAjw29vsBRAuEiwA9s-0B7exYA8yU9w--t63jcXP7QWO_f05DzJKNxw2XS6pwlLkPkfK1UYqkxoC084QAvD_BwE
but when I tested it, it turns out it needs about 5ma of current to run, which is at least 10x+ more than most small solar panels will deliver under even quite bright indoor lighting. Basically, if a panel can produce 5ma of current, the voltage will also be fairly high, thereby completely defeating the purpose of a chip like the LTC3108, which can be powered from 20mv. In my testing it took a minimum of 50mv and 5ma of current to get it to actually harvest any energy. 50mv would still be impressive, but the 5ma minimum is what kills its usefulness.

One of the best modules @ceech made was this one

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BQ25570-thermal-solar-energy-harvester/332071662285?_trkparms=aid%3D1110001%26algo%3DSPLICE.SIM%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20131231084308%26meid%3D759b68bcf5834d74bfa46f9df6b8ae4d%26pid%3D100010%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D332393146893%26itm%3D332071662285%26pmt%3D0%26noa%3D1%26pg%3D2047675&_trksid=p2047675.c100010.m2109

It has been running non-stop for many months now