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  • axillentA axillent

    software side is of the sensor is as important for the long run as a hardware side
    In my assumption if all will be done correctly the average current sourced from the battery will be about 200mkA
    this is in assumption of using one sensor for measurement each 1 minute and sending radio for each measurement
    for 1A * H battery (should be common for alkaline AAA) it is about 5000 hours or 208 days.
    discounting this we should have stable 6 months run time

    but only real practice will give us real figures. We plan to have a test run as soon as prototypes will be ready.

    also this board is have an optional solar power as a second power
    with solar power attached battery life can be increased by 30-50%

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    @axillent I've noticed solar power pins:) This would be great for outdoor sensors. I think that when suitable solar panel will be used our sensor could work almost without changing battery. Ofcourse until battery really need to be replaced because of phisical damage.

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      filiphag
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      @axillent
      What chip are you using as step-up from the singel cell battery source.

      Looks like The pcb antenna of The nrf module is located in The midle of the pcb. Have you tried out The RF range in that placement?

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        Dennis van Velzen
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        Nice PCB design...

        Suggested boards:

        • 4 PWM logic FETs (dimming RGB W LED strips, 12V lights) Some FETs are easily capable of doing 8 amps and have almost no excess heat.
        • 230V AC triac dimmer module (200w that fits in a EU wall box) EU net frequency.
        • 0-10V input module (that fits behind a 0-10V dimmer in a wall box. Round max 60mm, thick approx. 15mm) power from 230VAC line.
        • 0-10V output module.
        • 1..4 channel opto input 3-250v module.
        • 1..2 channel solid state relay module.

        Can add nice usable parts, example schema's later... main goal good/better cheap(er) open source products!

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          Being able to buy something like this that is "all in one" will be great for us newbies! A more accurate temperature sensor would be ideal and worth the extra dollar!

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          • T Tommy Sharp

            Being able to buy something like this that is "all in one" will be great for us newbies! A more accurate temperature sensor would be ideal and worth the extra dollar!

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            axillent
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            #14

            @Tommy-Sharp "all in one" is one of our goal while working on the project boards

            Thanks all for ideas. We plan to have several project specific boards.
            First one will be the battery operated board designed for wireless sensors.
            Bellow is updated picture, should look better now.
            Sensor will be the digital one with precision 0.5C or better and very low power consumption

            Should we seriously support 5V from battery? For many applications 3.3V are sufficient and it will consume much less power from the battery.

            Relays, dimmers, SSRs will be managed by another board.

            mysensors.battery.jpg

            sense and drive

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            • axillentA axillent

              We are going to have a set of Mysensors PCB for different purposes. The first one will be powered from a single AAA alkaline battery and will also have MCP9700 on board
              Regardless DevDuino it will have radio on board and will have some more benefits

              It is a good time now before the production to change something. There is no problem to install a precise and low power I2C temperature sensor on board.
              But are you ready to pay $1-1.5 more for the board to get ± 0.5 ° C precision instead of ± 2 ° C?

              upload-a46c5328-e11f-4d7e-9c71-023a19fc4806.jpg

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              clippermiami
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              @axillent How is this project coming along? Looking forward to a standardized PCB version.

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              • clippermiamiC clippermiami

                @axillent How is this project coming along? Looking forward to a standardized PCB version.

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                axillent
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                @clippermiami we are currently in discussion with possible partners, we discussing production of the PCB and assembled PCB
                in parallel I'm doing a prototyping of the battery operated board
                Battery operated board will came first, later we plan to release a set of stackable boards ready be used for switching, dimming and integration behind a wall switch

                sense and drive

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                • axillentA axillent

                  @clippermiami we are currently in discussion with possible partners, we discussing production of the PCB and assembled PCB
                  in parallel I'm doing a prototyping of the battery operated board
                  Battery operated board will came first, later we plan to release a set of stackable boards ready be used for switching, dimming and integration behind a wall switch

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                  @axillent LOOKING forward to it, a nice PCB makes a good clean project.

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                  • axillentA axillent

                    @clippermiami we are currently in discussion with possible partners, we discussing production of the PCB and assembled PCB
                    in parallel I'm doing a prototyping of the battery operated board
                    Battery operated board will came first, later we plan to release a set of stackable boards ready be used for switching, dimming and integration behind a wall switch

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                    BulldogLowell
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                    @axillent said:

                    @clippermiami we are currently in discussion with possible partners, we discussing production of the PCB and assembled PCB
                    in parallel I'm doing a prototyping of the battery operated board
                    Battery operated board will came first, later we plan to release a set of stackable boards ready be used for switching, dimming and integration behind a wall switch

                    North American wall switch?:ballot_box_with_check:

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                    • BulldogLowellB BulldogLowell

                      @axillent said:

                      @clippermiami we are currently in discussion with possible partners, we discussing production of the PCB and assembled PCB
                      in parallel I'm doing a prototyping of the battery operated board
                      Battery operated board will came first, later we plan to release a set of stackable boards ready be used for switching, dimming and integration behind a wall switch

                      North American wall switch?:ballot_box_with_check:

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                      @BulldogLowell from electrical side it is a clear plan to be universal between 110/220V 60/50Hz etc. to support both US and EU standard
                      from the form factor point of view I have a view to EU standard but not US.. Hopefully we can be universal too but I will need your input on this.
                      Even I'm not sure what is "North American" stands for :) is it common for US only or for Canada too?

                      While for battery board the design is almost 95% clear the wall board is still under discussion.
                      Most likely it will be stackable form factor with universal MCU -board and many different power&switch&dimm sub-boards
                      All feel free to provide your inputs, to share ideas or wishes.

                      sense and drive

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                      • axillentA axillent

                        @BulldogLowell from electrical side it is a clear plan to be universal between 110/220V 60/50Hz etc. to support both US and EU standard
                        from the form factor point of view I have a view to EU standard but not US.. Hopefully we can be universal too but I will need your input on this.
                        Even I'm not sure what is "North American" stands for :) is it common for US only or for Canada too?

                        While for battery board the design is almost 95% clear the wall board is still under discussion.
                        Most likely it will be stackable form factor with universal MCU -board and many different power&switch&dimm sub-boards
                        All feel free to provide your inputs, to share ideas or wishes.

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                        clippermiami
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                        @axillent North American standard is common to both US and Canada.

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                        • clippermiamiC clippermiami

                          @axillent North American standard is common to both US and Canada.

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                          axillent
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                          @clippermiami what can be the maximum acceptable form factor?

                          sense and drive

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                          • axillentA axillent

                            @clippermiami what can be the maximum acceptable form factor?

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                            clippermiami
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                            @axillent From my recent experience the Jasco/GE switches are about the biggest thing you can got in a North American wall box and even that can be a challenge. Depending on the number of circuits that come into the box and the number of connections (wire nuts, or whatever you use for the connections) can create quite a bit of congestion in the box. It can sometimes be a challenge to fit even the Jasco switch :-)

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                              Malx
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                              Basic sensors that you are using for logging and alarm are ok. However, when starting with power/switch/dimm, then security starting to be a big issue. (Also when using the sensors to control something)
                              I hope this boards will be sold with a big warning on that point.
                              (I'm not negative to mysensors and using those myself, why would I else be here :). I'm just not a fan of people seeing this as a complete HA solution)

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