Over the air updates

[ToSa]

@Damme
interesting setup :+1:
to make it work with non-static addressed nodes you should probably keep the destination set to GATEWAY_ADDRESS for the REQUEST_ID call and only change afterwards.

Never mind - looking at the line number you mentioned that's probably what you did :)

[Damme]

@ToSa Now I remember why I changed some things in there. (broadcast to gateway)

From the beginning I had problem getting it to talk with the GW. It only sends out
<- 255,255,255,2,3,7,255, and gets no response, The GW tries to send but fails. (wierd..) (I dont have any relay nodes)

This is with no modifications at all.

0;0;3;0;9;read: 255-255-255 s=255,c=3,t=7,pt=0,l=0:
0;0;3;0;9;send: 0-0-255-255 s=255,c=3,t=8,pt=1,l=1,st=fail:0
0;0;3;0;9;read: 255-255-255 s=255,c=3,t=7,pt=0,l=0:
0;0;3;0;9;send: 0-0-255-255 s=255,c=3,t=8,pt=1,l=1,st=fail:0
other packages send out works just fine.. (To other nodes)

and the OTA bootloader can receive other packages
Go
<- 255,255,255,2,3,7,255,
-> 23,23,0,42,225,1,11,205,204,90,66,1,
<- 255,255,255,2,3,7,255,
<- 255,255,255,2,3,7,255,
<- 255,255,255,2,3,7,255,

(from a temp / hum node)

Any ideas how to fix this?

[Damme]

@ToSa I finally figured out why my OTA bootloader didn't read any answers from my GW (Both on I_FIND_PARENT and I_ID_REQUEST) - The answers came to quick! First I tried hardcode a delay 125ms on the GW and it worked, so I changed the code on send write to the following and now all messages arrive. Been testing it for a couple of reboots now. I'm using 5v (at 3.3v) and 16MHz
edit; noticed it misses packages sometimes now but not close to 100% like before, more like 5% now. I'llinvestigate futher then I'm trying to upload data.

  static uint8_t sendAndWait(uint8_t reqType, uint8_t resType) {
  	msg.type = reqType;
  	for (uint8_t i = 0; i < 10; i++) {
  		sendWrite(msg);
  		for (uint8_t j = 0; j < 20; j++) {
  			for (uint8_t j = 0; j < 100; j++) {
  				uint8_t pipe;
  				boolean avail = available(&pipe);
  				wdt_reset();
  				if (avail && pipe<=6) {
  					read(rmsg.array,pipe);
  					if(!(mGetVersion(rmsg) == PROTOCOL_VERSION))
  						continue;
  					if (rmsg.destination == nc.nodeId) {
  						if (mGetCommand(rmsg) == C_INTERNAL) {
  							if (rmsg.type == I_FIND_PARENT_RESPONSE) {
  								if (rmsg.data[0] < nc.distance - 1) {
  									nc.distance = rmsg.data[0] + 1;
  									nc.parentNodeId = rmsg.sender;
  									eeprom_write_byte((uint8_t*)EEPROM_PARENT_NODE_ID_ADDRESS, nc.parentNodeId);
  									eeprom_write_byte((uint8_t*)EEPROM_DISTANCE_ADDRESS, nc.distance);
  								}
  							}
  						}
  						if ((mGetCommand(rmsg) == mGetCommand(msg)) && (rmsg.type == resType))
  							return 1;
  					}
  				}
  				delaym(1);
  			}
  		}
  	}
  	return 0;
  }

[Damme]

I had to put my project in the trash bin.. There is not enough RAM in the atmega328 to fit mysensors and SD-lib :) Tried 3 different versions..Too bad..! I could only transmit one package before SRAM got overrunned.

[Yveaux]

@Damme Now do you get why I abandoned the MQTT implementation on the ATMega itself? ;-)

[Zeph]

@Damme said:

I had to put my project in the trash bin.. There is not enough RAM in the atmega328 to fit mysensors and SD-lib :) Tried 3 different versions..Too bad..! I could only transmit one package before SRAM got overrunned.

If you want to stay with the AVR:

ATMega1284 based: http://lowpowerlab.com/moteino/#whatisitMEGA $20+shipping. This can add a RF69* radio, but you could instead (or also) attach a nRF24L01+

ATMega2560 based: http://www.ebay.com/itm/121391548557 $15 shipped This has even more lines broken out than the Arduino Mega2560. (If you don't mind the larger form, Arduino Mega2560 clones start under $14 shipped).

Or you can switch to an embedded ARM system. Teensy 3.1 for $17+ship. STM32F103 board on eBay for $7. DUE clone on eBay for $18. STM Nucleo from distributors for $11+ship (eMed programmed).

And of course you can use the Raspberry Pi or BeagleBone Black with a faster but power hungry ARM running Linux.

[ToSa]

@Damme said:

I had to put my project in the trash bin.. There is not enough RAM in the atmega328 to fit mysensors and SD-lib :) Tried 3 different versions..Too bad..! I could only transmit one package before SRAM got overrunned.

Did you try not using MySensors but the reduced nRF24 driver version I used for the bootloader itself? If the node does not need to do routing and is expected to only respond to one or two types of messages, that might be an option and is definitely smaller...

[gregl]

Hi @ToSa

Do you know if your OTA Bootloader uses more flash mem on the atmega328 vs the Optiboot bootloader?

I have a sketch which needs Optiboot to fit and really hoping i can one day use your cool OTA stuff.

Looking at your github it seems MyOtaBootloader.hex is 9.36k whereas Optiboot v5,0a the optiboot_atmega328.hex is 1.418k ( but there is also a optiboot_atmega328.lst file at 19.778k - I dont know enough to know if this is part of the bootloader or if its just the source???)

Cheers,
Greg

[Zeph]

OptiBoot fits in 1/2 KiB (the binary on-chip size, not the hex file).
The OTA Bootloader is obviously larger. If you are using close to 31.5KiB on an ATMega328p, it won't fit with any bootloader larger than OptiBoot.
.
Make sure you use the latest compiler - 1.5.7 seems to squeeze harder (smaller binary), and I presume 1.0.6 (which has also been upgraded to a newer compiler) will also do so.

How big does the compiler say your sketch is, at the end of a compile?

[gregl]

@Zeph said:

use the latest compiler - 1.5.7 seems to squeeze harder (smaller binary), and I presume 1.0.6 (which has also been upgraded to a newer compiler) will also do so.

How big does the compiler say your sketch is, at the end of a compile?

I'll check when i get home tonight.

Very interesting about the new compiler. I'm pretty sure im using 1.0.5-r2, and i've recently begun using Atmel studio with Visual Micro addon - just soooo much better when dealing with long sketches!!!

Cheers,
Greg

[ToSa]

@gregl the fuses determine how much space is reserved for the bootloader. I don't have the datasheet at hand but I think it varies from .5k to 4k. Optiboot is one of the smallest out there and the OTA bootloader consumes the full space because it needt to includs the (shrinked) wireless driver.

[Zeph]

I think the OTA bootloader which does not rely on any extra memory is a great option!

And I think the option of having external flash may work out well too. Sending an image to be written to SPI flash might not expand the application code as much (it already has the library). Then the bootloader just has to copy from SPI to application flash. I'm thinking that might make for a smaller total footprint, since there would be no need to fit 2 nRF libraries in the 32KiB flash - a trimmed down nRF library in the boot section plus the full nRF library in application section.

Of course, if the application gets hosed, you would not be able to do OTA bootloading and would have to physically access the node to recover, but if it's a matter of fitting or not fitting into FLASH, that might be a risk one is willing to take.

[marceltrapman]

@Zeph said:

Sending an image to be written to SPI flash might not expand the application code as much (it already has the library).

Because I am sure that Flash memory will come in handy sooner or later I have added the Winbond W25X40 to the first version of my board already :).

[tekka]

just managed to optimize the OTA bootloader to under 2k - 2k more for sketches with OTA.

[ToSa]

@tekka
That sounds great! Can you post your code (or share a pull request)? This would either allow us to free up the remaining space or to add encryption :)
The only neck-breaker would be if any of the size reduction increases the risk for a bricked node that needs manual intervention (e.g. reset / power cycle etc.).

[tbowmo]

what is the current status of the OTA firmware updates? Is external flash necessary at all? Is someone working on it?

Right now I am trying to get DualOptiboot from lowpowerlabs.com to work with my board, and an external flash / eeprom. But was wondering if it would be used at all.

Then when I got the bootloader working, I need to test firmware updates, but the road is still long and windy to get there (at the moment, only have 1 hour here, and there, to work on the hardware)

[tekka]

@tbowmo
Did some work on the OTA bootloader: combined optiboot (for uploads via IDE / avrdude) + OTA bootloader with some major modifications. Current version is stable and works for regular OTA updates :)

I will post the source once I find some spare time to clean and comment it.

[klim]

hi, is your work on ota based on internal o external flash?

[tekka]

@tbowmo
internal: FW streaming via controller

[tbowmo]

@tekka

I have been thinking about OTA the last couple of days, while trying to get DualOptiboot working (using external SPI flash). If program directly, then the firmware needs to be send in a ordered way by the controler, in order for the bootloader to get things done.. What if a single package is missed?

What if we have 100 nodes, that all needs software update at the same time? Is the system able to handle that?

A part of me says, go with the direct method (that is, skipping external SPI flash) for my minimized module, but then again.. I realy want to have the added "security" of having an external flash, where I can download to, and only when checksums are correct, then I can issue a "Reload software command" to the node.

In theory, I could send the software to 100 nodes, and then when they all are ready, broadcast an "restart node" to all the affected nodes.. (future plans I know..)

Just my thoughts rambling around in my head :)