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  • NeverDieN Offline
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    NeverDie
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    wrote on last edited by NeverDie
    #3

    @alexsh1

    The range and coverage, as you would guess, is fantastic.

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    • alexsh1A alexsh1

      @neverdie Did make any tests on range, power, etc?
      How do you envisage using it in home automation?
      The only Lora GW (LoraWAN for TTN) I have tinkered was Hallard's one:

      https://github.com/hallard/WeMos-Lora

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      wrote on last edited by NeverDie
      #4

      @alexsh1
      Hallard's is more like my earlier LoRa shield, except of course with more bells and whistles. This new shield is different, in that it required a separate MCU (the atmega328p in this case) to handle the LoRa radio while the ESP8266 D1 Mini runs ESP-LINK, which is what allows the D1 Mini to perform as an untethered gateway.

      Hmmm. Come to think of it, if ESP-LINK ran on an ESP32, then I suppose I wouldn't need the atmega328p. Perhaps one core of the ESP32 could run ESP-LINK and the other could manage the LoRa. I should look into that.... Up until just now, I hadn't really seen a reason to use an ESP32 for anything, let alone this.

      Anyhow, the purpose of it is, like all gateways, to communicate with nodes and relay information via Domoticz and/or Node Red. For instance, I have leak detectors based on LoRa which need to be managed:
      https://www.openhardware.io/view/534/Extremely-Simple-Arduino-Pro-Mini-LoRa-Water-Leak-Detector

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      • NeverDieN Offline
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        By the way, ESP-LINK comes with a built-in MQTT Client.

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        • alexsh1A Offline
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          #6

          OK, excellent. I have not tried lora coverage myself (apart from single channel GW for TTN). In fact I did not even built one for my home automation. I think the best usage of it are things like remote location sensors. I know a guy who is utilising lora for HAB (High Altitude Ballooning) projects - http://www.daveakerman.com/

          I am trying to think about where at home I can utilise one, but so far RFM69 is covering everything for me. Having said that, your GW is a simple and minimalist one and I can probably build one just to tinker.

          PS BTW, water leak sensors - I have a couple of z-wave sensors. They were not DIY, but the advantage is that they just work and look very nice.

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          • R Offline
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            #7

            Hi,
            Seems a great project !
            Can you clarify the difference with your previous minimalist gateway : the new one is linked to Domoticz controller through wifi, but how was the minimalist linked to controller ? Wasnt'it already through wifi ? Or do you mean this new approach enhances the wifi connectivity by using ESP-Link ? (to be frank, I don't really understand what makes ESP-Link so good, as I never investigated it)

            br,
            Ricorico94

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            • R ricorico94

              Hi,
              Seems a great project !
              Can you clarify the difference with your previous minimalist gateway : the new one is linked to Domoticz controller through wifi, but how was the minimalist linked to controller ? Wasnt'it already through wifi ? Or do you mean this new approach enhances the wifi connectivity by using ESP-Link ? (to be frank, I don't really understand what makes ESP-Link so good, as I never investigated it)

              br,
              Ricorico94

              NeverDieN Offline
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              NeverDie
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              #8

              @ricorico94 The main difference is that the newer project can use ESP-LINK on the ESP8266, whereas the first one can't. However, you are correct: with the right programming both can use wi-fi

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              • NeverDieN Offline
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                wrote on last edited by
                #9

                Also, I've confirmed that ESP-LINK doesn't run on the ESP32, so the only way to use it is with an ESP8266 plus an additional MCU, which is what this newer version enables.

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                • R Offline
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                  #10

                  I think I could understand the wiring thanks to your other projects (the shield for ESP-link on Wemos D1 mini), but I'd appreciate if you could clarify it -just to make sure since I see the 90° connector on picture is not like the one in your shield)
                  Could you detail also the SW/scripts and settings you use ?
                  Thanks,
                  Ricorico94

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                  • R ricorico94

                    I think I could understand the wiring thanks to your other projects (the shield for ESP-link on Wemos D1 mini), but I'd appreciate if you could clarify it -just to make sure since I see the 90° connector on picture is not like the one in your shield)
                    Could you detail also the SW/scripts and settings you use ?
                    Thanks,
                    Ricorico94

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                    #11

                    @ricorico94
                    To overcome the overhang, I've since put everything onto a single shield for the ESP8266 D1 Mini:
                    0_1522936040252_LoRa Gateway v4_top.png
                    0_1522936050583_LoRa Gateway v4_bottom.png

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                    • NeverDieN Offline
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                      Of course, another way to handle the overhang would be to make it overhang in the opposite direction, where the overhang wouldn't matter:
                      https://www.openhardware.io/view/273/ESP-LINK-ESP8266-WeMos-D1-Mini-Adapter-Board
                      That would work too.

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                        #13

                        This is even one step further as I understand you get rid of the sandwich Arduino pro mini by soldering directly an ATMEGA328p. It makes the overall setup much more dense indeed. Congratulations !

                        Could you share the details on software (scripts..) you used for the whole setup ?
                        I'm also interested in settings you use, because based on another thread, I had seen that some settings for RFM95 had an impact on error rates.

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                        • R ricorico94

                          This is even one step further as I understand you get rid of the sandwich Arduino pro mini by soldering directly an ATMEGA328p. It makes the overall setup much more dense indeed. Congratulations !

                          Could you share the details on software (scripts..) you used for the whole setup ?
                          I'm also interested in settings you use, because based on another thread, I had seen that some settings for RFM95 had an impact on error rates.

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                          NeverDie
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                          wrote on last edited by NeverDie
                          #14

                          @ricorico94 said in LoRa Gateway:

                          software (scripts..) you used for the whole setup ?

                          Nothing meaningful to share as yet. I'm using RadioHead to verify that the hardware works as intended.

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                            Currently priced at $3.01 per module with free shipping:
                            https://www.aliexpress.com/item/LoRa-Series-Ra-01-Spread-Spectrum-Wireless-Module-Ultra-10KM-433M-RF-Chip-SX1278/32799821469.html?spm=a2g0s.13010208.99999999.262.rCAs4B
                            https://www.aliexpress.com/item/LoRa-Series-Ra-02-Spread-Spectrum-Wireless-Module-Ultra-10KM-433M-RF-Chip-SX1278/32799769669.html?spm=a2g0s.13010208.99999999.265.rCAs4B

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                              Epilog: the fully integrated ESP-LINK LoRa gateway has no antenna overhang and is working fine. :)
                              0_1524335325809_unified_LoRa_gateway.jpg

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                                #17

                                Cool.

                                Have you seen these?
                                https://nl.aliexpress.com/item/RCmall-2-Sets-partij-LoRa32u4-II-Lora-Development-Board-Module-LiPo-Atmega328-SX1276-HPD13-868-MHZ/32832789857.html

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                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #18

                                  Hadn't seen it. I'm lately of the mind that it's better to have everything (including sensors) integrated onto a single board.

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