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💬 Building a wired RS485 sensor network

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  • gohanG gohan

    @boozz

    I said it's better because in terms of stability and reliability you can't beat cable and I also added that if he can use a cable to go with it otherwise wireless it's still an option, but as you said it takes time and trial and error to make good use of those nrf24 especially for the reason that there are lots of clones on the market that behave slightly differently from one another and thus adding more complexity to the project.
    In addition once you have a cable you can also use it for power.
    Of course cable is not the universal solution for all the problems, but if I had to choose between a wired or wireless security system I'd choose wired and if I would need to have a temperature sensor that reports data every now and then I'd go most likely wireless

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    boozz
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    @gohan
    My reaction was only based on your last post in this tread :relaxed:, I totally agree with you on the wired security system where wireless is not an option.

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      @boozz
      how detect a fake radio with a original radio ?

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      @Reza
      There are many options for detecting fake radio's. For me it works best to test them in a node that has a good working radio attached (preferrably far as far away from its parent node as possible) and exchange it with the suspected fake one.

      There's also a thread in this forum that describes a method to test the quality of nrf24L01+ connections. It's a quality meter. I know for sure you can find this one using the search function.

      By the way; about the wiring distance between a node and gateway: the fastest way to get an answer is to get multiple answers on such questions is using an universal search engine: www.google.com

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        @Reza
        There are many options for detecting fake radio's. For me it works best to test them in a node that has a good working radio attached (preferrably far as far away from its parent node as possible) and exchange it with the suspected fake one.

        There's also a thread in this forum that describes a method to test the quality of nrf24L01+ connections. It's a quality meter. I know for sure you can find this one using the search function.

        By the way; about the wiring distance between a node and gateway: the fastest way to get an answer is to get multiple answers on such questions is using an universal search engine: www.google.com

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        gohan
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        @boozz
        What are the codes on the NRF24 chip of the modules you consider being the best performing?

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          @gohan

          There is no easy way of telling by looking at it.

          https://forum.mysensors.org/topic/1664/which-are-the-best-nrf24l01-modules

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            Reza
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            for wiring , is this true ?
            rs485...............arduino
            vcc......................5v
            gnd....................gnd
            DI.........................9
            DE........................2
            RE.......................10
            R0........................8

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              for wiring , is this true ?
              rs485...............arduino
              vcc......................5v
              gnd....................gnd
              DI.........................9
              DE........................2
              RE.......................10
              R0........................8

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              kimot
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              @Reza

              DI and DO depends on your board type.
              Look at AltSoftSerial_Boards.h
              DE and RE should be connected together and connected to pin,
              which is defined in your program:
              #define MY_RS485_DE_PIN 2

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                for wiring , is this true ?
                rs485...............arduino
                vcc......................5v
                gnd....................gnd
                DI.........................9
                DE........................2
                RE.......................10
                R0........................8

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                kimot
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                #63

                @Reza
                http://cmss.pl/arduino/MySensor_RS485_test02_b.JPG

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                  @Reza

                  DI and DO depends on your board type.
                  Look at AltSoftSerial_Boards.h
                  DE and RE should be connected together and connected to pin,
                  which is defined in your program:
                  #define MY_RS485_DE_PIN 2

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                  Reza
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                  #64

                  @kimot thank you friend :rose:

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                    @Reza
                    http://cmss.pl/arduino/MySensor_RS485_test02_b.JPG

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                    Reza
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                    @kimot
                    for a raspberry pi gateway this wiring is true ?
                    0_1485417941637_RS485_Serial_Module_Wiring.png

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                    • R Reza

                      @kimot
                      for a raspberry pi gateway this wiring is true ?
                      0_1485417941637_RS485_Serial_Module_Wiring.png

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                      wimd
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                      @Reza No. You need to have your gateway inbetween. Your controller can't "talk" directly with you MySensors network. Wee the picture from kimot.

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                      • wimdW wimd

                        @Reza No. You need to have your gateway inbetween. Your controller can't "talk" directly with you MySensors network. Wee the picture from kimot.

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                        gohan
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                        #67

                        @wimd
                        actually RPI can act as gateway https://www.mysensors.org/build/raspberry , but I agree that's much easier to have an Arduino as a gateway

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                        • wimdW wimd

                          @Reza No. You need to have your gateway inbetween. Your controller can't "talk" directly with you MySensors network. Wee the picture from kimot.

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                          @wimd we can build a gateway with raspberrypi without arduino . @gohan saying true . but i have to use gpio for serial gateway because when i use a usb serial port after turn on/off or reboot raspberry can not detect my gateway... but with gpio i test and this is true, so i have to use gpio for gateway

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                            Reza
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                            if i use rs485 for my network , can solve problems about signaling and distance and wall? and solve problem about NACK ?

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                              @wimd we can build a gateway with raspberrypi without arduino . @gohan saying true . but i have to use gpio for serial gateway because when i use a usb serial port after turn on/off or reboot raspberry can not detect my gateway... but with gpio i test and this is true, so i have to use gpio for gateway

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                              kimot
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                              #70

                              @Reza
                              Maybe your problem and its solution with "serial-through USB" connection on Raspberry is described here:

                              https://g0kao.wordpress.com/2013/08/08/usb-port-assignment-on-a-raspberry-pi/

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                                @Reza
                                Maybe your problem and its solution with "serial-through USB" connection on Raspberry is described here:

                                https://g0kao.wordpress.com/2013/08/08/usb-port-assignment-on-a-raspberry-pi/

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                                kimot
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                                @kimot
                                I am not sure, that Raspberry can work like RS485 gateway for MySensors RS485 network.
                                On a "quick" look through code, I do not find anything for RS485.

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                                • R Reza

                                  @wimd we can build a gateway with raspberrypi without arduino . @gohan saying true . but i have to use gpio for serial gateway because when i use a usb serial port after turn on/off or reboot raspberry can not detect my gateway... but with gpio i test and this is true, so i have to use gpio for gateway

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                                  gohan
                                  Mod
                                  wrote on last edited by
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                                  @Reza
                                  Maybe it is worth a try and get a W5100 network shield and make an ethernet gateway. I have one now and so far I'm happy with it.

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                                    Reza
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                                    thank you friends

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                                      Reza
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                                      @kimot @gohan do you use a wired network with rs485 ? i have problem with rf24 and i want change my wireless network to a wiring network , but i want know with a rs485 all command are send? without error and NACK ? now for wireless network i have for example every 5 true commands 1 fail command(NACK)

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                                        @kimot @gohan do you use a wired network with rs485 ? i have problem with rf24 and i want change my wireless network to a wiring network , but i want know with a rs485 all command are send? without error and NACK ? now for wireless network i have for example every 5 true commands 1 fail command(NACK)

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                                        gohan
                                        Mod
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                                        #75

                                        @Reza
                                        not yet, but I am getting the parts to make a wired rs485 network of 4 nodes + gateway. About the NACK error it should be handled by the library and retransmit the lost packet.

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                                          pjr
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                                          Currently there is no "hw" ack functionlity like the radio has.
                                          You can check out the rs485 transmit code from here.

                                          But you can of course use the ack functionality between controller software and node to make sure message will get to destination.

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