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Which is better: RFM69 or NRF24L01+?

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  • rvendrameR Offline
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    rvendrame
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    @tbowmo , in that case we need to adopt the gw sketch to run both radios in parallel right?

    And @Francois , by running two distinct GWs, I guess you don't have to worry about duplicate node IDs, right?

    Thank you guys!

    Home Assistant / Vera Plus UI7
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    • FrancoisF Offline
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      @rvendrame I give all my nodes static ID's and this is working for me in Domoticz

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      • NeverDieN Offline
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        NeverDie
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        If you were starting from scratch, would you still put both radio types in your system, or would you put all of one type only?

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          @rvendrame I will only go for the RFM69. When I start playing with the Mysensor project Hek only had only support for the NRF24l01+. Once they port the library over to support the RFM69 I stop using the NRF24L01+. Luckly I don't have big installation on the NRF24 radio.

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            @rvendrame

            Yes, there will be some adjustments to code here and there.. But first the prototypes needs to be build, before we can make code for it.. (Also, I don't have any rfm69 hardware at the moment..)

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            • FrancoisF Francois

              @rvendrame I will only go for the RFM69. When I start playing with the Mysensor project Hek only had only support for the NRF24l01+. Once they port the library over to support the RFM69 I stop using the NRF24L01+. Luckly I don't have big installation on the NRF24 radio.

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              Moshe Livne
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              @Francois darn, by now i can wire the nrf from memory. Now to learn new wiring....
              The power consumption in idle is still something to consider

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              • Moshe LivneM Moshe Livne

                @Francois darn, by now i can wire the nrf from memory. Now to learn new wiring....
                The power consumption in idle is still something to consider

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                @Moshe-Livne said:

                The power consumption in idle is still something to consider

                According to JeeLabs, " The RFM69 draws 0.1 µA in sleep mode." Say, isn't that lower than for the NRF24L01+?

                Or, by "idle," were you referring to something else?

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                • NeverDieN NeverDie

                  @Moshe-Livne said:

                  The power consumption in idle is still something to consider

                  According to JeeLabs, " The RFM69 draws 0.1 µA in sleep mode." Say, isn't that lower than for the NRF24L01+?

                  Or, by "idle," were you referring to something else?

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                  @NeverDie I mean in reality... people here measured 30uA compared to 3uA in similar nrf setup. could be the result of many things, might be just a kink that has to be ironed in the software.

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                  • NeverDieN Offline
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                    #16

                    I haven't measured it myself, so I'm very open to everybody's data. Hopefully more people will post results of their own measurements and a pattern will emerge suggesting what's truth.

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                    • S Offline
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                      Just curious if anyone has tested the power consumption yet? But to be honest only one of my sensors is battery powered so I'm not overly concerned :-)

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                        @francois where did you get your antenna for rfm69. DIY ?

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                          Hi,

                          Anyone got the Ethernet gateway going with RFM69? I am struggling and I am not sure, but I think there are a few issues in the V1.5 for RFM69.

                          @NeverDie, a 78mm piece of wire works well for antenna.
                          *Edit - Sorry, this is assuming 915MHz. See https://www.easycalculation.com/physics/electromagnetism/antenna-wavelength.php and choose quater wavelength

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                          • M mrmin24

                            Hi,

                            Anyone got the Ethernet gateway going with RFM69? I am struggling and I am not sure, but I think there are a few issues in the V1.5 for RFM69.

                            @NeverDie, a 78mm piece of wire works well for antenna.
                            *Edit - Sorry, this is assuming 915MHz. See https://www.easycalculation.com/physics/electromagnetism/antenna-wavelength.php and choose quater wavelength

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                            NeverDie
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                            @mrmin24 said:

                            Hi,

                            Anyone got the Ethernet gateway going with RFM69? I am struggling and I am not sure, but I think there are a few issues in the V1.5 for RFM69.

                            @NeverDie, a 78mm piece of wire works well for antenna.

                            Does it make any difference what the wire diameter is? I'm assuming the thicker the better?

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                              @NeverDie Probably, but I don't think you should stress too much. The power is not "that" high.

                              See http://ham.stackexchange.com/questions/140/good-wire-for-wire-antenna for what seems like valid response.

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                              • M mrmin24

                                @NeverDie Probably, but I don't think you should stress too much. The power is not "that" high.

                                See http://ham.stackexchange.com/questions/140/good-wire-for-wire-antenna for what seems like valid response.

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                                @mrmin24 said:

                                @NeverDie Probably, but I don't think you should stress too much. The power is not "that" high.

                                See http://ham.stackexchange.com/questions/140/good-wire-for-wire-antenna for what seems like valid response.

                                Right, I'm just not t sure how to account for the "skin effect".

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                                  @fets yes ons DIY. I am using 433mhz radio and I just wound the wire around screwdriver the thickness of the wire is 5.8mm and it is working for me.

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                                  • FrancoisF Francois

                                    @fets yes ons DIY. I am using 433mhz radio and I just wound the wire around screwdriver the thickness of the wire is 5.8mm and it is working for me.

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                                    NeverDie
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                                    wrote on last edited by NeverDie
                                    #24

                                    @Francois said:

                                    @fets yes ons DIY. I am using 433mhz radio and I just wound the wire around screwdriver the thickness of the wire is 5.8mm and it is working for me.

                                    Is it just bare copper, or does it have some kind of thin insulator on it like magnet wire has?

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                                      @NeverDie it is just bare copper wire.

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                                        Bare or insulated wire will work the same. I use insulated on my 433mhz transmitter/receiver node to prevent the antenna from shorting anything on the board, just in case.

                                        Veralite UI5 :: IBoard Ethernet GW :: MyS 1.5

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                                          @francois nice job

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