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1.4 SerialGateway freezes

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  • hekH hek

    Haven't heard of this. Can you reproduce it again?

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    wrote on last edited by
    #4

    @hek yep, always with the result.

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    • GoppoG Offline
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      wrote on last edited by
      #5

      Damn.
      Yestersday I could freeze the gateway all the the time.
      2 minutes ago, it' worked.

      I will observe it and clarify the conditions

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      • hekH hek

        Haven't heard of this. Can you reproduce it again?

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        Yveaux
        Mod
        wrote on last edited by
        #6

        @hek Could it be that the transmit buffer is not flushed when a transmission fails after automatic-ack retrying?
        Didn't look in the code yet...

        http://yveaux.blogspot.nl

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        • YveauxY Yveaux

          @hek Could it be that the transmit buffer is not flushed when a transmission fails after automatic-ack retrying?
          Didn't look in the code yet...

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          hek
          Admin
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          #7

          @Yveaux

          Would be great if you have some kind of idea . How/where did you mean I should flush?

          @Goppo
          Do you have the amplified radio version on you gateway? I'm suspecting a powering issue. In the cases where the sensor is shut down your gateway-radio will send a burst 15 messages. This could very well cause some issues if you get a voltage drop.

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          • hekH hek

            @Yveaux

            Would be great if you have some kind of idea . How/where did you mean I should flush?

            @Goppo
            Do you have the amplified radio version on you gateway? I'm suspecting a powering issue. In the cases where the sensor is shut down your gateway-radio will send a burst 15 messages. This could very well cause some issues if you get a voltage drop.

            GoppoG Offline
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            wrote on last edited by
            #8

            @hek
            Yes I do,
            Thanks for the tip. I will try if lowering the PA level.

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            • hekH hek

              @Yveaux

              Would be great if you have some kind of idea . How/where did you mean I should flush?

              @Goppo
              Do you have the amplified radio version on you gateway? I'm suspecting a powering issue. In the cases where the sensor is shut down your gateway-radio will send a burst 15 messages. This could very well cause some issues if you get a voltage drop.

              YveauxY Offline
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              Yveaux
              Mod
              wrote on last edited by
              #9

              @hek said:

              Would be great if you have some kind of idea . How/where did you mean I should flush?

              On a failed transmit the message stays in the tx buffer iirr, have to look it up in the data sheet. If this is the case you have to explicitly clear the tx buffer. I'll come back to this; no time right now...

              http://yveaux.blogspot.nl

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              • hekH hek

                @Yveaux

                Would be great if you have some kind of idea . How/where did you mean I should flush?

                @Goppo
                Do you have the amplified radio version on you gateway? I'm suspecting a powering issue. In the cases where the sensor is shut down your gateway-radio will send a burst 15 messages. This could very well cause some issues if you get a voltage drop.

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                Yveaux
                Mod
                wrote on last edited by
                #10

                @hek Looked it up in the datasheet:

                If the TX FIFO (PRX) contains more than one payload to a PTX, payloads are handled using the first in –
                first out principle. The TX FIFO (PRX) is blocked if all pending payloads are addressed to a PTX where the
                link is lost. In this case, the MCU can flush the TX FIFO (PRX) by using the FLUSH_TX command.
                .....
                While executing the Auto Retransmit feature, the number of retransmits can reach the maximum number
                defined in ARC. If this happens, the nRF24L01+ asserts the MAX_RT IRQ and returns to standby-I mode.
                .....
                MAX_RT IRQ is asserted if the auto retransmit counter (ARC_CNT) exceeds the programmed maximum limit
                (ARC). In Figure 24. the packet transmission ends with a MAX_RT IRQ. The payload in TX FIFO is NOT
                removed and the MCU decides the next step in the protocol. A toggle of the CE starts a new transmitting
                sequence of the same packet. The payload can be removed from the TX FIFO using the FLUSH_TX command.

                The FIFO is 3 entries big, so 3 successive failed transmissions to the same destination will block the transmission.
                This FIFO needs to be flushed after a failed transmission (indicated by the MAX_RT IRQ) by executing the FLUSH_TX command.
                Add the following method to the NRF24 class:

                uint8_t RF24::flush_tx(void)
                {
                  return spiTrans( FLUSH_TX );
                }
                

                and when you're at it, please also add (used e.g. by the sniffer):

                uint8_t RF24::flush_rx(void)
                {
                  return spiTrans( FLUSH_RX );
                }
                

                This might very well be a very nasted bug bugging the 1.4 users...

                http://yveaux.blogspot.nl

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                • YveauxY Yveaux

                  @hek Looked it up in the datasheet:

                  If the TX FIFO (PRX) contains more than one payload to a PTX, payloads are handled using the first in –
                  first out principle. The TX FIFO (PRX) is blocked if all pending payloads are addressed to a PTX where the
                  link is lost. In this case, the MCU can flush the TX FIFO (PRX) by using the FLUSH_TX command.
                  .....
                  While executing the Auto Retransmit feature, the number of retransmits can reach the maximum number
                  defined in ARC. If this happens, the nRF24L01+ asserts the MAX_RT IRQ and returns to standby-I mode.
                  .....
                  MAX_RT IRQ is asserted if the auto retransmit counter (ARC_CNT) exceeds the programmed maximum limit
                  (ARC). In Figure 24. the packet transmission ends with a MAX_RT IRQ. The payload in TX FIFO is NOT
                  removed and the MCU decides the next step in the protocol. A toggle of the CE starts a new transmitting
                  sequence of the same packet. The payload can be removed from the TX FIFO using the FLUSH_TX command.

                  The FIFO is 3 entries big, so 3 successive failed transmissions to the same destination will block the transmission.
                  This FIFO needs to be flushed after a failed transmission (indicated by the MAX_RT IRQ) by executing the FLUSH_TX command.
                  Add the following method to the NRF24 class:

                  uint8_t RF24::flush_tx(void)
                  {
                    return spiTrans( FLUSH_TX );
                  }
                  

                  and when you're at it, please also add (used e.g. by the sniffer):

                  uint8_t RF24::flush_rx(void)
                  {
                    return spiTrans( FLUSH_RX );
                  }
                  

                  This might very well be a very nasted bug bugging the 1.4 users...

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                  hek
                  Admin
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                  #11

                  @Yveaux

                  Ohh.. interesting.

                  So are you saying we should flush_tx after every failed send? Or only after 3 consecutive send-fails to the same address?

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                  • hekH hek

                    @Yveaux

                    Ohh.. interesting.

                    So are you saying we should flush_tx after every failed send? Or only after 3 consecutive send-fails to the same address?

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                    Yveaux
                    Mod
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #12

                    @hek after every failed send.

                    http://yveaux.blogspot.nl

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                    • YveauxY Yveaux

                      @hek after every failed send.

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                      hek
                      Admin
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #13

                      @Yveaux

                      Can you make some tests perhaps? And create a pull req with the changes in RF24 and MySensor.cpp if you see any improvements?

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                      • hekH hek

                        @Yveaux

                        Can you make some tests perhaps? And create a pull req with the changes in RF24 and MySensor.cpp if you see any improvements?

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                        Yveaux
                        Mod
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #14

                        @hek will take some time but I'll see what I can do. I'll get back with some data.

                        http://yveaux.blogspot.nl

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                        • YveauxY Yveaux

                          @hek will take some time but I'll see what I can do. I'll get back with some data.

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                          hek
                          Admin
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #15

                          @Yveaux

                          Take your time. We don't have any deadlines or bosses hanging over the shoulder here :smile:

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                          • hekH hek

                            @Yveaux

                            Take your time. We don't have any deadlines or bosses hanging over the shoulder here :smile:

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                            Yveaux
                            Mod
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #16

                            @hek true, but I have a gut feeling some troubles reported on this forum lately could be related to this. Furthermore I've seen strange repeated messages on air, but didn't investigate yet...

                            http://yveaux.blogspot.nl

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                            • YveauxY Yveaux

                              @hek true, but I have a gut feeling some troubles reported on this forum lately could be related to this. Furthermore I've seen strange repeated messages on air, but didn't investigate yet...

                              hekH Offline
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                              hek
                              Admin
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #17

                              @Yveaux

                              One shouldn't underestimate a gut feeling. They are often proven to be right.

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                              • hekH hek

                                @Yveaux

                                One shouldn't underestimate a gut feeling. They are often proven to be right.

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                                Yveaux
                                Mod
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #18

                                @hek Ok, gut feeling was wrong this time ;-)
                                Buried deep inside the nRF24 driver (RF24::write) is standard flush when transmission fails:

                                //Max retries exceeded
                                if( status & _BV(MAX_RT)){
                                  flush_tx(); //Only going to be 1 packet int the FIFO at a time using this method, so just flush
                                  return 0;
                                }
                                

                                http://yveaux.blogspot.nl

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                                • YveauxY Yveaux

                                  @hek Ok, gut feeling was wrong this time ;-)
                                  Buried deep inside the nRF24 driver (RF24::write) is standard flush when transmission fails:

                                  //Max retries exceeded
                                  if( status & _BV(MAX_RT)){
                                    flush_tx(); //Only going to be 1 packet int the FIFO at a time using this method, so just flush
                                    return 0;
                                  }
                                  
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                                  hek
                                  Admin
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #19

                                  @Yveaux

                                  Ohh.. nice digging anyway.

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